Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 7, 2008, at 4:02 AM, Tilman Schmidt wrote: > On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:14:08 -0500, Dan Langille wrote: >> On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Tilman Schmidt wrote: >> >>> Am 05.11.2008 22:03 schrieb Dan Langille: - Bacula has known how to use the current tape that is a drive for a long time now. It is discouraged, but just a matter of configuration. >>> >>> I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. >>> I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways >>> to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why >>> my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post >>> config", "post log", and then: silence. >> >> What can I say? I'm not responsible for people not answering. >> Nor is anybody else. That's how it works. Or more precisely, >> doesn't. > > Sure. I'm not complaining about that. Sorry if my answer came > across as such. But the fact that nobody could come up with an > answer might indicate that the answer doesn't exist. Or more simply, it could mean that the people who know have not answered. :) >>> And if it is discouraged, what is the recommended alternative? >> >> Work with Bacula, not against it. I don't know what more to say. > > Sure, and I'm trying my best to do exactly that. But the topic > of this thread is desirable new features for Bacula, ie. things > that currently cannot be done but would be nice if they could. Well, for what it's worth: that seems to be how people have interpreted it. The intention of this thread was "what new feature in the upcoming release are you waiting for?". My first sentence in the first post was: 'With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for?" But no worries. The thread is good. :) -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi, > Synthetic full backups or consolidation. A feature that is in the > development queue and could (in my opinion) be one of the major new > things in a 3.1 release, i.e. perhaps next year. > > To learn more, search the bacula-devel list archive for subjects > containing "Synthetic" or "Consolidation" - you'll find that, if > someone invests money or programmer's time, this project could be started. What kind of funding are we talking about here? Erik. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Thu, 6 Nov 2008 22:14:08 -0500, Dan Langille wrote: > On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Tilman Schmidt wrote: > >> Am 05.11.2008 22:03 schrieb Dan Langille: >>> - Bacula has known how to use the current tape that is a drive for a >>> long time >>> now. It is discouraged, but just a matter of configuration. >> >> I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. >> I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways >> to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why >> my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post >> config", "post log", and then: silence. > > What can I say? I'm not responsible for people not answering. > Nor is anybody else. That's how it works. Or more precisely, > doesn't. Sure. I'm not complaining about that. Sorry if my answer came across as such. But the fact that nobody could come up with an answer might indicate that the answer doesn't exist. >> And if it is discouraged, what is the recommended alternative? > > Work with Bacula, not against it. I don't know what more to say. Sure, and I'm trying my best to do exactly that. But the topic of this thread is desirable new features for Bacula, ie. things that currently cannot be done but would be nice if they could. For me, better support for the classic scenario "standalone tape drive with daytime operator and nighttime backups" does fall into that category, and surely the existence of unanswerable questions in that area seems to indicate that there is indeed room for improvement. Again, I do not want to complain. Bacula is a great product, and the support from the Bacula community is better than the company support of many commercial products I have used. All I want to do with my contributions to this thread is to help making Bacula even better. If the community decides that my scenario lies outside the main target area of Bacula then that's fine with me. Thanks, Tilman -- Tilman Schmidt Phoenix Software GmbH Bonn, Germany signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 6, 2008, at 10:55 PM, John Drescher wrote: >>> I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. >>> I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways >>> to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why >>> my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post >>> config", "post log", and then: silence. >> >> What can I say? I'm not responsible for people not answering. >> Nor is anybody else. That's how it works. Or more precisely, >> doesn't. >> > I can say I try to get involved in as many of these type of questions > as I can handle. The biggest reasons after asking for a config or log > and then silence from me is I do not see anything that is obvious, I > have not experienced that myself (in the 4 to 5 years I have used > bacula) and I do not specifically remember a conversation on the list > that is similar and had a solution. Sometimes in this case I post the > question to the developers but this depends on a lot of factors. One > being that I do have a day job that is in no way affiliated with > bacula. Exactly. We are all volunteers where. Helping out, when, and if, we can. We do this in our *spare* time. Sometimes I know the answer and don't answer because I know it's a pretty simple question that anyone can answer. This encourages new people to get involved with answering. If something is very hard to do, perhaps the plan needs to be rethought. Technology is not always the answer to good manual procedures. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
>> I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. >> I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways >> to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why >> my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post >> config", "post log", and then: silence. > > What can I say? I'm not responsible for people not answering. > Nor is anybody else. That's how it works. Or more precisely, > doesn't. > I can say I try to get involved in as many of these type of questions as I can handle. The biggest reasons after asking for a config or log and then silence from me is I do not see anything that is obvious, I have not experienced that myself (in the 4 to 5 years I have used bacula) and I do not specifically remember a conversation on the list that is similar and had a solution. Sometimes in this case I post the question to the developers but this depends on a lot of factors. One being that I do have a day job that is in no way affiliated with bacula. With that said, I will be pretty silent next week being that I am going to the Rivera Maya on Saturday to soak up a week of sun just before winter hits us here in Pittsburgh. John - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 6, 2008, at 5:23 AM, Tilman Schmidt wrote: > Am 05.11.2008 22:03 schrieb Dan Langille: >> - Bacula has known how to use the current tape that is a drive for a >> long time >> now. It is discouraged, but just a matter of configuration. > > I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. > I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways > to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why > my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post > config", "post log", and then: silence. What can I say? I'm not responsible for people not answering. Nor is anybody else. That's how it works. Or more precisely, doesn't. > Surely if it really was just a matter of configuration then > somebody should know how to actually configure it? I don't. I'm repeating what I was told > And if it is discouraged, what is the recommended alternative? Work with Bacula, not against it. I don't know what more to say. If the software can't work within the boundaries you are setting, adjust your boundaries. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi, 06.11.2008 17:34, Erik Logtenberg wrote: > I would very much like to see the possibility to make only incremental > backups, no more full backups required. > > The main point is to (dramatically) decrease the needed bandwidth, which > makes the difference between being able or not to use Bacula for > relatively large storage devices on relatively slow internet connections > (with relatively few changes/day), like almost all of my backup targets. Synthetic full backups or consolidation. A feature that is in the development queue and could (in my opinion) be one of the major new things in a 3.1 release, i.e. perhaps next year. To learn more, search the bacula-devel list archive for subjects containing "Synthetic" or "Consolidation" - you'll find that, if someone invests money or programmer's time, this project could be started. > Ofcourse Bacula can do this if you simply never cycle the original Full > Backup and retain *all* incremental backups since the beginning, but > this is not what I mean. This is, also, usually not what you want unless you use "accurate" backups, available in the current development version (because a normal incremental backup doesn't know about moved or renamed files). Arno > I mean sort of like rsnapshot does (using the > --link-dest option of rsync). That way you need only incremental > backups, but you end up with essentially a collection of full backups. > Backups that are even extremely disk space efficient. And you can delete > as many of them as you like, without harming the other copies. > > So why not simply use rsnapshot then, if that's so perfect? Well, it > isn't that perfect. Bacula has some great advantages with regards to > scheduling, reporting, the separation of sd, fd, dir and console, > filesets, etc. So implementing a "--link-dest" kind of feature in > Bacula, *that* would be perfect :) > > I saw some discussion on this topic about one month ago, between Eli > Shemer and Dan Langille, but I haven't heard a follow-up since. > Nevertheless if something like this could be built, it would make me > very happy :) > > Kind regards, > > Erik. -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück www.its-lehmann.de - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
I would very much like to see the possibility to make only incremental backups, no more full backups required. The main point is to (dramatically) decrease the needed bandwidth, which makes the difference between being able or not to use Bacula for relatively large storage devices on relatively slow internet connections (with relatively few changes/day), like almost all of my backup targets. Ofcourse Bacula can do this if you simply never cycle the original Full Backup and retain *all* incremental backups since the beginning, but this is not what I mean. I mean sort of like rsnapshot does (using the --link-dest option of rsync). That way you need only incremental backups, but you end up with essentially a collection of full backups. Backups that are even extremely disk space efficient. And you can delete as many of them as you like, without harming the other copies. So why not simply use rsnapshot then, if that's so perfect? Well, it isn't that perfect. Bacula has some great advantages with regards to scheduling, reporting, the separation of sd, fd, dir and console, filesets, etc. So implementing a "--link-dest" kind of feature in Bacula, *that* would be perfect :) I saw some discussion on this topic about one month ago, between Eli Shemer and Dan Langille, but I haven't heard a follow-up since. Nevertheless if something like this could be built, it would make me very happy :) Kind regards, Erik. Dan Langille schreef: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > > Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape > today, but I was busy: > > > Running Jobs: > JobId Level Name Status > == > 22833 Fullwocker.2008-11-02_05.55.47 is waiting for a mount request > 22834 Fullbast_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.48 is waiting execution > 22835 Fullbast_home.2008-11-02_05.55.49 is waiting execution > 22836 Fullpolo_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.50 is waiting execution > 22837 Fullpolo.2008-11-02_05.55.51 is waiting execution > 22838 Fullngaio_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.52 is waiting execution > 22839 Fullngaio.2008-11-02_05.55.53 is waiting execution > 22840 Fullmacbook.2008-11-02_05.55.54 is waiting execution > 22841 Fullnyi.2008-11-02_05.55.55 is waiting execution > 22842 Fullnebula.2008-11-02_05.55.56 is waiting execution > 22843 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_06.00.57 is waiting execution > 22844 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_08.00.58 is waiting execution > 22845 Fullsupernews.2008-11-02_08.15.59 is waiting execution > 22846 Fulllatens_basic.2008-11-02_08.15.00 is waiting execution > 22847 Fulllatens_home.2008-11-02_08.15.01 is waiting execution > 22848 FullBackupCatalog.2008-11-02_08.15.02 is waiting execution > 22849 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_10.00.03 is waiting execution > 22850 Differe nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_12.01.04 is waiting execution > 22851 Fullnyi_maildir_tarball.2008-11-02_12.01.05 is waiting execution > 22852 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_16.00.16 is waiting execution > 22853 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_18.00.17 is waiting execution > 22854 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_20.00.18 is waiting execution > 22855 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_22.00.19 is waiting execution > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Doytchin Spiridonov schrieb: > By the way I am curious what percentage of users using Bacula are > aware of your experience. It is mentioned in the docs but I am sure > a lot of people miss that info. > > We also run a find script - this helps to remove the revived deleted > files after restore... The problem in my case was that the affected fs was almost full when it crashed. So there was no space left for the additional 20% deleted/moved/renamed files Ralf - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi, I'm writing as a Bacula Systems founder here. 06.11.2008 03:45, Dan Langille wrote: > On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Florian Heigl wrote: >> If Kern's "Bacula Inc." would release a real, professional guy that >> doesn't bloat my configs I'd pay for that any day. But bloating the >> configs just in case a good gui comes around? hell no! >> >> sorry to be that harsh, but in this case I rather speak up on time... >> florian > > > I think you meant GUI, not GUY. Easy typo. But AFAIK, Bacula Inc > is there to provide services, not code. We have absolutely no problem creating code. Sure, our main objective is providing service, but creating add-ony, plugins, new features, or whatever you want can also be a valuable service to some customers. Also, with Kern and Eric in the company, we're strongly involved in developing Bacula anyway, so you can expect some code (perhaps even code developed under a customer contract) from Bacula Systems anyway. > It's been stately quite clearly > that there will not be two code bases. That statement remains true - even if Bacula Systems develops core Bacula code under a customer contract, that code will be published with the regular Bacula sources. That's one of the conditions in all our development offerings. Things *might* be a bit different for add-ons, where restrictively licensed third-party code is included; we don't have such a situation yet, and I don't think we will see something like this soon (after all, even the windows FD is open-source), but I wouldn't say that *every* line of code Bacula Systems ever develops will be open source. Of course, that is no problem for add-ons that don't require linking to the Bacula core code, and with the upcoming plugin interfaces, it won't even be a problem for plugins - but there might be interesting plugins that can not be freely distributed. Again, I don't think we have such a situation in the near future. By the way - among the founders of Bacula Systems, there is no disagreement over these points. We all strongly believe in the open-source idea, and we all will do our best to keep Bacula completely open source, with no closed-source spinoff or dual licensing happening. That said, I wouldn't rule out Bacula Systems creating a commercial, closed source configuration tool - you just have to offer enough money ;-) (But such a configuration tool could also be created by anyone else - the configuration file structure and syntax is not exactly hard to understand, it's extensively documented, and I guess that both parsing an existing configuration and creating a GUI is not exactly rocket science. It just seems to be that, while everybody would like a nice configuration tool, noone wants it bad enough to actually do the work. Which tells us something about the acceptance of text configuration files...) Arno > -- Arno Lehmann IT-Service Lehmann Sandstr. 6, 49080 Osnabrück www.its-lehmann.de - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Am 05.11.2008 22:03 schrieb Dan Langille: > - Bacula has known how to use the current tape that is a drive for a > long time > now. It is discouraged, but just a matter of configuration. I'm sorry but I'm starting to have serious doubts about that. I have been trying for a long time and in many different ways to get that to work, and each time I ask a question here why my latest attempt doesn't work either, the answer is "post config", "post log", and then: silence. Surely if it really was just a matter of configuration then somebody should know how to actually configure it? And if it is discouraged, what is the recommended alternative? Thanks, -- Tilman Schmidt Phoenix Software GmbH Bonn, Germany signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan Langille wrote: > - Bacula supports different catalogs for different jobs (I think from > the very > beginning). My setup uses two different catalogs on the same server, > but you > can even use them on different servers. Dan, Any chance you could provide some config examples in another thread? I tried to set this up so I could have a separate catalog that for production backups vs. staff machines, but for whatever reason -- even when specifying a catalog for a job -- they seem to get crossed, or it will only use one of the catalogs (generally the wrong one). - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$&| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJEmrKmb+gadEcsb4RAt3iAKDjwNzMuf8dk3+bxJsPiLZ9eUuMvgCeL10+ 8/gHpNqqdRo61Rltwth+uXc= =qBv9 -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > I figured you had access to a search engine :) > > basically Augeas is a language for describing configuration files so > that they can be parsed into trees and manipulated uniformly. e.g., > you could run > > set /files/etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf/job/foobar-job1/schedule Monday1 > > or > > set /files/etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf/director/my-dir/maximumconcurrentjobs > 5 > > don't be mislead by /etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf -- Augeas will handle > recursively including other files, so this is just the filename of the > starting point. > > one nice feature is that it takes comments and whitespace seriously, > so comments are attached to configuration statements and will go away > if the statement is removed. (obviously, depending on comment style > it can't always do this 100% correctly, but it does its very best.) > Sounds a little like 'defaults' on MacOS, except I guess the backend for that is XML (binary at this point). - -- _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ |Y#| | | |\/| | \ |\ | | |Ryan Novosielski - Systems Programmer II |$&| |__| | | |__/ | \| _| |[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 973/972.0922 (2-0922) \__/ Univ. of Med. and Dent.|IST/AST - NJMS Medical Science Bldg - C630 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJEmoemb+gadEcsb4RAj8YAJ9LUdurUZItNyvAgLT2RZNaXG3fkQCgp6eS 3XkNdcgc6aqakfmCHj41E70= =hBB+ -END PGP SIGNATURE- begin:vcard fn:Ryan Novosielski n:Novosielski;Ryan org:UMDNJ;IST/AST adr;dom:MSB C630;;185 South Orange Avenue;Newark;NJ;07103 email;internet:[EMAIL PROTECTED] title:Systems Programmer II tel;work:(973) 972-0922 tel;fax:(973) 972-7412 tel;pager:(866) 20-UMDNJ x-mozilla-html:FALSE version:2.1 end:vcard - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Thu, 2008-11-06 at 22:23 +, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > Hi! > > I just don't get it: what is the problem that the web/desktop/whatever > front-end modify a plain text file? Because plain text doesn't look fancy enough, and doesn't sound complicated enough... ? > Now, I got another question (almost off-topic): I know some people, > like me, who actually hates XML, I mean, we understand it, we are able > to edit a xml file with no problem, but we just don't like it. > then why is there so many people using it? I particularly think it > is just too much "format", too many tags. It makes me remember when I > created web pages using vi. Hey now, there's nothing wrong with a well setup vi config! |<$:o) -- Cheers, Dagan McGregor Systems Administrator Landmark Technologies NZ Ltd - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
hi, 2008/11/6, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Florian Heigl wrote: >> >> If Kern's "Bacula Inc." would release a real, professional guy that >> doesn't bloat my configs I'd pay for that any day. But bloating the >> configs just in case a good gui comes around? hell no! >> >> sorry to be that harsh, but in this case I rather speak up on time... >> florian > > > I think you meant GUI, not GUY. Easy typo. But AFAIK, Bacula Inc > is there to provide services, not code. It's been stately quite clearly > that there will not be two code bases. yes! s/guy/gui/ - that was quite some typo, sorry about it. I'm quite sure the consulting will at some point include writing some code for higher demanding customers than us who have vi. but, anyway, it was just a random example to pick out kern here. hmmm, I was thinking of NetWorker where you have a standard admin gui and a costly addon operations gui. although I very rarely used that, it only excelled for restarting hundreds of jobs FAST after a crash. like someone else just posted - if the frontend can't read the bacula config, then i rather don't want to see the frontend. ;) bye -- 'Sie brauchen sich um Ihre Zukunft keine Gedanken zu machen' - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi! I just don't get it: what is the problem that the web/desktop/whatever front-end modify a plain text file? I mean, the current config file format is so easy, that I have been able to make some "windows-only" (by this I mean people who almost never had touched a command prompt) admins actually understand and use it. I'm sure that if I give them a XML config file, they will mess it up (or run away). So... why complicate the config format, if you can keep it simple?. Anyway, I know it is harder to code a config tool that handle plain-text config files, than a tool that understand xml (because of the *ready-to-use* libraries), but it is not so hard. As for the "database config": it is good, for say, a web application, but for a backup system: you *need* to make it work, maybe with almost no tools, in case of a disaster: if you have to setup a DB, and then reconfigure... it will take you longer (also you could have the bacula config files stored on a encrypted pen-drive, like I do, and just copy them really quickly). Now, I got another question (almost off-topic): I know some people, like me, who actually hates XML, I mean, we understand it, we are able to edit a xml file with no problem, but we just don't like it. then why is there so many people using it? I particularly think it is just too much "format", too many tags. It makes me remember when I created web pages using vi. c-ya! Ildefonso. On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 7:58 PM, James Harper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I agree. However, using an optional 'third-party' tool is quite > > acceptable to all. I refer here to Fruity and Nagios. The use > > of Fruity is optional. It produces plain text configuration files > > to be used by Nagios. That is the approach I would endorse > > for Bacula should anyone desire to code such a beast. > > > > Maybe a compromise would be to modify the 'include' statement so that > could include an normal bacula config file (as it is now), an xml file, > or from a database. If you were doing any of the latter two then your > main bacula.conf file would just contain a single include line. It might > also contain some bare essential config stuff so that the same config > could still be used for disaster recovery, but essentially everything > would be in your included data. Ok and then the configuration you made with the tool will be in a different format than the rest of the config file this is get the things even more obscure. > > That way we could all have the configuration mechanism we want without > it upsetting anyone else. We could also have any combination of the > above we wanted. > > I have never looked closely at the configuration code, but I believe > that the stuff that actually does the parsing is pretty well contained, > so I don't know that such a feature would be that intrusive. > > Kern: If someone submitted a patch to allow this would you consider > accepting it? (if not, the point is probably moot :) Is this something a > director plugin could accomplish? > > James > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 6:23 PM, Florian Heigl wrote: > > If Kern's "Bacula Inc." would release a real, professional guy that > doesn't bloat my configs I'd pay for that any day. But bloating the > configs just in case a good gui comes around? hell no! > > sorry to be that harsh, but in this case I rather speak up on time... > florian I think you meant GUI, not GUY. Easy typo. But AFAIK, Bacula Inc is there to provide services, not code. It's been stately quite clearly that there will not be two code bases. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 7:28 PM, James Harper wrote: >> >> I agree. However, using an optional 'third-party' tool is quite >> acceptable to all. I refer here to Fruity and Nagios. The use >> of Fruity is optional. It produces plain text configuration files >> to be used by Nagios. That is the approach I would endorse >> for Bacula should anyone desire to code such a beast. >> > > Maybe a compromise would be to modify the 'include' statement so that > could include an normal bacula config file (as it is now), an xml > file, > or from a database. If you were doing any of the latter two then your > main bacula.conf file would just contain a single include line. It > might > also contain some bare essential config stuff so that the same config > could still be used for disaster recovery, but essentially everything > would be in your included data. > > That way we could all have the configuration mechanism we want without > it upsetting anyone else. We could also have any combination of the > above we wanted. > > I have never looked closely at the configuration code, but I believe > that the stuff that actually does the parsing is pretty well > contained, > so I don't know that such a feature would be that intrusive. > > Kern: If someone submitted a patch to allow this would you consider > accepting it? (if not, the point is probably moot :) Is this > something a > director plugin could accomplish? Kern has made his position on clear text configuration files in the past. He is strongly in favour of them. I answer on this behalf because he is not on this list. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> > I agree. However, using an optional 'third-party' tool is quite > acceptable to all. I refer here to Fruity and Nagios. The use > of Fruity is optional. It produces plain text configuration files > to be used by Nagios. That is the approach I would endorse > for Bacula should anyone desire to code such a beast. > Maybe a compromise would be to modify the 'include' statement so that could include an normal bacula config file (as it is now), an xml file, or from a database. If you were doing any of the latter two then your main bacula.conf file would just contain a single include line. It might also contain some bare essential config stuff so that the same config could still be used for disaster recovery, but essentially everything would be in your included data. That way we could all have the configuration mechanism we want without it upsetting anyone else. We could also have any combination of the above we wanted. I have never looked closely at the configuration code, but I believe that the stuff that actually does the parsing is pretty well contained, so I don't know that such a feature would be that intrusive. Kern: If someone submitted a patch to allow this would you consider accepting it? (if not, the point is probably moot :) Is this something a director plugin could accomplish? James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Hemant Shah wrote: > I use/edit XML just about everyday and I do not find it difficult. > Converting current config to XML should be pretty easy. I don't find it difficult either, but that doesn't mean I like the idea at all; in fact I detest XML with a passion. And the admin that comes after me might not understand XML even a little bit. There are too many other things that need doing in bacula to spend time futzing with a part that works. I use bacula in more than one installation, and I can say right now that if the config files become XML only, even if there is a fancy tool to edit them, I will stop using bacula. No doubt there are many that will find this view unreasonable, but I can't help that. Steve Steve Thompson E-mail: smt AT vgersoft DOT com Voyager Software LLC Web: http://www DOT vgersoft DOT com 39 Smugglers Path VSW Support: support AT vgersoft DOT com Ithaca, NY 14850 "186,300 miles per second: it's not just a good idea, it's the law" - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
2008/11/5, Hemant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > --- On Thu, 11/6/08, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Cc: "John Drescher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" >> Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 AM >> On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Hemant Shah >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > >> > >> > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Drescher >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > >> > > From: John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are >> you waiting for? >> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Cc: "junior.listas" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Frank Sweetser" >> < >> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, >> "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" < >> > bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> >> > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:05 AM >> > > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose >> the >> > > problems specified in the above wiki, there are >> lots of >> > > tools to create/parse XML files tha could be >> useful. >> > > > >> > > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this >> will make >> > > it harder >> > > for me to edit the configuration files through >> ssh and to >> > > me any gui >> > > tools to edit the files will just get in the way >> being that >> > > I have 40+ >> > > clients and about 75 different jobs. >> > > >> > > John >> > >> > How would it be difficult to edit file through ssh? >> If you can edit the >> > current config file you can edit any text (XML) file. >> >> >> Nah, I don't like to edit XML files by hand. It is >> prone to errors. Just >> keep the config file format simple, it is easy to create a >> program that can >> parse the configuration format and let you edit it using a >> web or desktop >> interface, and it is even easier to edit/generate them >> using a perl script. >> > > > I use/edit XML just about everyday and I do not find it difficult. > Converting current config to XML should be pretty easy. Nowadays lots of web > applications (e.g. SOA) exclusively use XML, so, if someone wants to create > a web module to support XML there are lots of tools available. the bacula config is well defined, so it should be easy enough to access it the way it is. as long as the web frontend users won't stand next to the admins in the datacenter at midnight to hand edit a config that doesnt work in a d/r scenario we'll do really a lot better by some import/export layer that handles xml conversion, but like Dan said, the basis for baculas config should stay text based. Any frontend that can't deal with parsing the raw files shouldn't be considered trustworthy to edit them IMO. a prime example for this would be hand-fixing the heartbeat2 cluster resource database - 30KB+ of XML and sometimes the tools fail, leaving you to fix whatever config they left you with. Thanks no. There's so many ways to automatically generate the bacula configs (just look in contrib/) and I rather wait another 4 years for an enterprise-grade webfrontend that doesn't need XML to read predefined data and doesnt achieve more than for example a webmin module. If Kern's "Bacula Inc." would release a real, professional guy that doesn't bloat my configs I'd pay for that any day. But bloating the configs just in case a good gui comes around? hell no! sorry to be that harsh, but in this case I rather speak up on time... florian -- 'Sie brauchen sich um Ihre Zukunft keine Gedanken zu machen' - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 5:35 PM, Mark V wrote: > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, John Drescher wrote: >> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. >>> I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make it >>> harder >>> for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to me any gui >>> tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that I have >>> 40+ >>> clients and about 75 different jobs. >> >> I also strongly vote against this, for the same reasons. >> > > I'm strongly against XML config files. > > I'm also strongly against moving Bacula configuration details/data out > of simple text files, and further complicating configuration storage > or generation of a configuration file. I'm against this whether one > proposes the use of a DB, Augeas, Puppet or whatever the next > 'you-beaut-thing' is :) I agree. However, using an optional 'third-party' tool is quite acceptable to all. I refer here to Fruity and Nagios. The use of Fruity is optional. It produces plain text configuration files to be used by Nagios. That is the approach I would endorse for Bacula should anyone desire to code such a beast. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
--- On Thu, 11/6/08, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: "John Drescher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" > > Date: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 5:35 AM > On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Hemant Shah > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Drescher > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > From: John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are > you waiting for? > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Cc: "junior.listas" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Frank Sweetser" > < > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" < > > bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:05 AM > > > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose > the > > > problems specified in the above wiki, there are > lots of > > > tools to create/parse XML files tha could be > useful. > > > > > > > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this > will make > > > it harder > > > for me to edit the configuration files through > ssh and to > > > me any gui > > > tools to edit the files will just get in the way > being that > > > I have 40+ > > > clients and about 75 different jobs. > > > > > > John > > > > How would it be difficult to edit file through ssh? > If you can edit the > > current config file you can edit any text (XML) file. > > > Nah, I don't like to edit XML files by hand. It is > prone to errors. Just > keep the config file format simple, it is easy to create a > program that can > parse the configuration format and let you edit it using a > web or desktop > interface, and it is even easier to edit/generate them > using a perl script. > I use/edit XML just about everyday and I do not find it difficult. Converting current config to XML should be pretty easy. Nowadays lots of web applications (e.g. SOA) exclusively use XML, so, if someone wants to create a web module to support XML there are lots of tools available. > > > > > > > Users who like GUI tools can use GUI tools, users like > me who prefer vim > > can still edit files using vim or any other text > editor. > > > > > > Hemant Shah > > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > > - > > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > Developer's > > challenge > > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin > SDK & win great > > prizes > > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > anywhere in the world > > > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > > ___ > > Bacula-users mailing list > > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > > Hemant Shah E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 1:37 AM, Steve Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, John Drescher wrote: > >>> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in >>> the above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha >>> could be useful. >>> >> I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make it harder >> for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to me any gui >> tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that I have 40+ >> clients and about 75 different jobs. > > I also strongly vote against this, for the same reasons. > I'm strongly against XML config files. I'm also strongly against moving Bacula configuration details/data out of simple text files, and further complicating configuration storage or generation of a configuration file. I'm against this whether one proposes the use of a DB, Augeas, Puppet or whatever the next 'you-beaut-thing' is :) Mark > Steve > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
By the way I am curious what percentage of users using Bacula are aware of your experience. It is mentioned in the docs but I am sure a lot of people miss that info. We also run a find script - this helps to remove the revived deleted files after restore... Regards. Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 10:44:38 PM: RG> Doytchin Spiridonov schrieb: >> >> the no.1 item from the list here: >> >> http://www.bacula.org/en/?page=projects >> >> >> Item: 1 Accurate restoration of renamed/deleted files RG> That's the most important new feature I'm looking forward to. I RG> recently was hit by a filesystem corruption and had to restore 7 TB RG> of data. The restore required the last full (4 weeks ago), 1 diff and RG> all 5 incremental daily backups. In the end the restored filesystem RG> was 20% larger than before (duplicates, renamed files, deleted files). RG> I run a simple find script as ClientRunBefore Job, but this doesn't RG> help that much. RG> Ralf RG> - RG> This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge RG> Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes RG> Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world RG> http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ RG> ___ RG> Bacula-users mailing list RG> Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net RG> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille wrote: > - From the beginning Bacula works with multiple volumes in a given > directory. > This is well documented in the Pool example chapter where I describe > setting > up an automated system using three different pools. > I'm not sure if this is in response to an earlier feature request from me, or something else. I would like to see an enhancement here. As it is, this does not map very well to rotating multiple hard disks on a weekly basis, because volumes map to files - but you can't take individual files off site for rotation the way you can with tapes. The Pool example in the documentation doesn't solve that problem, because all Full backups always end up in the same pool (and thus same directory on the same hard disk). Or am I missing something? - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
These points were passed to me off list. They address some points raised elsewhere in this thread. - Bacula has known how to use the current tape that is a drive for a long time now. It is discouraged, but just a matter of configuration. - XML for configuration. No, for the reasons that are pointed out by the prior thread mentioned by Frank. - Configuration data in the database. Anyone that wants that can do it today. Bacula will always read from a text file though, so that it can be easily setup in a disaster situation when the database may not exist. - Bacula supports different catalogs for different jobs (I think from the very beginning). My setup uses two different catalogs on the same server, but you can even use them on different servers. - From the beginning Bacula works with multiple volumes in a given directory. This is well documented in the Pool example chapter where I describe setting up an automated system using three different pools. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Doytchin Spiridonov schrieb: > > the no.1 item from the list here: > > http://www.bacula.org/en/?page=projects > > > Item: 1 Accurate restoration of renamed/deleted files That's the most important new feature I'm looking forward to. I recently was hit by a filesystem corruption and had to restore 7 TB of data. The restore required the last full (4 weeks ago), 1 diff and all 5 incremental daily backups. In the end the restored filesystem was 20% larger than before (duplicates, renamed files, deleted files). I run a simple find script as ClientRunBefore Job, but this doesn't help that much. Ralf - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hello, the no.1 item from the list here: http://www.bacula.org/en/?page=projects Item: 1 Accurate restoration of renamed/deleted files Regards. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Wed, 5 Nov 2008, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > That's not the problem, it can listen on *all* interfaces (0.0.0.0), but > then: how do you make "client X connect to A address, and client Y connect > to B address"? I do it by putting the specific address I want client Y to use in /etc/hosts on client Y It's ugly, but it works. AB - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 10:06 AM, Hemant Shah <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > From: John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Cc: "junior.listas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Frank Sweetser" < > [EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" < > bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net> > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:05 AM > > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose the > > problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of > > tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. > > > > > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make > > it harder > > for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to > > me any gui > > tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that > > I have 40+ > > clients and about 75 different jobs. > > > > John > > How would it be difficult to edit file through ssh? If you can edit the > current config file you can edit any text (XML) file. Nah, I don't like to edit XML files by hand. It is prone to errors. Just keep the config file format simple, it is easy to create a program that can parse the configuration format and let you edit it using a web or desktop interface, and it is even easier to edit/generate them using a perl script. > > > Users who like GUI tools can use GUI tools, users like me who prefer vim > can still edit files using vim or any other text editor. > > > Hemant Shah > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: >> another approach is to write an Augeas lens for the Bacula >> configuration. it may be necessary/useful to restrict the Bacula >> syntax somewhat, e.g., require users to remove the optional spaces in >> directives. > > You say that without telling us what an Augeas lens is. :) I figured you had access to a search engine :) basically Augeas is a language for describing configuration files so that they can be parsed into trees and manipulated uniformly. e.g., you could run set /files/etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf/job/foobar-job1/schedule Monday1 or set /files/etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf/director/my-dir/maximumconcurrentjobs 5 don't be mislead by /etc/bacula/bacula-dir.conf -- Augeas will handle recursively including other files, so this is just the filename of the starting point. one nice feature is that it takes comments and whitespace seriously, so comments are attached to configuration statements and will go away if the statement is removed. (obviously, depending on comment style it can't always do this 100% correctly, but it does its very best.) -- regards, | Redpill _ Kjetil T. Homme | Linpro (_) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille wrote: > > You say that without telling us what an Augeas lens is. :) > http://augeas.net/ Augeas is a very slick library that gathers up all of the various text config file formats, and maps them onto a simple, consistent API. Within your program, you use the same syntax to edit the hosts file, tweak an apache config, or edit the sudoers file, and augeas does all the dirty work of reading and writing each application specific file format. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:41 PM, Kjetil Torgrim Homme wrote: > Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> I know of another project that does something similar. Nagios. >> >> Nagios has a sister project, Lilac (previously called Fruity). >> Fruity is a web-based interface for maintaining your Nagios >> configuration files. It is quite good. You export your >> Fruity/Lilac database into Nagios configuration files. > > how about the other way around? I really like version control on all > configuration files, so such a solution needs to be two-way. > >> If anyone were to go this route, I'd recommend they look closely at >> how Lilac/Nagios interact and proceed in a similar fashion. Moving >> to XML for the main configuration files is ill-advised. > > another approach is to write an Augeas lens for the Bacula > configuration. it may be necessary/useful to restrict the Bacula > syntax somewhat, e.g., require users to remove the optional spaces in > directives. You say that without telling us what an Augeas lens is. :) -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I know of another project that does something similar. Nagios. > > Nagios has a sister project, Lilac (previously called Fruity). > Fruity is a web-based interface for maintaining your Nagios > configuration files. It is quite good. You export your > Fruity/Lilac database into Nagios configuration files. how about the other way around? I really like version control on all configuration files, so such a solution needs to be two-way. > If anyone were to go this route, I'd recommend they look closely at > how Lilac/Nagios interact and proceed in a similar fashion. Moving > to XML for the main configuration files is ill-advised. another approach is to write an Augeas lens for the Bacula configuration. it may be necessary/useful to restrict the Bacula syntax somewhat, e.g., require users to remove the optional spaces in directives. -- regards, | Redpill _ Kjetil T. Homme | Linpro (_) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 9:46 AM, Hemant Shah wrote: > ≈ > > --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> From: Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? >> To: >> Cc: "bacula-users" >> Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 2:18 PM >> Hemant Shah wrote: >>> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are >> you waiting for? >>>> To: "junior.listas" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> Cc: "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" >> >>>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:48 PM >>>> junior.listas wrote: >>>> >>>>> Configuration data ( whatever is in the config >> file ) >>>>> >>>> may be placed on >>>> >>>>> the database or xml files, this can simplify >> bacula >>>>> >>>> use in web|gtk >>>> >>>>> interfaces or appliances. >>>>> >>>> Sorry, but that's a feature that's not >> likely to be >>>> implemented any time soon: >>>> >>>> >> http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database >>>> >>> >>> >>> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the >> problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of >> tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. >>> >> How about a way to make everybody happy? Store the config >> in the >> database to make it easy to manipulate in Web pages and the >> like - I do >> think this would be a nice-to-have. Use an export and >> import function to >> text files - this will address the issues listed in the >> Wiki. Obviously, >> the export should be automatic after each change, and the >> import should >> be manual. >> > I think that the database design for the config file would be very > complicated. There are so many options, many are optional. In some > ways each configuration is different. The database would be very > complicated. I know of another project that does something similar. Nagios. Nagios has a sister project, Lilac (previously called Fruity). Fruity is a web-based interface for maintaining your Nagios configuration files. It is quite good. You export your Fruity/Lilac database into Nagios configuration files. Everyone wins. In this case, the Lilac/ Fruity database is completely separate from the Nagios database. The two do not overlap at all. If anyone were to go this route, I'd recommend they look closely at how Lilac/Nagios interact and proceed in a similar fashion. Moving to XML for the main configuration files is ill-advised. > IMHO, XML format is best suited for config files. I am sure there > are lots of users like me who do not use web setup for bacula. I > generate my config files using a perl script. If I wanted to use > database I can create my custom database and use perl script to read > database and generated config files (current format or XML). Using an XML format for configuration files goes very much against the basic UNIX design concepts of keep it simple. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Wednesday 05 November 2008 01:14:21 Flavio Junior wrote: > Hi ;) .. > > I think would be nice support for LTO-4 Libraries... > > I'd bought a TS3100 LTO-4 Library and need to use TSM with it :( > > I'll really prefer to use bacula instead. Bacula already works with LTO-4 libraries, I've been using a TS3100 with bacula for a year. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
≈ --- On Tue, 11/4/08, Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > To: > Cc: "bacula-users" > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 2:18 PM > Hemant Shah wrote: > > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > >> From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are > you waiting for? > >> To: "junior.listas" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> Cc: "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" > > >> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:48 PM > >> junior.listas wrote: > >> > >>> Configuration data ( whatever is in the config > file ) > >>> > >> may be placed on > >> > >>> the database or xml files, this can simplify > bacula > >>> > >> use in web|gtk > >> > >>> interfaces or appliances. > >>> > >> Sorry, but that's a feature that's not > likely to be > >> implemented any time soon: > >> > >> > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database > >> > > > > > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose the > problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of > tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. > > > How about a way to make everybody happy? Store the config > in the > database to make it easy to manipulate in Web pages and the > like - I do > think this would be a nice-to-have. Use an export and > import function to > text files - this will address the issues listed in the > Wiki. Obviously, > the export should be automatic after each change, and the > import should > be manual. > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK > & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users I think that the database design for the config file would be very complicated. There are so many options, many are optional. In some ways each configuration is different. The database would be very complicated. IMHO, XML format is best suited for config files. I am sure there are lots of users like me who do not use web setup for bacula. I generate my config files using a perl script. If I wanted to use database I can create my custom database and use perl script to read database and generated config files (current format or XML). Hemant Shah E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Tue, 4 Nov 2008, John Drescher wrote: >> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in >> the above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha >> could be useful. >> > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make it harder > for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to me any gui > tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that I have 40+ > clients and about 75 different jobs. I also strongly vote against this, for the same reasons. Steve - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
--- On Tue, 11/4/08, John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Cc: "junior.listas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Frank Sweetser" <[EMAIL > PROTECTED]>, "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" > > Date: Tuesday, November 4, 2008, 10:05 AM > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose the > problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of > tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. > > > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make > it harder > for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to > me any gui > tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that > I have 40+ > clients and about 75 different jobs. > > John How would it be difficult to edit file through ssh? If you can edit the current config file you can edit any text (XML) file. Users who like GUI tools can use GUI tools, users like me who prefer vim can still edit files using vim or any other text editor. Hemant Shah E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 3:25 AM, Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 03 November 2008 01:29:45 Dan Langille wrote: > > > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting > for? > > One more :) > > Resume uncompleted backup. > > I guess this should be quite easy to implement in Bacula 3.0 with Virtual > Backup. > > The process would look smth like that: > > 1) A big full (or differential) job starts, but errors out, because of > network issue or smth > > 2) DIR marks the job as completed successfully, so that Bacula can base the > next job on it > > 3) DIR starts the incremental job based on the errored out full/diff > > 4) DIR merges the 2 backups, irrespective of whether the incremental job > completed successfully or not > > 5) While incremental job doesn't complete successfully, repeat points 3 and > 4. > > To my mind this could be done even manually, but it would be quite a pain > without any scripts. But if we talk about backups that are a few tens of GB > backed up over 50 KB/s WAN, then it would still benefit :) > Yep, and I must suppose that the location is well on the other side of the world (otherwise it could make no sense to remotely backup all that information) because a 20GB backup could take something around 4 days, and I bet it is faster to send the backup via "snail mail" (ie, postal). Or even better: have a local storage daemon to do the backup, it would take around 1 hour to run the backup, so you could even do it twice, and take one of the copies off-site. > -- > > Silver > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:29:45 Dan Langille wrote: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? One more :) Resume uncompleted backup. I guess this should be quite easy to implement in Bacula 3.0 with Virtual Backup. The process would look smth like that: 1) A big full (or differential) job starts, but errors out, because of network issue or smth 2) DIR marks the job as completed successfully, so that Bacula can base the next job on it 3) DIR starts the incremental job based on the errored out full/diff 4) DIR merges the 2 backups, irrespective of whether the incremental job completed successfully or not 5) While incremental job doesn't complete successfully, repeat points 3 and 4. To my mind this could be done even manually, but it would be quite a pain without any scripts. But if we talk about backups that are a few tens of GB backed up over 50 KB/s WAN, then it would still benefit :) -- Silver - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > > + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that > > bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, > > actually the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" > > several ethernet interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a > > switch that support that feature. With current servers, there > > should not be problem for them to handle several 1Gb interfaces. > > > From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html > > SDAddresses = > Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will > listen for Director connections. > > Is this not what you need? > > NOTE: I think Director in this case also applies to clients. > I think the problem arises when you have the following situation: DIR IP Address 10.1.1.1/24 SD IP Address 10.1.1.2/24 IP Address 10.1.2.2/24 FD IP Address 10.1.2.3/24 The SD only accepts connections to each IP address from another address on that subnet, eg 10.1.1.1 -> 10.1.1.2 is accepted, but 10.1.2.3 -> 10.1.1.2 is not. So the DIR needs to connect to the SD on IP address 10.1.1.2, but then needs to tell the FD to connect to the same SD but on IP address 10.1.2.2. It is not possible to specify this using the current configuration schema. While the above isn't a real world situation, once you involve NAT and such, real world situations do arise which have the same problem as the above. You can work around some variations of this problem by defining two SD entries in your director config, provided you don't have any concurrency problems, but not always. I think the quickest (and dirtiest?) way around the problem would be to define an addition option in the Directors Client config for 'SD Address' (and maybe 'SD Port') which would tell the Client which IP address to connect to the SD on, overriding the IP address in the Directors Storage config. All that being said, I bit of creative natting and port forwarding can solve all of those problems for you too. James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> > I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD > entries in bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. > I've wondered about that too... but does the director get confused when you have concurrent jobs? As far as the director is concerned they are different storages. Maybe it's not a problem in which case this is the best way to solve it for now. James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 12:12 AM, James Harper wrote: >> >> I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD >> entries in bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. >> > > I've wondered about that too... but does the director get confused > when > you have concurrent jobs? As far as the director is concerned they are > different storages. Maybe it's not a problem in which case this is the > best way to solve it for now. For both of your recent posts, see the new thread. :) -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > > Hi! >> >> On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: >> + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that >> bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, actually >> the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" several ethernet >> interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a switch that support that >> feature. With current servers, there should not be problem for them to >> handle several 1Gb interfaces. >> >> >> From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html >> >> SDAddresses = >> Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will listen >> for Director connections. >> >> Is this not what you need? >> >> That's not the problem, it can listen on *all* interfaces (0.0.0.0), but >> then: how do you make "client X connect to A address, and client Y connect >> to B address"? >> > > DNS cannot work for you? you mean DNS RR?: maybe, but it is *non-deterministic* (ie, it is likely that I end up having two clients on the same interface one day, and the other I have them on the other interface, and someday one on each interface, and so on...) I could also hack a different hostname --> IP mapping on each client, modifying its local hosts file, for unix systems, or lmhosts? (I don't remember), for windows but it keeps getting more complicated... imagine ~200 servers to backup, ~40 storage servers, it gets hard to keep track of it. I could also forget about all of that, and just go ahead and use interface bonding for adding up the interfaces at L2, but once again: it is more complicated, and I require a switch that support it (I actually have it, but I know that not everybody have one) The ideal would be that bacula actually could run a "round-robin" around several IP/Hostnames for the storage, so when it goes to tell the client "connect to this sd", it just picks an address from the pool, and gives it but for this we first need that bacula actually use several tapes at the same time, instead of interleaving the backup jobs on the same tape... off course, this complicates things. But I think there should be a better solution for using multi-drive autochanger. I was thinking that it should run one job per drive, doesn't matter if all the jobs use the same pool, then you would end with one job on each tape, but you will have several "half-full" tapes. It is not a simple matter, bacula is a complex software, and as the time pass-by, it keeps getting more complex. When I wrote this "feature request", I didn't thought about all the details. I was thinking about the *other* idea: + Configure one or more drives on *different* servers, and have bacula contact the *autochanger server* (which, off course, will have some tapes connected to it) in order to ask for a the tape load for *other* server. Maybe using a complex mtx script, that uses ssh + cert to connect to the *autochanger server*, and remotely run the mtx command this could actually work, except that bacula can get confussed with the different "barcodes" showing up on several servers at the same time, and don't think about the update slots scan command... maybe a "range filter" could help here, "cut" the autochanger into several pieces, and have each sd "own" its piece. but then this reduce the usefullness of the whole idea. I also think that bacula should have no problem where I put a tape, as long as the device has the same Media Type, I even remember to have seen some "suggestive" fields in the DB, that made this sort of thing possible, only that for some reason it just don't work. > > > I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD entries in > bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. Nice, I didn't know you could do that. I always thought that each SD had one and only one bacula-dir.conf entry, because the manual states: *Name = * The name of the storage resource. This name appears on the Storage directive specified in the Job resource and is required. So... the Name should be the same as in the bacula-sd.conf on the SD server... How can you create several SD entries for the same SD server?, does bacula just ignore the Name and goes ahead and connect? > > > -- > Dan Langille > http://langille.org/ > > > > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-us
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 6, 2008, at 12:20 AM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:52 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > > Hi! > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that > bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, > actually the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" > several ethernet interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a > switch that support that feature. With current servers, there > should not be problem for them to handle several 1Gb interfaces. > > > From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html > > SDAddresses = > Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will > listen for Director connections. > > Is this not what you need? > > That's not the problem, it can listen on *all* interfaces (0.0.0.0), > but then: how do you make "client X connect to A address, and client > Y connect to B address"? > > DNS cannot work for you? > > you mean DNS RR?: maybe, but it is *non-deterministic* (ie, it is > likely that I end up having two clients on the same interface one > day, and the other I have them on the other interface, and someday > one on each interface, and so on...) No, not RR. I meant what I wrote: I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD entries in bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. > I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD > entries in bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. > > Nice, I didn't know you could do that. I always thought that each > SD had one and only one bacula-dir.conf entry, because the manual > states: > > Name = The name of the storage resource. This name appears on > the Storage directive specified in the Job resource and is required. > So... the Name should be the same as in the bacula-sd.conf on the SD > server... How can you create several SD entries for the same SD > server?, does bacula just ignore the Name and goes ahead and connect? This is documented I'm sure, for remote clients that contact the SD through a gateway. Here is some of my config: Actually, look for a new thread... -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 11:50 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > Hi! > > On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that > bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, > actually the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" > several ethernet interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a > switch that support that feature. With current servers, there > should not be problem for them to handle several 1Gb interfaces. > > > From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html > > SDAddresses = > Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will > listen for Director connections. > > Is this not what you need? > > That's not the problem, it can listen on *all* interfaces (0.0.0.0), > but then: how do you make "client X connect to A address, and client > Y connect to B address"? DNS cannot work for you? I have different IP addresses for my SD and create different SD entries in bacula-dir.conf... all of them point to the same SD. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi! On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:21 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > Personal, I'd like to see more and better examples and documentation. > > > More documentation? > > You do know we have rougly 1000 pages of documentation? > > If you think something specific is missing, write it and submit the > patch. > > Seriously. Bacula is one of the best documented projects around. If > you feel something is lacking, please join the documentation mailing > list and tell us all about it. I fully agree. The only other project I know about with such a good documentation is PostgreSQL. > > > -- > Dan Langille > http://langille.org/ > > > > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi! On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 11:24 PM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > >> + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that >> bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, actually >> the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" several ethernet >> interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a switch that support that >> feature. With current servers, there should not be problem for them to >> handle several 1Gb interfaces. >> > > > From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html > > SDAddresses = > Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will listen for > Director connections. > > Is this not what you need? That's not the problem, it can listen on *all* interfaces (0.0.0.0), but then: how do you make "client X connect to A address, and client Y connect to B address"? > > > NOTE: I think Director in this case also applies to clients. > > > -- > Dan Langille > http://langille.org/ > > > > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:31 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa wrote: > + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that > bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, > actually the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" > several ethernet interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a > switch that support that feature. With current servers, there > should not be problem for them to handle several 1Gb interfaces. From http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/Storage_Daemon_Configuratio.html SDAddresses = Specify the ports and addresses on which the Storage daemon will listen for Director connections. Is this not what you need? NOTE: I think Director in this case also applies to clients. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 4, 2008, at 6:20 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Personal, I'd like to see more and better examples and documentation. More documentation? You do know we have rougly 1000 pages of documentation? If you think something specific is missing, write it and submit the patch. Seriously. Bacula is one of the best documented projects around. If you feel something is lacking, please join the documentation mailing list and tell us all about it. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 4, 2008, at 3:18 PM, Kevin Keane wrote: > Hemant Shah wrote: >> --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>> From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? >>> To: "junior.listas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> Cc: "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" >>> >> > >>> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:48 PM >>> junior.listas wrote: >>> >>>> Configuration data ( whatever is in the config file ) >>>> >>> may be placed on >>> >>>> the database or xml files, this can simplify bacula >>>> >>> use in web|gtk >>> >>>> interfaces or appliances. >>>> >>> Sorry, but that's a feature that's not likely to be >>> implemented any time soon: >>> >>> http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database >>> >> >> >> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified >> in the above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML >> files tha could be useful. >> > How about a way to make everybody happy? Store the config in the > database to make it easy to manipulate in Web pages and the like - I > do > think this would be a nice-to-have. Use an export and import > function to > text files - this will address the issues listed in the Wiki. > Obviously, > the export should be automatic after each change, and the import > should > be manual. There is absolutely nothing stopping anyone from writing such a beast. Except it appears that nobody *wants* to write it. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 4, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Yuri Timofeev wrote: > 2008/11/4 Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> >> There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in >> http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery >> > > In fact this is my text. > Will there be a mention of the author (me)? > > http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:tb2DL1GRHVsJ:www.mail-archive.com/bacula-users%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg08755.html+(copyleft)+Santa+Claus+bacula+Windows+2003+(PDC)&hl=ru&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=by&client=firefox-a > > Initially, this instruction was in Russian: > http://www.opennet.ru/soft/Bacula_PDC_backup.pdf It's a wiki. You can add yourself in. :) -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi ;) .. I think would be nice support for LTO-4 Libraries... I'd bought a TS3100 LTO-4 Library and need to use TSM with it :( I'll really prefer to use bacula instead. PS: I have no idea about problems to make it works (licensing, hardware, proprietary issues) sorry :) -- Flávio do Carmo Júnior aka waKKu On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:01 PM, Jose Ildefonso Camargo Tolosa < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi! > > I was just thinking: > > In the next few days, I'll be configuring a 10 drive, and 245 tapes, LTO-4 > autochanger... I mean, 10 drives, at ~120MB/s each drive.. well > a LOT of speed. I don't think it makes sense to configure *all* these > drives on the same server (I mean, the network is 1Gb, ~100MB/s, assuming > the servers/switchs can handle it), so, even if I setup the concurrent jobs > correctly, it still doesn't make sense to configure all the drives on the > same server, because there will not be enough network speed to fully use > them. So, it would be nice to have a way of either: > > + Configure one or more drives on *different* servers, and have bacula > contact the *autochanger server* (which, off course, will have some tapes > connected to it) in order to ask for a the tape load for *other* server. > > Or: > > + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that bacula > can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, actually the > same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" several ethernet > interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a switch that support that > feature. With current servers, there should not be problem for them to > handle several 1Gb interfaces. > > Any comments are wellcome. > > c-ya! > > Ildefonso Camargo > > > > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's > challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great > prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi! I was just thinking: In the next few days, I'll be configuring a 10 drive, and 245 tapes, LTO-4 autochanger... I mean, 10 drives, at ~120MB/s each drive.. well a LOT of speed. I don't think it makes sense to configure *all* these drives on the same server (I mean, the network is 1Gb, ~100MB/s, assuming the servers/switchs can handle it), so, even if I setup the concurrent jobs correctly, it still doesn't make sense to configure all the drives on the same server, because there will not be enough network speed to fully use them. So, it would be nice to have a way of either: + Configure one or more drives on *different* servers, and have bacula contact the *autochanger server* (which, off course, will have some tapes connected to it) in order to ask for a the tape load for *other* server. Or: + Make it possible to use several IPs on the same SD server, so that bacula can have different clients connect to different SD IP (well, actually the same machine). I know there are ways of "bonding" several ethernet interfaces into a "faster one", but this requires a switch that support that feature. With current servers, there should not be problem for them to handle several 1Gb interfaces. Any comments are wellcome. c-ya! Ildefonso Camargo - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Bacula is fantastic. Two things would be useful: 1) bsmtp sends mail direct to google without any intermediate mail server... I got this to work using ssmtp (see link below) and rewriting the mail commands. http://linux.derkeiler.com/Mailing-Lists/SuSE/2008-07/msg01593.html 2) Support for szip (licensing?) or lzo compression, both seem to offer some performance improvements. Thanks Mark On Mon, Nov 3, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > > Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape > today, but I was busy: > > > Running Jobs: > JobId Level Name Status > == > 22833 Fullwocker.2008-11-02_05.55.47 is waiting for a mount request > 22834 Fullbast_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.48 is waiting execution > 22835 Fullbast_home.2008-11-02_05.55.49 is waiting execution > 22836 Fullpolo_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.50 is waiting execution > 22837 Fullpolo.2008-11-02_05.55.51 is waiting execution > 22838 Fullngaio_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.52 is waiting execution > 22839 Fullngaio.2008-11-02_05.55.53 is waiting execution > 22840 Fullmacbook.2008-11-02_05.55.54 is waiting execution > 22841 Fullnyi.2008-11-02_05.55.55 is waiting execution > 22842 Fullnebula.2008-11-02_05.55.56 is waiting execution > 22843 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_06.00.57 is waiting execution > 22844 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_08.00.58 is waiting execution > 22845 Fullsupernews.2008-11-02_08.15.59 is waiting execution > 22846 Fulllatens_basic.2008-11-02_08.15.00 is waiting execution > 22847 Fulllatens_home.2008-11-02_08.15.01 is waiting execution > 22848 FullBackupCatalog.2008-11-02_08.15.02 is waiting execution > 22849 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_10.00.03 is waiting execution > 22850 Differe nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_12.01.04 is waiting execution > 22851 Fullnyi_maildir_tarball.2008-11-02_12.01.05 is waiting execution > 22852 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_16.00.16 is waiting execution > 22853 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_18.00.17 is waiting execution > 22854 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_20.00.18 is waiting execution > 22855 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_22.00.19 is waiting execution > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users > - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi All, In general, there is a good way to determine which features are required for a backup system, therefore it is required to imagine what the *most ideal backup system* would look like, using the TRIZ analysis method. The resulting 'most ideal system for making remote backups' will be something like this: Having important files (e.g. those newly created or modified) on any client backed up as - *Securely* (data encryption during transfer), - *Resource-friendly*, e.g. cpu&memory(requires good coding) or bandwidth (e.g. using rsync protocol) - *Quickly* (using zero time, or preferably as close as possible to that), - *Transparantly*, so the users don't notice it working in the background, - *Effortlessly*, e.g. zero user actions required during backup, - *Intuitive for the user *when adjusting settings or setting up (better documentation, more practical and complete examples, setup videos on youtube) as possible, to remote storage location(s) (or locations ) where it will be stored as - *Resource-friendly* (esp. diskspace (e.g. using compression?), time/cpu time in lesser extent important) - *Secure *against prying eyes (file encryption), - *Robustly* (error-protection using checksums, or using 'hardware' security like a raid) as possible, with a restore process that is as: - *resource-friendly* as possible (time, for example when rewinding tapes in tape drives) - *Secure* (e.g. access to restore interface and restored files) - *intuitive* for the end user as possible, and *requires no administrator* time for restoring (user can do it all him/herself) I'm sure this isn't complete, but if you would compare this 'ideal remote backup system template' to the current state of bacula, you can determine where bacula is at the moment, and where it should go in the future. As I don't know what the current state of Bacula is, I can't compare them well. Perhaps anyone else might. Personal, I'd like to see more and better examples and documentation. Yours sincerely, Sebastiaan Giebels TRIZ specialist ;) - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
2008/11/4 Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery > In fact this is my text. Will there be a mention of the author (me)? http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:tb2DL1GRHVsJ:www.mail-archive.com/bacula-users%40lists.sourceforge.net/msg08755.html+(copyleft)+Santa+Claus+bacula+Windows+2003+(PDC)&hl=ru&ct=clnk&cd=3&gl=by&client=firefox-a Initially, this instruction was in Russian: http://www.opennet.ru/soft/Bacula_PDC_backup.pdf -- with best regards - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> Server side compression. Latest server systems have four, six (AMD/Intel) or > eight (SUN Niagara 2) cores per processor. So a 2-4 processor system could > have until 32 cores. A single Intel 2.33 GHz quadcore processor can compress > data by software with about 60 MB/s (gzip, fastest compression, about 16 > MB/s per compression thread). So a AMD/Intel four processor quadcore system > can compress about 240 MB/s. A modern compression card (zlib compatible) can > archive 500 MB/s (compress and decompress). So many harddisk storage can be > saved. > For me I am still waiting for this to happen on the file system level and when I want it to happen. I mean after the backup jobs are done I can trigger a cron job to set some attributes on the files causing them to compress. Windows has had this ability with ntfs for a very long time and I was amazed that linux did not do that but missing this feature does not stop me from using linux for all the departments 15TB+ raid storage. John - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On 03.11.2008 00:29, Dan Langille wrote: With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? This are my favorites: * Migration/Copy from SD to another SD via Ethernet. Very interesting in desaster recovery (DR) szenarios. * Server side compression. Latest server systems have four, six (AMD/Intel) or eight (SUN Niagara 2) cores per processor. So a 2-4 processor system could have until 32 cores. A single Intel 2.33 GHz quadcore processor can compress data by software with about 60 MB/s (gzip, fastest compression, about 16 MB/s per compression thread). So a AMD/Intel four processor quadcore system can compress about 240 MB/s. A modern compression card (zlib compatible) can archive 500 MB/s (compress and decompress). So many harddisk storage can be saved. Regards Michael - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hemant Shah wrote: > --- On Mon, 11/3/08, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >> From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? >> To: "junior.listas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Cc: "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" >> Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:48 PM >> junior.listas wrote: >> >>> Configuration data ( whatever is in the config file ) >>> >> may be placed on >> >>> the database or xml files, this can simplify bacula >>> >> use in web|gtk >> >>> interfaces or appliances. >>> >> Sorry, but that's a feature that's not likely to be >> implemented any time soon: >> >> http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database >> > > > Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in the > above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha could be > useful. > How about a way to make everybody happy? Store the config in the database to make it easy to manipulate in Web pages and the like - I do think this would be a nice-to-have. Use an export and import function to text files - this will address the issues listed in the Wiki. Obviously, the export should be automatic after each change, and the import should be manual. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
I think that to do ALL backups to tape - a bad strategy. The advantages of using tape to store long-term (6months -- 5 years and more) archival. In other cases, better use of HDD. imho I have important business data backup is stored 3--5 years in 2 places: on disk and tape. Therefore, it turns out that "what new feature are you waiting for?" == is Copy Jobs !! ;) 2008/11/3 Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > > Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape > today, but I was busy: > > > Running Jobs: > JobId Level Name Status > == > 22833 Fullwocker.2008-11-02_05.55.47 is waiting for a mount request > 22834 Fullbast_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.48 is waiting execution > 22835 Fullbast_home.2008-11-02_05.55.49 is waiting execution > 22836 Fullpolo_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.50 is waiting execution >... -- with best regards - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
For a single job to be able to use multiple tapedrives simultaneously, when backing up to a single pool. I whinged about this some months ago, but looks like it may be a difficult task. Cheers, Terry - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in the > above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha could be > useful. > I would vote against this if I could. I mean this will make it harder for me to edit the configuration files through ssh and to me any gui tools to edit the files will just get in the way being that I have 40+ clients and about 75 different jobs. John - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
"Dan Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> kirjoitti viestissä news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > > Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape > today, but I was busy: > If would appreciate some level of fault tolerance in tape / autochanger support. For example, automatically running "update slots" if the loaded tape was not the correct one, human operator mistakes do happen anyway, and they are usually detected while Bacula is running unmanned in the middle of the night. I also had some hard-to-reproduce trouble with Exabyte's autochanger, now I'm using improved changer script (by Mark Nienberg) and it has fixed the actual problem but since Bacula is not aware of the improved (try to find the label of the tape) functionality of the script, it causes extra hassle when labeling new tapes etc. -- TiN - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: Frank Sweetser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > To: "junior.listas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net" > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 9:48 PM > junior.listas wrote: > > Configuration data ( whatever is in the config file ) > may be placed on > > the database or xml files, this can simplify bacula > use in web|gtk > > interfaces or appliances. > > Sorry, but that's a feature that's not likely to be > implemented any time soon: > > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database Converting it to an XML file would not pose the problems specified in the above wiki, there are lots of tools to create/parse XML files tha could be useful. > > -- > Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there > is a solution that > WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and > wrong. - HL Mencken > GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 > 29E3 E2E8 8CEC > > - > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK > & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users Hemant Shah E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 4, 2008, at 8:56 AM, Kevin Keane wrote: > Dan Langille wrote: >> >> On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Kevin Keane wrote: >>> >>> - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the >>> information >>> about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. >> >> >> Can you elaborate upon that? >> >> You can download the docs for any given version... > Really? I wasn't aware of it, and wouldn't know where to find it. Let me document how I would do it. http://www.bacula.org/en/ Downloads | All files bacula There I see docs for 2.4.3, etc all the way back to 1.36.3 (dated 2005-04-23). > But I stand corrected - I just saw that the online documentation at > http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/index.html is for 2.4.2 - for some > reason, I thought it was for 1.38. I wish I knew exactly where this > impression came from. I vaguely recall that it was related to some > discrepancies between the Configuring_Director.html file and error > messages that bacula-dir -t would produce. It's always been the latest release there. :) > Maybe I was thinking of the tutorial at > http://www.bacula.org/en/dev-manual/Brief_Tutorial.html - it doesn't > list any version number. Docs on the website generally refer to the latest release. Or should. One goal of the docs sub-project is to put each release's docs online. -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille wrote: > > On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Kevin Keane wrote: >> >> - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the information >> about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. > > > Can you elaborate upon that? > > You can download the docs for any given version... Really? I wasn't aware of it, and wouldn't know where to find it. But I stand corrected - I just saw that the online documentation at http://www.bacula.org/en/rel-manual/index.html is for 2.4.2 - for some reason, I thought it was for 1.38. I wish I knew exactly where this impression came from. I vaguely recall that it was related to some discrepancies between the Configuring_Director.html file and error messages that bacula-dir -t would produce. Maybe I was thinking of the tutorial at http://www.bacula.org/en/dev-manual/Brief_Tutorial.html - it doesn't list any version number. One documentation-related issue is in Configuring_Director.html. It claims that the Label Format = directive is deprecated since 1.37 and replaced with a Python script. That python script is not documented anywhere (that I could find), and Label Format seems to continue to work fine. Incidentally, I hope it will continue to work - I'm not a Python guy ;-) > Or are you the person that wanted tags in the docs to say this feature > came with version X? Not me, although that might be an interesting idea. Not very important for me. Incidentally - great job, bacula team. I love what you created! - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 3, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Kevin Keane wrote: > > - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the information > about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. Can you elaborate upon that? You can download the docs for any given version... Or are you the person that wanted tags in the docs to say this feature came with version X? -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > Am Di 04.11.2008 10:42 schrieb Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > >> On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:22:12 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: >> >>> Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> - Native support for Windows system state backup without using NTBackup. Ideally including a full ASR. >>> It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a full >>> backup >>> and restore from scratch without NTBackup. >>> >> You mean with BartBE plugin? I wouldn't call it "implemented in >> Bacula". >> >> There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in >> http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery >> > > No, that is not what i mean. We do full system backups with VSS enabled > and restore the whole system from a linux rescue cd with a static bacula > client. In the rescue-environment we prepare the target disks (partions > and ntfs-format), then we restore the system (only partition c), make > the system bootable trough a original windows install cd and start the > restored maschine. Then we restore the rest of the system (any other > partition) with the original installed bacula-fd. > > That has worked fine at our tests. > > Ok, it is not truly implemented "in" bacula, but you will need a rescue > cd - in any case. > > Greetings > > Sebastian > Thank you for that information! Oddly enough, I had actually turned on VSS recently - and then forgot all about it. Worked very well according to the log file, although I haven't tested the disaster recovery. Kevin - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Am Di 04.11.2008 11:07 schrieb Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 12:01:06 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > > > > Am Di 04.11.2008 10:42 schrieb Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:22:12 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > > > > Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > > - Native support for Windows system state backup without using > > > > > NTBackup. > > > > > Ideally including a full ASR. > > > > > > > > > It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a > > > > full > > > > backup > > > > and restore from scratch without NTBackup. > > > > > > You mean with BartBE plugin? I wouldn't call it "implemented in > > > Bacula". > > > > > > There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in > > > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery > > > > No, that is not what i mean. We do full system backups with VSS > > enabled > > and restore the whole system from a linux rescue cd with a static > > bacula > > client. In the rescue-environment we prepare the target disks > > (partions > > and ntfs-format), then we restore the system (only partition c), > > make > > the system bootable trough a original windows install cd and start > > the > > restored maschine. Then we restore the rest of the system (any other > > partition) with the original installed bacula-fd. > > > > That has worked fine at our tests. > > > > Ok, it is not truly implemented "in" bacula, but you will need a > > rescue > > cd - in any case. > > > > Greetings > > > > Sebastian > > Hmm, sounds good. I didn't know it's possible like that.. Maybe you'd > list and > describe the method in wiki too? :) maybe :-) Sebastian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 12:01:06 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > > Am Di 04.11.2008 10:42 schrieb Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:22:12 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > > > Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > > - Native support for Windows system state backup without using > > > > NTBackup. > > > > Ideally including a full ASR. > > > > > > > It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a full > > > backup > > > and restore from scratch without NTBackup. > > > > You mean with BartBE plugin? I wouldn't call it "implemented in > > Bacula". > > > > There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in > > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery > > No, that is not what i mean. We do full system backups with VSS enabled > and restore the whole system from a linux rescue cd with a static bacula > client. In the rescue-environment we prepare the target disks (partions > and ntfs-format), then we restore the system (only partition c), make > the system bootable trough a original windows install cd and start the > restored maschine. Then we restore the rest of the system (any other > partition) with the original installed bacula-fd. > > That has worked fine at our tests. > > Ok, it is not truly implemented "in" bacula, but you will need a rescue > cd - in any case. > > Greetings > > Sebastian Hmm, sounds good. I didn't know it's possible like that.. Maybe you'd list and describe the method in wiki too? :) -- Silver - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Am Di 04.11.2008 10:42 schrieb Silver Salonen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:22:12 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > > Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > - Native support for Windows system state backup without using > > > NTBackup. > > > Ideally including a full ASR. > > > > > It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a full > > backup > > and restore from scratch without NTBackup. > > You mean with BartBE plugin? I wouldn't call it "implemented in > Bacula". > > There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in > http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery No, that is not what i mean. We do full system backups with VSS enabled and restore the whole system from a linux rescue cd with a static bacula client. In the rescue-environment we prepare the target disks (partions and ntfs-format), then we restore the system (only partition c), make the system bootable trough a original windows install cd and start the restored maschine. Then we restore the rest of the system (any other partition) with the original installed bacula-fd. That has worked fine at our tests. Ok, it is not truly implemented "in" bacula, but you will need a rescue cd - in any case. Greetings Sebastian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Tuesday 04 November 2008 11:22:12 Sebastian Lehmann wrote: > Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > - Native support for Windows system state backup without using > > NTBackup. > > Ideally including a full ASR. > > > It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a full backup > and restore from scratch without NTBackup. You mean with BartBE plugin? I wouldn't call it "implemented in Bacula". There's no other way besides NTBackup and this listed in http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=windows_bare_metal_recovery -- Silver - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Hi, Am Di 04.11.2008 05:10 schrieb Kevin Keane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Here is my wish list. I hope I'm not including things that already > exist... > > What I would like to see is more support for backing up to removable > hard disks. Specifically: > > - Have bacula delete the actual file on disk when it is > purged/pruned/deleted in the database. Unlike tapes, reusing files > makes > little sense. This will allow a true one-job, one-file scheme (yes, I > know the database takes care of that already, but I like redundancy in > such things). > > - Another level of volume management between the current volume and > pool. Currently, there is no way (that I could find) to have bacula > rotate hard disks with multiple volumes on each disk. > > - Native support for Windows system state backup without using > NTBackup. > Ideally including a full ASR. > It's is implemented since Bacula supports VSS. You can run a full backup and restore from scratch without NTBackup. > - Support for Windows 2008 and Vista (not sure if that may already > exist; it's not an issue for me - yet). > > - Director and SD supported on Windows. I believe they currently work > but aren't officially supported? > > - A good Windows client (or maybe I just didn't find it...) > > - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the information > about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. > > Dan Langille schrieb: > >> With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you > >> waiting for? > >> > Sebastian - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
EFS support on Windows is my dream. Alex Ehrlich - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Monday 03 November 2008 01:29:45 Dan Langille wrote: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? Possibility to reload SD's configuration without restarting, like it can be done in DIR. -- Silver - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Here is my wish list. I hope I'm not including things that already exist... What I would like to see is more support for backing up to removable hard disks. Specifically: - Have bacula delete the actual file on disk when it is purged/pruned/deleted in the database. Unlike tapes, reusing files makes little sense. This will allow a true one-job, one-file scheme (yes, I know the database takes care of that already, but I like redundancy in such things). - Another level of volume management between the current volume and pool. Currently, there is no way (that I could find) to have bacula rotate hard disks with multiple volumes on each disk. - Native support for Windows system state backup without using NTBackup. Ideally including a full ASR. - Support for Windows 2008 and Vista (not sure if that may already exist; it's not an issue for me - yet). - Director and SD supported on Windows. I believe they currently work but aren't officially supported? - A good Windows client (or maybe I just didn't find it...) - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the information about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. Dan Langille schrieb: >> With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? >> - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Here is my wish list. I hope I'm not including things that already exist... What I would like to see is more support for backing up to removable hard disks. Specifically: - Have bacula delete the actual file on disk when it is purged/pruned/deleted in the database. Unlike tapes, reusing files makes little sense. This will allow a true one-job, one-file scheme (yes, I know the database takes care of that already, but I like redundancy in such things). - Another level of volume management between the current volume and pool. Currently, there is no way (that I could find) to have bacula rotate hard disks with multiple volumes on each disk. - Native support for Windows system state backup without using NTBackup. Ideally including a full ASR. - Support for Windows 2008 and Vista (not sure if that may already exist; it's not an issue for me - yet). - Director and SD supported on Windows. I believe they currently work but aren't officially supported? - A good Windows client (or maybe I just didn't find it...) - Documentation updates. It's tricky to piece together the information about the correct information for anything past version 1.38. Dan Langille schrieb: >> With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? >> - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
junior.listas wrote: > Configuration data ( whatever is in the config file ) may be placed on > the database or xml files, this can simplify bacula use in web|gtk > interfaces or appliances. Sorry, but that's a feature that's not likely to be implemented any time soon: http://wiki.bacula.org/doku.php?id=faq#why_doesn_t_bacula_store_configuration_in_the_catalog_database -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Nov 3, 2008, at 8:43 PM, junior.listas wrote: > I would like to specify one database for each job. Do you mean one Catalog for each Job? You can do one job per Client. Is that not what you can use? -- Dan Langille http://langille.org/ - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
I would like to specify one database for each job. ps. Sorry if this exists, but i can't find. JC - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Configuration data ( whatever is in the config file ) may be placed on the database or xml files, this can simplify bacula use in web|gtk interfaces or appliances. JC - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
--- On Mon, 11/3/08, John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > From: John Drescher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for? > To: "Yuri Timofeev" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: "Dan Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > Date: Monday, November 3, 2008, 2:01 PM > > Copy Jobs ! > > ++ > >- > This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move > Developer's challenge > Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK > & win great prizes > Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event > anywhere in the world > http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ > ___ > Bacula-users mailing list > Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users +++ Hemant Shah E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
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Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
2008/11/3 Dan Langille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > Copy Jobs ! -- with best regards - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 11:18 AM, Tilman Schmidt < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Dan Langille schrieb: > > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting > for? > > I'm still looking for a way to tell Bacula to use whatever tape is > present in a standalone drive. (Provided it is in the correct pool > and appendable or eligible for recycling, of course.) That would > really spare me some hassle when my tape operator has made a > mistake. I second this one. I have a multiple drive exchanger, and I hate when it unload a tape just to load it to another drive, I mean, it already had it there, why not use it? Ildefonso Camargo. - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
Dan Langille schrieb: > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? I'm still looking for a way to tell Bacula to use whatever tape is present in a standalone drive. (Provided it is in the correct pool and appendable or eligible for recycling, of course.) That would really spare me some hassle when my tape operator has made a mistake. -- Tilman Schmidt Phoenix Software GmbH Bonn, Germany signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
On Mon, 3 Nov 2008, James Harper wrote:
> What I'd really like is some sort of tape validation job. Under Amanda
> (sorry :), I ran a script at 10am and 3pm which would email someone if
> there was no tape (usb disk actually) present, or if the disk would not
> be valid for tonights backup.
I wrote a perl script that queries the tape that is needed for the day.
>From my code :
query("select p.Name, VolumeName, LastWritten, VolStatus
from Media m, Pool p
where m.PoolId = p.PoolId
and p.Name = \"" . $weekdays[$dow-1] . "Pool-Tape\"
order by LastWritten;");
Next, I made a batch script:
wanted=`/usr/local/bacula/scripts/wanted.pl -t`
slots=`echo -e 'update slots\n3' | /usr/local/bacula/etc/bconsole`
echo ${slots} | egrep "$wanted" > /dev/null
if [ $? == 1 ] ; then
i="I still did not find the volume '$wanted' in the tapedrive.
Please load this tape in the tapedrive."
echo "$i" | mail -s "Bacula Tape Request"
so, if i forget to load a tape, I get a mail around 15:00 with the needed
tape.
K.
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Re: [Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
> > With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? > > Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape > today, but I was busy: > I get around that by setting the maximum run time for a job. My jobs all start at 9pm, and if they are still running at 9am bacula cancels them automatically. If your backup regime was other than a nightly job that is always finished by morning then obviously this might not work for you. What I'd really like is some sort of tape validation job. Under Amanda (sorry :), I ran a script at 10am and 3pm which would email someone if there was no tape (usb disk actually) present, or if the disk would not be valid for tonights backup. The 10am script would email the normal tape operator, the 3pm job would email a bunch of others too, on the assumption that the normal tape operator was probably absent. James - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
[Bacula-users] What new feature are you waiting for?
With the upcoming release of Bacula, what new feature are you waiting for? Me? I'm waiting for duplicate job control. I had to change a tape today, but I was busy: Running Jobs: JobId Level Name Status == 22833 Fullwocker.2008-11-02_05.55.47 is waiting for a mount request 22834 Fullbast_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.48 is waiting execution 22835 Fullbast_home.2008-11-02_05.55.49 is waiting execution 22836 Fullpolo_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.50 is waiting execution 22837 Fullpolo.2008-11-02_05.55.51 is waiting execution 22838 Fullngaio_basic.2008-11-02_05.55.52 is waiting execution 22839 Fullngaio.2008-11-02_05.55.53 is waiting execution 22840 Fullmacbook.2008-11-02_05.55.54 is waiting execution 22841 Fullnyi.2008-11-02_05.55.55 is waiting execution 22842 Fullnebula.2008-11-02_05.55.56 is waiting execution 22843 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_06.00.57 is waiting execution 22844 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_08.00.58 is waiting execution 22845 Fullsupernews.2008-11-02_08.15.59 is waiting execution 22846 Fulllatens_basic.2008-11-02_08.15.00 is waiting execution 22847 Fulllatens_home.2008-11-02_08.15.01 is waiting execution 22848 FullBackupCatalog.2008-11-02_08.15.02 is waiting execution 22849 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_10.00.03 is waiting execution 22850 Differe nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_12.01.04 is waiting execution 22851 Fullnyi_maildir_tarball.2008-11-02_12.01.05 is waiting execution 22852 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_16.00.16 is waiting execution 22853 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_18.00.17 is waiting execution 22854 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_20.00.18 is waiting execution 22855 Increme nyi_maildir.2008-11-02_22.00.19 is waiting execution - This SF.Net email is sponsored by the Moblin Your Move Developer's challenge Build the coolest Linux based applications with Moblin SDK & win great prizes Grand prize is a trip for two to an Open Source event anywhere in the world http://moblin-contest.org/redirect.php?banner_id=100&url=/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
