Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I used the word priest because I dont want to sound finger pointing. ie its more generic. Also that and im a slacker when it comes to word usages 0: __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548871-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, the Bahai Faith has Imams, (at least in the narrowest sense). On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 2:47 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv But Islam has Mullahs, Moftis, Akhunds, Ayatollahs, Imams, etc. They are sort of priests. Not exactly. There is a difference between a cleric and a priest. A cleric can be any kind of religious functionary but a priest performs sacrifices and serves as a mediator between God and the people. That's not allowed in Islam. Also, Christian priests are typically ordained and so they form a special class of people who can carry out certain rituals. But in Islam, there is no ritual that can't be done by adults who know what they are doing (weddings, leading daily prayers, funeral prayers, entering Islam, etc.) __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548875-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, the Bahai Faith has Imams, (at least in the narrowest sense). I would take the 'narrowest sense' to mean those who lead the salat. Our salat is performed individually, not in congregation. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548879-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv When I say narrowest sense I meant the 11/12 people who according to the Bahai Faith / 12-er Shiism were the authentic successors of Muhammad (saaws). On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Also, the Bahai Faith has Imams, (at least in the narrowest sense). I would take the 'narrowest sense' to mean those who lead the salat. Our salat is performed individually, not in congregation. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548879-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548887-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24/12/2010 2:47 PM, Susan Maneck wrote: Generally speaking it has not been the clerics who have been encouraging acts of terrorism. Bin Laden, for instance is not an Imam by profession, he was a building contractor. Indeed, a lot of the jihadists despise the traditional 'ulama. In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. regards, Firouz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548889-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Is there a specific ayatollah who has said it is permissible to attack non-combatant civilians in jihad? On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Firouz fir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24/12/2010 2:47 PM, Susan Maneck wrote: Generally speaking it has not been the clerics who have been encouraging acts of terrorism. Bin Laden, for instance is not an Imam by profession, he was a building contractor. Indeed, a lot of the jihadists despise the traditional 'ulama. In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. regards, Firouz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548889-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548890-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv When I say narrowest sense I meant the 11/12 people who according to the Bahai Faith / 12-er Shiism were the authentic successors of Muhammad (saaws). Ah, in this case I was using the term imam in the broader meaning of a prayer leader. I would not consider the 12 Imams or the Guardian to be clerics in the usual sense. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548892-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Khomeni and Khamenei. They have issued fatwa on the head of Salman Rushdie and some other guys. Some Iranian opposition were killed by their fatwas both in Iran and Europe. These are acts of terrorism. During Iran/Iraq war, Khomeni and Rafsanjani issued some fatwas against Iraq and Iraqis, I cannot remember the details. Firouz On 24/12/2010 10:28 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Is there a specific ayatollah who has said it is permissible to attack non-combatant civilians in jihad? On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Firouzfir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24/12/2010 2:47 PM, Susan Maneck wrote: Generally speaking it has not been the clerics who have been encouraging acts of terrorism. Bin Laden, for instance is not an Imam by profession, he was a building contractor. Indeed, a lot of the jihadists despise the traditional 'ulama. In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. regards, Firouz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548889-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:fir...@thai-bahais.org Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548890-51117.0c33fa62beb7a768b168eeaa91e9a...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3334 - Release Date: 12/23/10 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548894-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting historical note is that Tamil Tigers were actually the modern pioneers of the suicide attack. But yes, definitions of terrorism can be sticky and conversations can get sloppy if things aren't defined carefully. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. I think we need to be careful about our terminology here. As Gilberto rightly points out terrorism is the deliberate targeting of civilians and not at all the same thing as calling for a jihad. Shi'ites were the first to use suicide bombings which is now so intimately associated with acts of terrorism, but keep in mind that the original target of the the suicide bombing was a military, not a civilian target (the US Marine base.) __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548893-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548895-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting historical note is that Tamil Tigers were actually the modern pioneers of the suicide attack. The suicide bombing of the Marine base was in 1983. The Tamil Tiger's assassinated Rajiv Gandhi via a suicide attack in 1991. I don't recall anything before then. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548896-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Without attempting to justify the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, saying that a specific individual is guilty of a crime and should be punished (even executed) is different from terrorism. Or are you willing to say that the US is terrorist for going after al-Awlaki? Or anytime it applies the death penalty? Also, especially if you are talking about the context of the Iran/Iraq war I would hope you could be more specific in order to distinguish between warfare and terrorism. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Firouz fir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Khomeni and Khamenei. They have issued fatwa on the head of Salman Rushdie and some other guys. Some Iranian opposition were killed by their fatwas both in Iran and Europe. These are acts of terrorism. During Iran/Iraq war, Khomeni and Rafsanjani issued some fatwas against Iraq and Iraqis, I cannot remember the details. Firouz On 24/12/2010 10:28 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Is there a specific ayatollah who has said it is permissible to attack non-combatant civilians in jihad? On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Firouzfir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24/12/2010 2:47 PM, Susan Maneck wrote: Generally speaking it has not been the clerics who have been encouraging acts of terrorism. Bin Laden, for instance is not an Imam by profession, he was a building contractor. Indeed, a lot of the jihadists despise the traditional 'ulama. In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. regards, Firouz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548889-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:fir...@thai-bahais.org Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548890-51117.0c33fa62beb7a768b168eeaa91e9a...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3334 - Release Date: 12/23/10 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548894-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548897-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Khomeni and Khamenei. They have issued fatwa on the head of Salman Rushdie and some other guys. Putting a 'hit' out on someone isn't exactly the same thing as terrorism which I think of as more an attack on civilians as such rather than targeting an individual. Of course most Muslims regard aerial bombing as an act of terrorism and Iran and Iraq both engaged in this during the war. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548898-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv In any case, a higher proportion of Muslims disapprove of terrorism under any circumstances than do Americans. This according to Gallup Polls. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Gilberto Simpson gilberto.simp...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Without attempting to justify the fatwa against Salman Rushdie, saying that a specific individual is guilty of a crime and should be punished (even executed) is different from terrorism. Or are you willing to say that the US is terrorist for going after al-Awlaki? Or anytime it applies the death penalty? Also, especially if you are talking about the context of the Iran/Iraq war I would hope you could be more specific in order to distinguish between warfare and terrorism. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Firouz fir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Khomeni and Khamenei. They have issued fatwa on the head of Salman Rushdie and some other guys. Some Iranian opposition were killed by their fatwas both in Iran and Europe. These are acts of terrorism. During Iran/Iraq war, Khomeni and Rafsanjani issued some fatwas against Iraq and Iraqis, I cannot remember the details. Firouz On 24/12/2010 10:28 PM, Gilberto Simpson wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Is there a specific ayatollah who has said it is permissible to attack non-combatant civilians in jihad? On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 10:24 AM, Firouzfir...@thai-bahais.org wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv On 24/12/2010 2:47 PM, Susan Maneck wrote: Generally speaking it has not been the clerics who have been encouraging acts of terrorism. Bin Laden, for instance is not an Imam by profession, he was a building contractor. Indeed, a lot of the jihadists despise the traditional 'ulama. In Shia Islam it seems those are the clergies (ayattolahs) who have issued fatwas for Jehad and other terrorism acts. And I think in general Shia clergies are much more powerful than their Sunni counterparts. regards, Firouz __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548889-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:fir...@thai-bahais.org Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548890-51117.0c33fa62beb7a768b168eeaa91e9a...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3334 - Release Date: 12/23/10 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548894-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:sman...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548897-738796.0f462312a2f7bdde70e0bbead78e3...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public -
Re: respect for prophets (Unity of Prophets) Gilberto and Naison Jones's interesting exchange
The Baha'i Studies Listserv According to Wikipedia the first suicide attack by the Tamil Tigers was in 1987. So yes,you are right that the Beruit bombing was earlier. Still many of the descriptions of the issue I've been finding give the Tamil Tigers credit for perfecting the suicide attack and inspiring others. On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 11:06 AM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv Interesting historical note is that Tamil Tigers were actually the modern pioneers of the suicide attack. The suicide bombing of the Marine base was in 1983. The Tamil Tiger's assassinated Rajiv Gandhi via a suicide attack in 1991. I don't recall anything before then. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548896-68452.e157d5dc5efabb63696f251595c88...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548900-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
The Covenant protects the Baha'i Faith from schism
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A new posting on the protecting power of the Covenant. Feel free to share. http://bahai-covenant.blogspot.com/2010/12/covenant-protects-from-schism.html Brent __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548903-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
The Covenant protects the Baha'i Faith from schism
The Baha'i Studies Listserv A new posting on the protecting power of the Covenant. Feel free to share the link to my Covenant blog. http://bahai-covenant.blogspot.com/2010/12/covenant-protects-from-schism.html Brent __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-548905-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
