Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
Op 18/02/2011 4:08, Randy Katz schreef: Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! Since I have come to know many on this list are quite savvy how are you all backing up your personal workstations? The ones that have 2-5GB data and are not at the same location as your servers and are not on public ip space for one reason or another. Currently I have been using a client software I am not sure I like to do full/diffs to a user account on one of my main servers which gets backed up in the cycle. I am not sure this is the best I can do, any feedback much appreciated, thanks. Regards, Randy Hey We're using backuppc at work to backup everyone's workstations. Mainly due to the ease with which individual users can manage their own backups and can handle restores themselves. Nice dedup when using rsync too, but works just as well with regular (samba/windows) shares, and it doesn't really need too much resources to run on. Using it at home for the same reasons. It only works for backup to disk/shares though. :) Kind regards, Jeremy DISCLAIMER http://www.schaubroeck.be/maildisclaimer.htm -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
On 18/02/11 03:08, Randy Katz wrote: Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! It's not off topic at all. There have been a number of discussions and approaches to trying to keep clients backed up, especially laptops. Backuppc works, but backing the resulting fileserver tree up to tape is problematic as it's constantly updating files (mtime or hardlink counts) which otherwise wouldn't need to be hit. A coherent approach to this issue is really needed. It's been on my mind for some time as I have a large stack of windows desktops and laptops which need attention - especially laptops as they get dropped or stolen far more often than any other kind of machine. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
On 2/18/2011 6:05 AM, Alan Brown wrote: On 18/02/11 03:08, Randy Katz wrote: Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! It's not off topic at all. There have been a number of discussions and approaches to trying to keep clients backed up, especially laptops. Backuppc works, but backing the resulting fileserver tree up to tape is problematic as it's constantly updating files (mtime or hardlink counts) which otherwise wouldn't need to be hit. A coherent approach to this issue is really needed. It's been on my mind for some time as I have a large stack of windows desktops and laptops which need attention - especially laptops as they get dropped or stolen far more often than any other kind of machine. I deal with Windows and Mac laptops. Some users are out of country for weeks. Some do quite a bit of work from a home office. The key is letting go of the idea that you can backup these machines as you would a server or even local LAN workstation. It just is not possible. I currently use a two-factor backup strategy for these machines, along with user policy/education. The latter is the difficult part, though most of my users hold PhDs. -- Factor 1 -- Run daily incrementals and weekly virtual fulls. The incrementals fail often due to the laptop being unavailable. The virtual fulls perpetuate a full backup that can be used to restore a broken, lost, or stolen laptop to at least some reasonably usable state. When available and time permits, I run a manual full. -- Factor 2 -- Provide users with network shares where they should keep their critical files. These of course get backed up with the file server. Access to the network shares is via VPN. Users can either copy files to their laptop or work directly with the file on the share, depending on connectivity, but they realize that the safe copy is always the one on the network share. This has worked out fairly well. The users are happy not to have to rely so much on the files on their laptop. I am less worried about data loss. Basically, I feel that the best way to deal with laptops is to treat them, as far as possible, as dumb terminals that are likely to break or go missing at any moment. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
-Original Message- From: Randy Katz [mailto:rk...@simplicityhosting.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:08 PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! Since I have come to know many on this list are quite savvy how are you all backing up your personal workstations? The ones that have 2-5GB data and are not at the same location as your servers and are not on public ip space for one reason or another. Currently I have been using a client software I am not sure I like to do full/diffs to a user account on one of my main servers which gets backed up in the cycle. I am not sure this is the best I can do, any feedback much appreciated, thanks. After seeing a presentation on it, I'm preparing to evaluate CrashPlan Pro for my site. It has features I want; namely that it does a continuous backup, and it uses a rsync like protocol so that only the changed portions of a file get transferred. Thus, load on any computer is light once the entire laptop is backed up. It backs files up into files which are 4 GB, so that seems amendable to tape backup. The software was designed for laptops, so all that is needed is for a computer to have some sort of network connection, and then it is able to push changes onto the server. This means that laptop users just carry their laptop around, and behind the scenes they are always being backed up. Craig -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
On 2/18/2011 12:36 PM, Dupree, Craig wrote: -Original Message- From: Randy Katz [mailto:rk...@simplicityhosting.com] Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2011 9:08 PM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! Since I have come to know many on this list are quite savvy how are you all backing up your personal workstations? The ones that have 2-5GB data and are not at the same location as your servers and are not on public ip space for one reason or another. Currently I have been using a client software I am not sure I like to do full/diffs to a user account on one of my main servers which gets backed up in the cycle. I am not sure this is the best I can do, any feedback much appreciated, thanks. After seeing a presentation on it, I'm preparing to evaluate CrashPlan Pro for my site. It has features I want; namely that it does a continuous backup, and it uses a rsync like protocol so that only the changed portions of a file get transferred. Thus, load on any computer is light once the entire laptop is backed up. It backs files up into files which are 4 GB, so that seems amendable to tape backup. The software was designed for laptops, so all that is needed is for a computer to have some sort of network connection, and then it is able to push changes onto the server. This means that laptop users just carry their laptop around, and behind the scenes they are always being backed up. Thanks Craig, fyi rsync backs up complete files that have changed, not portions of files, to the best of my knowledge. Regards, Randy -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
On 19/02/11 00:30, Randy Katz wrote: Thanks Craig, fyi rsync backs up complete files that have changed, not portions of files, to the best of my knowledge. Your knowledge is wrong. Please read the man page. -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! Since I have come to know many on this list are quite savvy how are you all backing up your personal workstations? The ones that have 2-5GB data and are not at the same location as your servers and are not on public ip space for one reason or another. Currently I have been using a client software I am not sure I like to do full/diffs to a user account on one of my main servers which gets backed up in the cycle. I am not sure this is the best I can do, any feedback much appreciated, thanks. Regards, Randy -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Off topic: Backing up Client Workstations
Il 18/02/2011 04:08, Randy Katz ha scritto: Hi, This is clearly off topic so flame away if need be! Since I have come to know many on this list are quite savvy how are you all backing up your personal workstations? The ones that have 2-5GB data and are not at the same location as your servers and are not on public ip space for one reason or another. Currently I have been using a client software I am not sure I like to do full/diffs to a user account on one of my main servers which gets backed up in the cycle. I am not sure this is the best I can do, any feedback much appreciated, thanks. Regards, Randy -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Hi, I'm not one of the savvy, but I've read some days ago a thread in this ml's archives about backing up a remote Windows client using bacula. Remote meaning its internet connection was not stable enough to handle the whole backup job traffic. The solution proposed was to mirror the client with rsync and use bacula to backup the rsync'd client image. HTH -- Marcello Romani -- The ultimate all-in-one performance toolkit: Intel(R) Parallel Studio XE: Pinpoint memory and threading errors before they happen. Find and fix more than 250 security defects in the development cycle. Locate bottlenecks in serial and parallel code that limit performance. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-dev2devfeb ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
