Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Wed, 12 May 2010 06:51:42 +0200, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: The system state in Windows 2008 is really the whole C: drive plus a little extra information (I assume, boot sectors or the like). Do you know if they have a replacement for ntbackup or a similar tool that does the same thing? I.e. only back up registries and other files that Bacula has problems with? -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
-Original Message- From: Foo [mailto:bfo...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 3:21 AM To: Kevin Keane; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup On Wed, 12 May 2010 06:51:42 +0200, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: The system state in Windows 2008 is really the whole C: drive plus a little extra information (I assume, boot sectors or the like). Do you know if they have a replacement for ntbackup or a similar tool that does the same thing? I.e. only back up registries and other files that Bacula has problems with? No, they don't. Microsoft basically takes a very sensible position, in my mind: we only provide a basic tool. If you don't like it, you can get third-party tools. Think of Windows Backup (or NTBackup) as the backup equivalent of Notepad. Basically, what happened was that NTBackup simply got too convoluted and unwieldy over time. It had to be aware of all kinds of special applications such as Exchange and SQL Server. It also doesn't support incremental and differential backups very well (you have to manually figure out which files to restore in which order). I suspect that NTBackup also would have problems with the internal changes to Windows, such as the SxS architecture (the root cause of the proliferation of junction points). Windows Backup really is very, very good - a major improvement over NTBackup. What looks like a weakness at first (it can only back up whole drives, not individual files or directories) is actually its greatest strength. The key is understanding that Windows Backup is conceptually closer to Norton Ghost than to NTBackup. By the way, that change is something many of the other backup vendors are also making. Because Windows Backup goes down to the sector or block level, it can back up basically anything that is on your hard disk - Exchange, SQL Server, virtual machines, registries, active directory, junction points, case-sensitive files, files with multiple data streams, and all those other pesky things that needed special handling in NTBackup. It can also back up only a few changed blocks from right in the middle of a large file. You can still download a read-only version of NTBackup. This is intended to read existing .bkf files from earlier versions of Windows, but it cannot create .bkf files. -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hi, On Wed, 12 May 2010, Kevin Keane wrote: Because Windows Backup goes down to the sector or block level, it can back up basically anything that is on your hard disk - Exchange, SQL Server, virtual machines, registries, active directory, junction points, case-sensitive files, files with multiple data streams, and all those other pesky things that needed special handling in NTBackup. It can also back up only a few changed blocks from right in the middle of a large file. So I guess the question in my mind is, how does this differ from Bacula, supposing you back up C:\, D:\, etc. using VSS? - It apparently can back up a patch to a changed file which Bacula doesn't currently. - It sounds like the restore method is more streamlined. In Bacula (I believe) you need to manually set up disk partitions, format NTFS and set up a bacula-fd, then restore onto the fresh NTFS partitions and update the MBR. This is tedious and a bit complex. Is there something that Bacula can't do here? Is the Bacula way likely to go wrong in some way? I'd just prefer not to have to deal with multiple different backup methods. One of the great joys of Bacula is that we now have a single backup system which we can teach any sysadmin to use and he knows how to restore files, regardless of the platform. Gavin -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Yes that´s true. For that reason, i think, It is very interesting that people share their experience about Windows 2008. I have mixed systems, linux centos, RedHat, Debian, windows 2000, Windows 2003 and now , of course, windows 2008. I think that this is the situation of many people and is very interesting to define best practices about bacula and Windows 2008. I don´t want to deal with different backup systems for each OS. This is my behavior on Windows 2008 with bacula: 1. On monthly basis (or when i have enough time :-P): Windows backup to external storage (Full backup, all drives). 2. On weekly basis: System state backup using wbadmin to local server disks 3. Daily: Using bacula, Monday to Saturday incremental, Sunday differential. First Sunday each two months, full backup. This is my configuration for non file-role server. I hope that this is enough in case a disaster recovery. If someone knows how to eliminate external steps (regarding Windows and wbadmin backups), or add something else, please share here!! On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 1:38 PM, Gavin McCullagh gavin.mccull...@gcd.iewrote: Hi, On Wed, 12 May 2010, Kevin Keane wrote: Because Windows Backup goes down to the sector or block level, it can back up basically anything that is on your hard disk - Exchange, SQL Server, virtual machines, registries, active directory, junction points, case-sensitive files, files with multiple data streams, and all those other pesky things that needed special handling in NTBackup. It can also back up only a few changed blocks from right in the middle of a large file. So I guess the question in my mind is, how does this differ from Bacula, supposing you back up C:\, D:\, etc. using VSS? - It apparently can back up a patch to a changed file which Bacula doesn't currently. - It sounds like the restore method is more streamlined. In Bacula (I believe) you need to manually set up disk partitions, format NTFS and set up a bacula-fd, then restore onto the fresh NTFS partitions and update the MBR. This is tedious and a bit complex. Is there something that Bacula can't do here? Is the Bacula way likely to go wrong in some way? I'd just prefer not to have to deal with multiple different backup methods. One of the great joys of Bacula is that we now have a single backup system which we can teach any sysadmin to use and he knows how to restore files, regardless of the platform. Gavin -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 09:51 +1000, James Harper wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - So are we saying with VSS support in bacula switched on you can backup windows 2008 including the system state, and more importantly can you restore the system state during a full restore. anyone done this can confirm it works it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. Sent from my iPhone On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
I am doing a Windows 2008 backup with vss support enabled. The system state is backed up using wbadmin utility and then saved to bacula. Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i make a backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i am very interesting in how to solve it... On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:11 AM, Michael Da Cova mdac...@equiinet.comwrote: On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 09:51 +1000, James Harper wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - So are we saying with VSS support in bacula switched on you can backup windows 2008 including the system state, and more importantly can you restore the system state during a full restore. anyone done this can confirm it works it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. Sent from my iPhone On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 09:51:52AM +1000, James Harper wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. So, to get a backup with Windows 2008 that includes the system state, you need to set a flag on the writer. Do you know how to set that flag? Sent from my iPhone On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On 05/11/10 10:04 AM, Graham Keeling wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 09:51:52AM +1000, James Harper wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. So, to get a backup with Windows 2008 that includes the system state, you need to set a flag on the writer. Do you know how to set that flag? wbadmin can do system state backups - you do not need to set any VSS flags for that : wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backuptarget:C: -quiet If you are storing your system state backup on C you'll need to apply the reg fix as pointed out in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944530 first. Simply put, Windows programs can register as 'VSS writers' and then get informed whenever a VSS snapshot is requested and act on that. Sent from my iPhone On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keanesubscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael -- Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards Henrik Johansen hen...@scannet.dk Tlf. 75 53 35 00 ScanNet Group A/S ScanNet -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, 11 May 2010 01:51:52 +0200, James Harper james.har...@bendigoit.com.au wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. Does this also go for W2K3 now, i.e. is this a feature of Bacula 5.x, or of W2K8? At least I haven't succeeded in backing up junction points properly under W2K3 yet (e.g. .net dirs), they are backed up as physical files and on a restore replace junction points (and therefore probably break stuff on an update). My understanding so far was that it's best to manually reinstall .net (and any other similar stuff) for this reason. -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
|-Original Message- |From: Henrik Johansen [mailto:hen...@scannet.dk] |Sent: 11 May 2010 9:11 AM |To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net |Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup | |On 05/11/10 10:04 AM, Graham Keeling wrote: | On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 09:51:52AM +1000, James Harper wrote: | With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system | state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction | points perfectly. | | So, to get a backup with Windows 2008 that includes the system state, you |need | to set a flag on the writer. | Do you know how to set that flag? | |wbadmin can do system state backups - you do not need to set any VSS |flags for that : | |wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backuptarget:C: -quiet | |If you are storing your system state backup on C you'll need to apply |the reg fix as pointed out in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944530 first. | |Simply put, Windows programs can register as 'VSS writers' and then get |informed whenever a VSS snapshot is requested and act on that. [MDC] Thanks for the above very useful, just need to confirm that Bacula cannot do a system state backup just using VSS | | | Sent from my iPhone | | On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keanesubscript...@kkeane.com wrote: | | There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows | 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula | handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 | relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. | | I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to | back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. | | -Original Message- | From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] | Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM | To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net | Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup | | Hi | | anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore | windows | 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS | | Michael | | |-- |Med venlig hilsen / Best Regards | |Henrik Johansen |hen...@scannet.dk |Tlf. 75 53 35 00 | |ScanNet Group |A/S ScanNet | |--- |--- | |___ |Bacula-users mailing list |Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net |https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i make a backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i am very interesting in how to solve it... What are the warnings? Is it the one about 'different filesystem'? James -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hello
I use this little script on weekly basis before bacula backup
wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -keepVersions:0 -quiet
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -quiet
Wbadmin saves several system states, and in my case with the last one is
engouh (Bacula store several copies)
Regarding the error/warning on junction points. Bacula tries to backup
folders that not fisically exists.
In the Job log i can see error/warnings like this (with VSS enabled):
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/AppData/Local/Temporary Internet Files: ERR=Access is
denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Application Data: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Cookies: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Music: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Pictures: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Videos: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Local Settings: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/My Documents: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NetHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT: ERR=A required privilege is not held by the
client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/ntuser.dat.LOG1: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TM.blf:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TMContainer0001.regtrans-ms:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/PrintHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Recent: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/SendTo: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Start Menu: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Templates: ERR=Access is denied.
I have checked that c:\users is saved correctly (is the correct folder
name),then i think that is a bug in bacula (is noisy, because job finish
status is no ok).
I have no time to make a full restore and i don´t know if with a Bacula
backup and windows System State is possible on windows 2008. I am very
grateful if someone that test it post his conclusions.
Regards
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, James Harper
james.har...@bendigoit.com.au wrote:
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i
make a
backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i
am
very interesting in how to solve it...
What are the warnings? Is it the one about 'different filesystem'?
James
--
___
Bacula-users mailing list
Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hi all
Sorry for the top post, and thanks for replying so far but I just need a
simple question answered if you don't mind
Does Bacula with VSS support on backup windows 2008 system state
Michael
_
From: Koldo Santisteban [mailto:ksantiste...@gmail.com]
Sent: 11 May 2010 11:50 AM
To: James Harper
Cc: mdac...@equiinet.com; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hello
I use this little script on weekly basis before bacula backup
wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -keepVersions:0 -quiet
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -quiet
Wbadmin saves several system states, and in my case with the last one is
engouh (Bacula store several copies)
Regarding the error/warning on junction points. Bacula tries to backup
folders that not fisically exists.
In the Job log i can see error/warnings like this (with VSS enabled):
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/AppData/Local/Temporary Internet Files: ERR=Access is
denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Application Data: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Cookies: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Music: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Pictures: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Videos: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Local Settings: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/My Documents: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NetHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT: ERR=A required privilege is not held by the
client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/ntuser.dat.LOG1: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TM.blf:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TMContain
er0001.regtrans-ms: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/PrintHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Recent: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/SendTo: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Start Menu: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Templates: ERR=Access is denied.
I have checked that c:\users is saved correctly (is the correct folder
name),then i think that is a bug in bacula (is noisy, because job finish
status is no ok).
I have no time to make a full restore and i don´t know if with a Bacula
backup and windows System State is possible on windows 2008. I am very
grateful if someone that test it post his conclusions.
Regards
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, James Harper
james.har...@bendigoit.com.au mailto:james.har...@bendigoit.com.au
wrote:
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i make
a
backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i am
very interesting in how to solve it...
What are the warnings? Is it the one about 'different filesystem'?
James
--
___
Bacula-users mailing list
Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
No,
As you can see in my last mail, you need to run scripts before bacula
backup. In Windows 2003 too.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Michael Da Cova mdac...@equiinet.comwrote:
Hi all
Sorry for the top post, and thanks for replying so far but I just need a
simple question answered if you don’t mind
Does Bacula with VSS support on backup windows 2008 system state
Michael
--
*From:* Koldo Santisteban [mailto:ksantiste...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 11 May 2010 11:50 AM
*To:* James Harper
*Cc:* mdac...@equiinet.com; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
*Subject:* Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hello
I use this little script on weekly basis before bacula backup
wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -keepVersions:0 -quiet
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -quiet
Wbadmin saves several system states, and in my case with the last one is
engouh (Bacula store several copies)
Regarding the error/warning on junction points. Bacula tries to backup
folders that not fisically exists.
In the Job log i can see error/warnings like this (with VSS enabled):
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/AppData/Local/Temporary Internet Files: ERR=Access is
denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Application Data: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Cookies: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Music: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Pictures: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Videos: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Local Settings: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/My Documents: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NetHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT: ERR=A required privilege is not held by the
client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/ntuser.dat.LOG1: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TM.blf:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TMContainer0001.regtrans-ms:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/PrintHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Recent: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/SendTo: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Start Menu: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Templates: ERR=Access is denied.
I have checked that c:\users is saved correctly (is the correct folder
name),then i think that is a bug in bacula (is noisy, because job finish
status is no ok).
I have no time to make a full restore and i don´t know if with a Bacula
backup and windows System State is possible on windows 2008. I am very
grateful if someone that test it post his conclusions.
Regards
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, James Harper
james.har...@bendigoit.com.au wrote:
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i
make a
backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i
am
very interesting in how to solve it...
What are the warnings? Is it the one about 'different filesystem'?
James
--
___
Bacula-users mailing list
Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, 11 May 2010 11:15:28 +0200, Foo said: On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:51:33 +0200, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. My experience so far mirrors yours but others are apparently disagreeing. I'm getting confused :) wbadmin GUI has options for selecting 'system state' and unselecting drive letters, except it didn't work for me (canceled after it had started including 6+ files). This seems to agree with you on including everything, but I don't understand the point of system state then, or of being able to unselect C:. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. Is the result of that a monolothic blob like W2K3's ntbackup .bkf or single files? If it's a monolithic blob, Bacula can't do incrementals anymore. If it's single files, you would have to keep them around for incrementals and basically waste twice as much space everywhere, not to mention whatever problems junctions points becoming files presents. Whatever it may be, it just seems pointless. You might want to consider having two backups, for different purposes. Use a Windows full backup for disaster recovery and Full+Incremental Bacula backups for per-file recovery. __Martin -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 01:58:07PM +0200, Koldo Santisteban wrote:
No,
As you can see in my last mail, you need to run scripts before bacula
backup. In Windows 2003 too.
So what is the flag that James Harper was talking about?
With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system
state backup - it's a flag on the writer.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Michael Da Cova mdac...@equiinet.comwrote:
Hi all
Sorry for the top post, and thanks for replying so far but I just need a
simple question answered if you don’t mind
Does Bacula with VSS support on backup windows 2008 system state
Michael
--
*From:* Koldo Santisteban [mailto:ksantiste...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 11 May 2010 11:50 AM
*To:* James Harper
*Cc:* mdac...@equiinet.com; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
*Subject:* Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hello
I use this little script on weekly basis before bacula backup
wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -keepVersions:0 -quiet
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -quiet
Wbadmin saves several system states, and in my case with the last one is
engouh (Bacula store several copies)
Regarding the error/warning on junction points. Bacula tries to backup
folders that not fisically exists.
In the Job log i can see error/warnings like this (with VSS enabled):
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/AppData/Local/Temporary Internet Files: ERR=Access is
denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Application Data: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Cookies: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Music: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Pictures: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Videos: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Local Settings: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/My Documents: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NetHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT: ERR=A required privilege is not held by the
client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/ntuser.dat.LOG1: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TM.blf:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TMContainer0001.regtrans-ms:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/PrintHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Recent: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/SendTo: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Start Menu: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Templates: ERR=Access is denied.
I have checked that c:\users is saved correctly (is the correct folder
name),then i think that is a bug in bacula (is noisy, because job finish
status is no ok).
I have no time to make a full restore and i don´t know if with a Bacula
backup and windows System State is possible on windows 2008. I am very
grateful if someone that test it post his conclusions.
Regards
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, James Harper
james.har...@bendigoit.com.au wrote:
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i
make a
backup with bacula, i don´t know how to avoid this and ,like Michael, i
am
very interesting in how to solve it...
What are the warnings? Is it the one about 'different filesystem'?
James
--
___
Bacula-users mailing list
Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
https
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Huuum
I want to hear about this option too. On bacula manual i can´t find any info
regarding it...
I think that James refer to
Enable VSS = yes
But this option allows a hot copy on windows...
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:50 PM, Graham Keeling gra...@equiinet.com wrote:
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 01:58:07PM +0200, Koldo Santisteban wrote:
No,
As you can see in my last mail, you need to run scripts before bacula
backup. In Windows 2003 too.
So what is the flag that James Harper was talking about?
With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system
state backup - it's a flag on the writer.
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Michael Da Cova mdac...@equiinet.com
wrote:
Hi all
Sorry for the top post, and thanks for replying so far but I just need
a
simple question answered if you don’t mind
Does Bacula with VSS support on backup windows 2008 system state
Michael
--
*From:* Koldo Santisteban [mailto:ksantiste...@gmail.com]
*Sent:* 11 May 2010 11:50 AM
*To:* James Harper
*Cc:* mdac...@equiinet.com; bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net
*Subject:* Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Hello
I use this little script on weekly basis before bacula backup
wbadmin delete systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -keepVersions:0
-quiet
wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backupTarget:e: -quiet
Wbadmin saves several system states, and in my case with the last one
is
engouh (Bacula store several copies)
Regarding the error/warning on junction points. Bacula tries to backup
folders that not fisically exists.
In the Job log i can see error/warnings like this (with VSS enabled):
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/AppData/Local/Temporary Internet Files: ERR=Access
is
denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Application Data: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Cookies: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Music: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Pictures: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Documents/My Videos: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Local Settings: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/My Documents: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NetHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT: ERR=A required privilege is not held by
the
client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/ntuser.dat.LOG1: ERR=A required privilege is not
held by
the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TM.blf:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Cannot open c:/Documents and
Settings/username/NTUSER.DAT{7d5ec63a-c5bc-11dc-a02b-0019bbe6a65a}.TMContainer0001.regtrans-ms:
ERR=A required privilege is not held by the client.
.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/PrintHood: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Recent: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/SendTo: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Start Menu: ERR=Access is denied.
servername JobId 643: Could not open directory c:/Documents and
Settings/username/Templates: ERR=Access is denied.
I have checked that c:\users is saved correctly (is the correct folder
name),then i think that is a bug in bacula (is noisy, because job
finish
status is no ok).
I have no time to make a full restore and i don´t know if with a Bacula
backup and windows System State is possible on windows 2008. I am very
grateful if someone that test it post his conclusions.
Regards
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 12:15 PM, James Harper
james.har...@bendigoit.com.au wrote:
Regarding the junction points, i have hundred of warnings each time i
make a
backup
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 01:58:07PM +0200, Koldo Santisteban wrote: No, As you can see in my last mail, you need to run scripts before bacula backup. In Windows 2003 too. So what is the flag that James Harper was talking about? With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. That was in regard to VSS, not bacula. Someone stated that the VSS API could not be used to perform a system state backup. Each VSS writer has a flag on it that says whether it forms part of the system state. James -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
On Tue, 11 May 2010 14:30:09 +0200, Martin Simmons mar...@lispworks.com wrote: You might want to consider having two backups, for different purposes. Use a Windows full backup for disaster recovery and Full+Incremental Bacula backups for per-file recovery. We already have ADS for disaster recovery for W2K3, if it also supports W2K8 it would be a better idea. Or just plain dd as far as I'm concerned :) The point is to integrate this into the regular Bacula framework and schedules, so I either need something like ntbackup which extends Bacula in just the right way or something that can completely replace it. If it's just not possible for W2K8 maybe a different backup product is a better solution. -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
Yes, that´s true. But it makes very complicate to maintain backups with Windows 2008 and Bacula. Wih windows 2003 a system state backup and a bacula backup a full restore was possible. Foo, could you explain wich product is ADS?? is open source? On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 2:30 PM, Martin Simmons mar...@lispworks.comwrote: On Tue, 11 May 2010 11:15:28 +0200, Foo said: On Mon, 10 May 2010 19:51:33 +0200, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. My experience so far mirrors yours but others are apparently disagreeing. I'm getting confused :) wbadmin GUI has options for selecting 'system state' and unselecting drive letters, except it didn't work for me (canceled after it had started including 6+ files). This seems to agree with you on including everything, but I don't understand the point of system state then, or of being able to unselect C:. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. Is the result of that a monolothic blob like W2K3's ntbackup .bkf or single files? If it's a monolithic blob, Bacula can't do incrementals anymore. If it's single files, you would have to keep them around for incrementals and basically waste twice as much space everywhere, not to mention whatever problems junctions points becoming files presents. Whatever it may be, it just seems pointless. You might want to consider having two backups, for different purposes. Use a Windows full backup for disaster recovery and Full+Incremental Bacula backups for per-file recovery. __Martin -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
-Original Message- I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. Is the result of that a monolothic blob like W2K3's ntbackup .bkf or single files? If it's a monolithic blob, Bacula can't do incrementals anymore. If it's single files, you would have to keep them around for incrementals and basically waste twice as much space everywhere, not to mention whatever problems junctions points becoming files presents. Whatever it may be, it just seems pointless. The result consists of a few files and directories. The actual backup is done into a .VHD file (i.e., the same file Microsoft uses for virtual machines). It is indeed a monolithic blob. Based on that, I'm assuming that the various backups are simply snapshots of this virtual hard disk. You are right about the no incrementals. -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
-Original Message- From: Henrik Johansen [mailto:hen...@scannet.dk] Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 1:11 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup On 05/11/10 10:04 AM, Graham Keeling wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 09:51:52AM +1000, James Harper wrote: With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. So, to get a backup with Windows 2008 that includes the system state, you need to set a flag on the writer. Do you know how to set that flag? wbadmin can do system state backups - you do not need to set any VSS flags for that : wbadmin start systemstatebackup -backuptarget:C: -quiet If you are storing your system state backup on C you'll need to apply the reg fix as pointed out in http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944530 first. Simply put, Windows programs can register as 'VSS writers' and then get informed whenever a VSS snapshot is requested and act on that. The system state in Windows 2008 is really the whole C: drive plus a little extra information (I assume, boot sectors or the like). So when you do this system state backup, you are basically backing up drive C: to itself. That is why it is disabled by default. Secondly, backing up to a drive letter or a network share is really not a good idea. EVERY backup will be a full backup. When you let Windows use a dedicated backup hard disk, Windows Backup will only back up changes after the first full backup. IOW, every backup except the first is incremental. That is why the schedule backup does not support backing up to directories. -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
Re: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup
With full VSS support, VSS defines the files that make up the system state backup - it's a flag on the writer. Bacula handles junction points perfectly. Sent from my iPhone On 11/05/2010, at 4:13, Kevin Keane subscript...@kkeane.com wrote: There is no such thing as system state backup any more in Windows 2008. It's always the whole C: drive. I'm not sure how well bacula handles it in the end. There also is the issue that Windows 2008 relies heavily on junction points, which bacula doesn't handle well. I'm using Windows backup to an iSCSI drive, and then use bacula to back up a snapshot of that iSCSI volume. -Original Message- From: Michael Da Cova [mailto:mdac...@equiinet.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2010 9:47 AM To: bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Bacula-users] Windows 2008/2008r2 Server backup Hi anyone have any tips recommendation on how to backup and restore windows 2008 system state, do you need to if using VSS Michael --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users --- --- --- - ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users -- ___ Bacula-users mailing list Bacula-users@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/bacula-users
