Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-beta] Bacula BETA 2.1.26 released toSource Forge
On Monday 16 July 2007 22:38, Dan Langille wrote: On 16 Jul 2007 at 16:30, Dan Langille wrote: On 16 Jul 2007 at 22:19, Francisco Rodrigo Cortinas Ma wrote: - In the fact that you need funding, the right way is to ask for donations. This will remain valid as long as the project remains small. We have asked for donations. In a prevoius email, Kern mentioned this has been about $8000 since 2000. That's about $4 a day. Given the number of users, it's pretty clear that donations don't work. Please ignore my calculations. They are not based on fact. I messed up. My apologies. I never calculated it on a day basis. If I do so, it looks like my out of pocket expenses have been running about $22 per day. If you include a reasonable salary based on my last one (1995) it would be more like $550 per day. I'm sure people like Dan and Scott many others understand, but perhaps users don't realize that Bacula is where it is today not because I devoted part of my time to it. It has been continuous 60-80 hour weeks for the 7.5 years I have been working on it. In saying that, I certainly don't want to minimize the contributions that were made by many people (see the AUTHORS file). Most guys in my shoes would have sold the software (cups was just sold to Apple, ...). I figure the *minimum* price for Bacula would be $3-4 million. My salary alone during that time would have been at least $1.5 million. However, I have transferred the copyright to FSFE so that Bacula (the source) will not and cannot be bought. When I receive criticism for wanting to provide additional services and trying to ensure that it is properly funded in a *fair* way so that the effort won't go broke, I get the feeling that some people are living in a fantasy world where they believe, without realizing it, that Open Software programmers can survive on air only and they are obligated to serve corporate interests. Most likely this is not how the critics feel, but it is certainly the impression that comes across at least to me. My point remains: donations are insufficient to fund the project - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-beta] Bacula BETA 2.1.26 released toSource Forge
On Monday 16 July 2007 23:11, Frank Sweetser wrote: Bill Moran wrote: So, I think it's a good plan from every angle. Furthermore, I think that anyone who doesn't think it's a good plan either hasn't reviewed it thoroughly, or has some strange axe to grind. There actually is one potentially negative downside I can think of. Right now, it's trivial to evaluate the software - download and play. One of the best bits about free software is that there is no risk at all in trialling software beyond the time spent. By adding in this barrier, there's more hassle involved getting the software and getting a functional first impression (at least for platforms where binaries aren't readily available or compilable elsewhere). One not very well thought out idea - some kind of virtual machine setup, or equally targeted installation, that would make it trivial to evaluate the software, without easily letting itself be installed for a production use. Beyond that, it boils down to a PR issue of making it very crystal clear exactly what is and isn't free. I think that will become clear once I (we) have visited more big sites and once the company is operational. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-beta] Bacula BETA 2.1.26 released toSource Forge
Frank Sweetser wrote: Bill Moran wrote: So, I think it's a good plan from every angle. Furthermore, I think that anyone who doesn't think it's a good plan either hasn't reviewed it thoroughly, or has some strange axe to grind. There actually is one potentially negative downside I can think of. Right now, it's trivial to evaluate the software - download and play. One of the best bits about free software is that there is no risk at all in trialling software beyond the time spent. By adding in this barrier, there's more hassle involved getting the software and getting a functional first impression (at least for platforms where binaries aren't readily available or compilable elsewhere). It is a marvel to me how someone can give away a major part of their life, their time, their talent, for free. Yet, when they ask for the littlest bit of help or appreciation they are berated. Companies make money on OSS, they MAKE MONEY ON OSS!. I have an ongoing personal struggle which is currently leading me to leave the internet industry. I work hard to try and get every company I have been employed with the donate, not a pidly twenty bucks, more like five thousand. The use of Apache (free) has saved the company I currently work for over twenty five thousand dollars a year. The most common reply I get is we can't afford it, my response is you have a bad business model then because you based your companies survival on an unknown resource that you cannot afford to replace. This weekend Bacula saved my bacon, if we expand it's use it will become a service we can charge clients for. The company I work for will make money from the use of Bacula, as I am certain others on this list do already. In my opinion a donation of 25% of the yearly cost of a comparable commercial product is not unreasonable, it is a bargin. I also know it won't happen. This all reminds me of the story of the father explaining welfare to his son. He tells his son to go to the park every day at noon and feed the squirrels all they can eat. Go every day for a year without fail, rain or shine. Then go to the park and give them nothing, see how long you sit before they bite you. I appologise for the rant, it was a long weekend. -- Three years now I've asked Google why they don't have a logo change for Memorial Day. Why do they choose to do logos for other non-international holidays, but nothing for Veterans? Maybe they forgot who made that choice possible. - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] [Bacula-devel] [Bacula-beta] Bacula BETA 2.1.26 released toSource Forge
Bill Moran wrote: So, I think it's a good plan from every angle. Furthermore, I think that anyone who doesn't think it's a good plan either hasn't reviewed it thoroughly, or has some strange axe to grind. There actually is one potentially negative downside I can think of. Right now, it's trivial to evaluate the software - download and play. One of the best bits about free software is that there is no risk at all in trialling software beyond the time spent. By adding in this barrier, there's more hassle involved getting the software and getting a functional first impression (at least for platforms where binaries aren't readily available or compilable elsewhere). One not very well thought out idea - some kind of virtual machine setup, or equally targeted installation, that would make it trivial to evaluate the software, without easily letting itself be installed for a production use. Beyond that, it boils down to a PR issue of making it very crystal clear exactly what is and isn't free. -- Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that WPI Senior Network Engineer | is simple, elegant, and wrong. - HL Mencken GPG fingerprint = 6174 1257 129E 0D21 D8D4 E8A3 8E39 29E3 E2E8 8CEC - This SF.net email is sponsored by DB2 Express Download DB2 Express C - the FREE version of DB2 express and take control of your XML. No limits. Just data. Click to get it now. http://sourceforge.net/powerbar/db2/ ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
