Re: since when there have been Manifestations/Prophets of God on this planet?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Since Adam is one, I'd guess and say since 3616 BCE. Also, only humans are Homo sapiens sapiens. All other are humanoid species. Yes, I said sapiens twice to indicate a specific subspecies. Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Hasan Elías wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > "Hominini is the tribe of Homininae that comprises Homo, and other members of > the human clade after the split from the tribe Panini (chimpanzees)". > Wikipedia > > These are the subtribes of Hominini: > Subtribe Australopithecina > Subtribe Hominina > > These are the genus of these subtribes: > Subtribe Australopithecina > Paranthropus > Australopithecus > Sahelanthropus > Orrorin > Ardipithecus > Kenyanthropus > Subtribe Hominina > Homo > > Two species compete to be the first of the genus "Homo", the Homo habilis > (2.3 million years ago) and the Homo gautengensis (1,9 million years ago). > > The genus Austrolopithecus lived 4.0 million years ago, some of these species > share its habitat with the first homo. > > 'Abdu'l-Bahá said in SAQ: > 1 "it is evident that man has a gift which the animal does not possess". > 2 "it is proved and verified that in man there is a power of discovery by > which he is distinguished from the animals, and this is the spirit of man". > 3 "while the individual appearance of these different beings is certain, it > is possible that man came into existence after the animal". > 4 "Man from the beginning was in this perfect form and composition, and > possessed capacity and aptitude for acquiring material and spiritual > perfections, and was the manifestation of these words, "We will make man in > Our image and likeness." [Cf. Gen. 1:26.] He has only become more pleasing, > more beautiful and more graceful. Civilization has brought him out of his > wild state, just as the wild fruits which are cultivated by a gardener become > finer, sweeter and acquire more freshness and delicacy." > 6 "The gardeners of the world of humanity are the Prophets of God". > 7 "it cannot be said there was a time when man was not. All that we can say > is that this terrestrial globe at one time did not exist, and at its > beginning man did not appear upon it". > 8 "from the beginning which has no beginning, to the end which has no end, a > Perfect Manifestation always exists. This Man of Whom we speak is not every > man; we mean the Perfect Man". > 9 "it cannot be imagined that the worlds of existence, whether the stars or > this earth, were once inhabited by the donkey, cow, mouse and cat, and that > they were without man!" > > According to the statements of 'Abdu'l-Bahá: > > Do you think that God send Manifestations of God/Prophet or some kind of > epyphany to Austrolopithecus? > > If that is true then Austrolopithecus could not be considered animals like > chimps or gorillas, so they have a rudimentary soul. > > What do you think? > > De: Hasan Elías > Para: Baha'i Studies > Enviado: Viernes, 7 de diciembre, 2012 5:01 P.M. > Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Hi all, > > Again, there is a speech of Mr. Hooper Dunbar, from 38'45'' onwards, where he > says: > > "Secondly, the Manifestation of God has a soul, but here the differences > between the Manifestation and the rest of us becomes apparent. He says that > the Soul of the Manifestation, different from the human soul which comes into > being at the moment of conception, that is it has a beginning but it has no > end, Manifestation's soul has had no begging is eternal with the creation of > God, and the souls of the Manifestations preexist in the world before they > descending at this world and take human form. Shoghi Effendi says we don't > know the nature, we don't know what was there, activity or condition. But > Their come from the realm (...) in one Table, He says that the Soul of the > Manifestation comes from the highest realm..." > > I'd very grateful if someone of you can quote or give links of that Tablet or > other writings, the article of Juan Cole, The Concept of the Manifestation of > God... don't give much light about the soul of the Manifestation, thanks. > > The audio is here http://bahai-library.com/dunbar_manifestation_god > > Hasan > > De: Gary Selchert > Para: Baha'i Studies > Enviado: Viernes, 24 de agosto, 2012 3:27 P.M. > Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Hi Hasan. My understanding of SAQ chapters 30 - 40 is imperfect. And my > understanding of your questions is imperfect. If your questions can be > answered in ordinary language however, I think SAQ chapters 30 - 40 and > Kitab-i-Iqan part 2 is where you will find those answers. > > The language 'Abdu'l-Baha uses in SAQ ch. 39 leads me to believe however that > the individual human spirit/rational soul of the Manifestation becomes a holy > reality when enveloped and
Re: Aqdasi and Qurati or Ayani
The Baha'i Studies Listserv http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letters_of_the_Living http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Táhirih I find Wikipedia to be helpful, but says nothing on this particular topic. Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Don Calkins wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > As I remember, she was the focus of a group who tho't she should proclaim > herself the successor to Siyyid Kazim, just as there were around several > other of his leading followers. Most of them ultimately became not only > Babi's but Letters of the Living. The most notable exception being Karim > Khan Kirmani, who had, I believe, already left town and established himself > in Kirman. > > There was also a web page or blog at one time dedicated to Tahirih, which as > I remember is or was reminiscent of the devotion Catholics give to their > saints. I think Qurratis/Ayanis might have been applied to that page. > > But none of this justifies a claim that she has been the focus of a > contemporary religion, denomination or sect. > > Don C > > On Dec 12, 2012, at 2:17 11PM, Susan Maneck wrote: > >> In a way Tahirih was the successor of Siyyid Kazim Rashti. She moved >> into his house after his passing and taught classes in his home. But >> there is no sect centered around her. > > > --- > It doesn't matter whether the sun shines if you never go outside. > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-679032-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: since when there have been Manifestations/Prophets of God on this planet?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Thanks for answer Stephen. But Homo Sapiens is just one specie of the genus homo, we have other species like the Neanderthal. Austrolophitecus are animals? Cheers. Hasan De: Stephen Kent Gray Para: Baha'i Studies Enviado: Jueves, 13 de diciembre, 2012 1:13 P.M. Asunto: Re: since when there have been Manifestations/Prophets of God on this planet? The Baha'i Studies Listserv Since Adam is one, I'd guess and say since 3616 BCE. Also, only humans are Homo sapiens sapiens. All other are humanoid species. Yes, I said sapiens twice to indicate a specific subspecies. Sent from my iPad On Dec 12, 2012, at 4:35 PM, Hasan Elías wrote: >The Baha'i Studies Listserv >"Hominini is the tribe of Homininae that comprises Homo, and other members of >the human clade after the split from the tribe Panini (chimpanzees)". Wikipedia > > >These are the subtribes of Hominini: >Subtribe Australopithecina >Subtribe Hominina > > >These are the genus of these subtribes: >Subtribe Australopithecina >Paranthropus >Australopithecus >Sahelanthropus >Orrorin >Ardipithecus >Kenyanthropus >Subtribe Hominina >Homo > > >Two species compete to be the first of the genus "Homo", the Homo habilis (2.3 >million years ago) and the Homo gautengensis (1,9 million years ago). > > >The genus Austrolopithecus lived 4.0 million years ago, some of these species >share its habitat with the first homo. > > >'Abdu'l-Bahá said in SAQ: >1 "it is evident that man has a gift which the animal does not possess". >2 "it is proved and verified that in man there is a power of discovery by >which he is distinguished from the animals, and this is the spirit of man". >3 "while the individual appearance of these different beings is certain, it is >possible that man came into existence after the animal". >4 "Man from the beginning was in this perfect form and composition, and >possessed capacity and aptitude for acquiring material and spiritual >perfections, and was the manifestation of these words, "We will make man in >Our image and likeness." [Cf. Gen. 1:26.] He has only become more pleasing, >more beautiful and more graceful. Civilization has brought him out of his wild >state, just as the wild fruits which are cultivated by a gardener become >finer, sweeter and acquire more freshness and delicacy." >6 "The gardeners of the world of humanity are the Prophets of God". >7 "it cannot be said there was a time when man was not. All that we can say is >that this terrestrial globe at one time did not exist, and at its beginning >man did not appear upon it". >8 "from the beginning which has no beginning, to the end which has no end, a >Perfect Manifestation always exists. This Man of Whom we speak is not every >man; we mean the Perfect Man". >9 "it cannot be imagined that the worlds of existence, whether the stars or >this earth, were once inhabited by the donkey, cow, mouse and cat, and that >they were without man!" > > >According to the statements of 'Abdu'l-Bahá: > > >Do you think that God send Manifestations of God/Prophet or some kind of >epyphany to Austrolopithecus? > > >If that is true then Austrolopithecus could not be considered animals like >chimps or gorillas, so they have a rudimentary soul. > > >What do you think? > > > > > De: Hasan Elías >Para: Baha'i Studies >Enviado: Viernes, 7 de diciembre, 2012 5:01 P.M. >Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God > > > >The Baha'i Studies Listserv >Hi all, > >Again, there is a speech of Mr. Hooper Dunbar, from 38'45'' onwards, where he >says: > >"Secondly, the Manifestation of God has a soul, but here the differences >between the Manifestation and the rest of us becomes apparent. He says that >the Soul of the Manifestation, different from the human soul which comes into >being at the moment of conception, that is it has a beginning but it has no >end, Manifestation's soul has had no begging is eternal with the creation of >God, and the souls of the Manifestations preexist in the world before they >descending at this world and take human form. Shoghi Effendi says we don't >know the nature, we don't know what was there, activity or condition. But >Their come from the realm (...) in one Table, He says that the Soul of the >Manifestation comes from the highest realm..." > >I'd very grateful if someone of you can quote or give links of that Tablet or >other writings, the article of Juan Cole, The Concept of the Manifestation of >God... don't give much light about the soul of the Manifestation, thanks. > >The audio is here http://bahai-library.com/dunbar_manifestation_god > >Hasan >De: Gary Selchert >Para: Baha'i Studies >Enviado: Viernes, 24 de agosto, 2012 3:27 P.M. >Asunto: Re: soul of Manifestations of God > > > >The Baha'i Studies ListservHi Hasan. My understanding of SAQ chapters 30 - 40 >is imperfect. And my understanding of your questions is imperfect. If y
