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2004-06-16 Thread Mark A. Foster
Please ignore. I am just testing a change I made to one of the settings.

Mark A. Foster * http://markfoster.net
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Re: Freedom of Religion

2004-06-16 Thread Eric Sloan
Where in the Quoran does it say "kill the infidel wherever you find him". 
It doesn't come up in Ocean.
Thanks
Mike
S 9:5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the 
Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait 
for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish 
regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: 
for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

S. 9:5 must be read in its context, the Pagans broke the peace treaty and 
attempted to expel the Prophet Muhammad from Medina. Sura 9:13 explains 
this:

S 9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel 
the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? 
Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye 
believe!

Here are some Ayat's that put certain questionable commands to kill in 
perspective:

S. 60:8 Allah does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight 
you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may 
befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

S. 4:90  Therefore, if they leave you alone, refrain from fighting 
you, and offer you peace, then Allah gives you no excuse to fight them.

S. 8:61 If they resort to peace, so shall you, and put your trust in GOD. He 
is the Hearer, the Omniscient.


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Re: Freedom of Religion

2004-06-16 Thread Iskandar Hai, M.D.
Read the ninth Chapter of the Quran, Michael. I think is should be there.

Warmest regards, 
Iskandar

On Wed, 16 Jun 2004, Michael Alcorn wrote:

> Dear Susan,
> Where in the Quoran does it say "kill the infidel wherever you find him". It doesn't 
> come up in Ocean.
> Thanks
> Mike


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Re: Freedom of Religion

2004-06-16 Thread Michael Alcorn



Dear Susan,
Where in the Quoran does it say "kill the infidel 
wherever you find him". It doesn't come up in Ocean.
Thanks
Mike

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  In a message dated 6/15/2004 9:44:20 PM Eastern 
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  writes:
  Does this mean that some Muslims believe that human 
understandingis more authoritative than the Qur'an?  If they 
believe that any verse of theQur'an can be abrogated because of worldly 
circumstance, then they believethat all verses of the Qur'an are subject 
to abrogation, based on human interpretation.Dear Tim, That is 
  certainly not what they would say they were doing. What they do is take the 
  verse "kill the infidel wherever you find him" which was revealed later, as 
  abrogating "let there be no compulsion in religion." But let me stress, only 
  some Muslims do this. warmest, Susan 
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