Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-30 Thread Kern Sibbald

  
  



On 10/30/2017 04:04 PM, Steven Hammond
  wrote:


  
  We are currently using LTO-5 but hope to upgrade to LTO-6/7 in
the future.  We are also looking at backing up to a remote site
(tapes are currently taken off site).  Possibly to a cloud
storage.
  
  Steven Hammond
  P.S. Autochanger would be great but I doubt management would go
for the price (ha).
  


The price for a decent used autochanger is about half the price of
one employee for one month, which is peanuts for almost any
business. 


   
  
  On 10/30/2017 9:30 AM, Johannes
Becker wrote:
  
  

  I am using LTO4 in a Dell autochanger.
  
  
  Johannes

  Am 30.10.2017 11:12 vorm. schrieb
"Juergen Averbeck" :

  I am using a single LTO3 and consider
updating to LTO5 within the next year.
  

  Am 30.10.2017 10:44
schrieb "Adam Weremczuk" :
Hi Alan,
  
  I'm only using LTO-4 with Bacula.
  
  This device to be precise:
  
  https://www.terapeak.com/worth/quantum-lto-4-tc-l42bn-tf4200-011-800-1600gb-ultrium-lto-4-sas-external-black/142217605799/
  
  Considering an upgrade to LTO-6 or 7 some time
  next year.
  
  Thanks
  Adam
  
  
  On 21/10/2017 15:32, Alan Brown wrote:
   Straw poll
time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what
(not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch
tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot
or changer device?


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are
you using?


4:  For the robot users: What are you using?
(number of drives / number
of slots)




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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-30 Thread Steven Hammond
We are currently using LTO-5 but hope to upgrade to LTO-6/7 in the 
future.  We are also looking at backing up to a remote site (tapes are 
currently taken off site).  Possibly to a cloud storage.


Steven Hammond

P.S. Autochanger would be great but I doubt management would go for the 
price (ha).



On 10/30/2017 9:30 AM, Johannes Becker wrote:

I am using LTO4 in a Dell autochanger.

Johannes

Am 30.10.2017 11:12 vorm. schrieb "Juergen Averbeck" 
mailto:juergen.averb...@gmail.com>>:


I am using a single LTO3 and consider updating to LTO5 within the
next year.

Am 30.10.2017 10:44 schrieb "Adam Weremczuk"
mailto:ad...@matrixscience.com>>:

Hi Alan,

I'm only using LTO-4 with Bacula.

This device to be precise:


https://www.terapeak.com/worth/quantum-lto-4-tc-l42bn-tf4200-011-800-1600gb-ultrium-lto-4-sas-external-black/142217605799/



Considering an upgrade to LTO-6 or 7 some time next year.

Thanks
Adam


On 21/10/2017 15:32, Alan Brown wrote:

Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not
historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm)
formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?


4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of
drives / number
of slots)





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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-30 Thread Johannes Becker
I am using LTO4 in a Dell autochanger.

Johannes

Am 30.10.2017 11:12 vorm. schrieb "Juergen Averbeck" <
juergen.averb...@gmail.com>:

I am using a single LTO3 and consider updating to LTO5 within the next year.

Am 30.10.2017 10:44 schrieb "Adam Weremczuk" :

> Hi Alan,
>
> I'm only using LTO-4 with Bacula.
>
> This device to be precise:
>
> https://www.terapeak.com/worth/quantum-lto-4-tc-l42bn-tf4200
> -011-800-1600gb-ultrium-lto-4-sas-external-black/142217605799/
>
> Considering an upgrade to LTO-6 or 7 some time next year.
>
> Thanks
> Adam
>
>
> On 21/10/2017 15:32, Alan Brown wrote:
>
>> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
>>
>>
>> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
>> if so, what are you using?
>>
>>
>> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
>>
>>
>> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
>>
>>
>> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
>> of slots)
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-30 Thread Juergen Averbeck
I am using a single LTO3 and consider updating to LTO5 within the next year.

Am 30.10.2017 10:44 schrieb "Adam Weremczuk" :

> Hi Alan,
>
> I'm only using LTO-4 with Bacula.
>
> This device to be precise:
>
> https://www.terapeak.com/worth/quantum-lto-4-tc-l42bn-tf4200
> -011-800-1600gb-ultrium-lto-4-sas-external-black/142217605799/
>
> Considering an upgrade to LTO-6 or 7 some time next year.
>
> Thanks
> Adam
>
>
> On 21/10/2017 15:32, Alan Brown wrote:
>
>> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
>>
>>
>> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
>> if so, what are you using?
>>
>>
>> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
>>
>>
>> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
>>
>>
>> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
>> of slots)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-30 Thread Adam Weremczuk

Hi Alan,

I'm only using LTO-4 with Bacula.

This device to be precise:

https://www.terapeak.com/worth/quantum-lto-4-tc-l42bn-tf4200-011-800-1600gb-ultrium-lto-4-sas-external-black/142217605799/

Considering an upgrade to LTO-6 or 7 some time next year.

Thanks
Adam


On 21/10/2017 15:32, Alan Brown wrote:

Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?


4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)




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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-25 Thread Steve Garcia


 Alan Brown  wrote: 
> 
Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?

We are using half inch tape.


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?

We are using a Dell TL2000 library, which is a re-branded IBM 3573-TL.

3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?

We have been using LTO3 under Bacula for almost 10 years.  I have a brand new 
LTO6 drive that so far I have not been able to get Bacula to work with.  btape 
is happy with it, bacula instantly fails.

4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)

The working library is a 24 slot library with one drive.  The almost working 
library is also a TL2000 with 24 slots and an IBM ULT3580-HH6 drive.



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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-24 Thread Clark, Patti
Answers below.

Patti Clark
Sr. Linux System Administrator
Oak Ridge National Laboratory

On 10/21/17, 10:54 AM, "Alan Brown"  wrote:


Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?
Using.

2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
Using.

3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
 LTO-5   

4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)
 Spectralogic T950, 2 virtual partitions, 10 drives.




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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-23 Thread Ivan Adzhubey
Hi Alan,

On Saturday, October 21, 2017 10:32:16 AM EDT Alan Brown wrote:
> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
> 
> 
> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
> 
> 
> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
> if so, what are you using?

Used to be using 2 x Sony AIT-5 drives (8 mm AIT cassettes) in a Qualstar 
RLS-4445 autochanger (45 slots; LVD SCSI connection). The system was retired 
early this year due to a mechanical failure of the autochanger. Drives are 
still operational and can be used to read old tapes, we have several hundred 
of them.

> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?

Using.

> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?

Ultrium LTO-5 Fujifilm tape cartridges.

> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
> of slots)

Qualstar TLS-8466 autochanger with 2 x IBM LTO-5 ULTRIUM-HH5 SAS drives and 66 
regular slots, plus one private internal slot. Autochanger control connection 
is LVD SCSI. Bacula version 7.4.7.


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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-23 Thread Bill Arlofski

Just to chime in here: I have one customer using a Quantum Superloader3 with
16 slots and 1 LTO7 drive.  Currently using Bacula community version 7.4.0.
Zero problems.

Best regards,

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-23 Thread Mattinson David
On three separate networks I have
TandbergData (I think they are NEOs now) T24 with 2 SAS LTO-5 drives
TandbergData StorageLoader with LTO-5 drive
Quantum LTO-3 standalone drive (obviously a lot less on that one)

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-22 Thread Dimitri Maziuk

On 2017-10-22 07:16, Heitor Faria wrote:

Just in time: now I'm performing a bscan of the following equipment

since it looks like a former admin had a "Taxi Driver" day and deleted
several environments.


- IBM 3573, with two LTO5 drives, 24 slots.

PS: I think only lazy Dimitri still has old smaller tapes. =P


- 4 45-gal (?) plastic storage totes full of DLT tapes. Most likely 
unreadable because of
- 2 external DLT SCSI drives that will most likely not spin up if 
powered on.


- 2 Quastar AIT 10+2-tape jukeboxes: one with AIT-2 drive, one with IIRC 
AIT-5. Connected to a SunBlade-150. Were operational when last turned on 
a year or three ago.

- 3 or 4 45-gal (?) plastic storage totes full of AIT tapes.

2 dual-controller SAS shelves, one full of dual-ported 8TB HDDs, one 
with 9 8TB HDDs and 3 SSDs for ZFS ZIL and L2ARC, connected to 2 hosts 
running ZFS in HA failover setup, for 99TB RAID'ed highly available 
storage expandable with no downtime for less that an LTO jukebox. Not 
using tapes -- priceless.


Dimitri

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-22 Thread Can Şirin

Hi,


Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


Using.


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?


Using.


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?


LTO4 and LTO5


4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)


IBM TS3584 Tape Library with approximately 600 slots and 8 LTO4 drives  
and 2 LTO5 drives.


And, it works with Bacula.


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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-22 Thread Heitor Faria
Just in time: now I'm performing a bscan of the following equipment since it 
looks like a former admin had a "Taxi Driver" day and deleted several 
environments.

- IBM 3573, with two LTO5 drives, 24 slots.

PS: I think only lazy Dimitri still has old smaller tapes. =P

Regards,

- Original Message -
> From: "Heitor Faria" 
> To: "Alan Brown" 
> Cc: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2017 9:42:28 AM
> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

>> Hello Alan
> 
> Hello, Alan,
> 
>>> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
>>>
>>>
>>> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
>>>
>>>
>>> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
>>> if so, what are you using?
>> I am using LTO -- I assume that is half inch tape but am not sure.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
>> I am using an autochanger.
>>>
>>>
>>> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
>> LTO-5
>>>
>>>
>>> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
>>> of slots)
>> Storage Tek SL24 -- one drive.   Originally an LTO-4 drive but I removed
>> the drive and replaced it with a reconditioned LTO-5.
> 
> I support organizations today with the following equipment:
> 
> StorageTek Sl x with 12 LTO 6 drives and approximately y slots (New Telecom
> customer to be deployed. I might return information later if you really want
> it).
> StorageTek Sl 500 with four LTO4 drives and approximately 240 slots (Army 
> Unity
> of Brazil).
> Dell TL-2000 with two LTO5 drive and 24 slots (DATACOM GPON, Switch, and other
> network equipment manufacturer).
> Dell TL-2000 with two LTO5 drive and 24 slots (North Minas Federal Insitute).
> Dell TL-2000 with one LTO4 drive and 24 slots (UNESP Medicine University).
> Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Lagoa Santa City Hall).
> Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Airforce Traffic Control
> Department).
> Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Acre Court of Accounts) - iSCSI
> Bridge
> Dell Tl-1000 with one LTO4 drive and 8 slots (ESAMC University).
> Single LTO5 Drive (Shopping Center).
> Single LTO4 RAck-mountable Drive (Farroupilha Federal Institute).
> 
> As you see, Dell is the most used equipment. I estimate only 20% of my 
> customers
> only use disk-based solutions.
> According to Google Trends, Brazil is one of the 3 countries where Bacula is
> more popular than every other backup software, including proprietary software
> with tons of marketing funding (Veeam, Netbackup, ARCserve, Commvault). If you
> make an online form of these questions I would be glad to ask people from our
> community to fill it.
> 
>> Best regards,
> 
> Regards,
> 
>> Kern
>> 
> 
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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-22 Thread Heitor Faria
> Hello Alan

Hello, Alan,

>> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
>>
>>
>> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
>>
>>
>> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
>> if so, what are you using?
> I am using LTO -- I assume that is half inch tape but am not sure.
>>
>>
>> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
> I am using an autochanger.
>>
>>
>> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
> LTO-5
>>
>>
>> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
>> of slots)
> Storage Tek SL24 -- one drive.   Originally an LTO-4 drive but I removed
> the drive and replaced it with a reconditioned LTO-5.

I support organizations today with the following equipment:

StorageTek Sl x with 12 LTO 6 drives and approximately y slots (New Telecom 
customer to be deployed. I might return information later if you really want 
it).
StorageTek Sl 500 with four LTO4 drives and approximately 240 slots (Army Unity 
of Brazil). 
Dell TL-2000 with two LTO5 drive and 24 slots (DATACOM GPON, Switch, and other 
network equipment manufacturer).
Dell TL-2000 with two LTO5 drive and 24 slots (North Minas Federal Insitute).
Dell TL-2000 with one LTO4 drive and 24 slots (UNESP Medicine University).
Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Lagoa Santa City Hall).
Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Airforce Traffic Control 
Department).
Dell TL-2000 with two LTO4 drive and 24 slots (Acre Court of Accounts) - iSCSI 
Bridge
Dell Tl-1000 with one LTO4 drive and 8 slots (ESAMC University).
Single LTO5 Drive (Shopping Center).
Single LTO4 RAck-mountable Drive (Farroupilha Federal Institute).
 
As you see, Dell is the most used equipment. I estimate only 20% of my 
customers only use disk-based solutions.
According to Google Trends, Brazil is one of the 3 countries where Bacula is 
more popular than every other backup software, including proprietary software 
with tons of marketing funding (Veeam, Netbackup, ARCserve, Commvault). If you 
make an online form of these questions I would be glad to ask people from our 
community to fill it.

> Best regards,

Regards,

> Kern
> 

Regards,

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-22 Thread Kern Sibbald

Hello Alan


On 10/21/2017 04:32 PM, Alan Brown wrote:

Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?

I am using LTO -- I assume that is half inch tape but am not sure.



2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?

I am using an autochanger.



3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?

LTO-5



4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)
Storage Tek SL24 -- one drive.   Originally an LTO-4 drive but I removed 
the drive and replaced it with a reconditioned LTO-5.


Thanks for your inquiry -- I will be very interested in the results.

Best regards,
Kern

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread Gary R. Schmidt

On 22/10/2017 01:32, Alan Brown wrote:


Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems



HP 1/8 LTO-6 FC Autoloader.

8 slots, 1 drive, and using Fibre-channel connects.

Runs like a screaming meemy without needing such fripperies as SSD spool 
disks or vast amounts of RAM.  On a now elderly Fujitsu TX-150 with 8Gb 
of RAM running Solaris 10.  (Being moved to an RX-300 with 72Gb running 
Solaris 11.3 over the next few months.)


Cheers,
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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread Andrew Ryder
Just a TS2240 tape drive. No changer or robots.

On 10/21/2017 10:32 AM, Alan Brown wrote:
> 
> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
> 
> 
> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
> 
> 
> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
> if so, what are you using?
> 
> 
> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
> 
> 
> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
> 
> 
> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
> of slots)
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread Dan Langille
> On Oct 21, 2017, at 10:32 AM, Alan Brown  wrote:
> 
> 
> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
> 
> 
> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
> 
> 
> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
> if so, what are you using?

To answer, I had to look that up.  I know it covers LTO, DLT and SDT.

> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?

I have one external DLT 7000 tape drive, kept in reserve.

> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?

DLT IV - 292 tapes, kept for archive, will start disposal sometime.
SDLT - 166 tapes

 (The above: not writing any new tapes, these are scheduled for disposal)

LTO 4 - 45 tapes

> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
> of slots)

Digital DLT MiniLibrary (Model DS-TL891-NE) 
http://www.freebsddiary.org/digital-tl891.php 
10 slots - one DLT 7000, perhaps 
two. I have a few spare DLT 7000 drives here

Compaq Storage Works MSL5026 Library
one SDLT tape drive: COMPAQ SuperDLT1 with 2 magazines for 30 slots (I think).

Dell PowerVault TL4000 - two LTO4 drives with 4 magazines for 48 slots

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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread C M Reinehr
1.    I am NOT using a tape-based system, half-inch or otherwise. 
Nightly backups are written to hard disk drives and then copied to a 
cloud drive.


2. Likewise, I am NOT using a robot or changer.


On 10/21/2017 09:32 AM, Alan Brown wrote:

Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?


4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)




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Re: [Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread Phil Stracchino
On 10/21/17 10:32, Alan Brown wrote:
> Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems
> 
> I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)
> 
> 1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
> if so, what are you using?
> 2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?
> 3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?
> 4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
> of slots)

I think I can answer all of those with one statement:  I am using a
single stand-alone external LTO4 drive.


I can't realistically justify the cost of a newer drive or a robot.  But
honestly, I'd prefer to get away from tape altogether, for reasons
including noise, media lifecycle, and environmental sensitivity.


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[Bacula-users] TAPE backups

2017-10-21 Thread Alan Brown

Straw poll time for people using tape-based systems


I'd like to know who is currently using what (not historical usage)


1:   Who on this list is NOT using half inch tape (12.7mm) formats(*) -
if so, what are you using?


2:   Who on this list is NOT using a robot or changer device?


3:  For the half inch tape formats, what are you using?


4:  For the robot users: What are you using? (number of drives / number
of slots)




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