Re: Archives
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Just found this in spam folder. Gmail thinks none of you in this thread are really you. Strange. I'm sorry to read the list is dead. I was enjoying it until that member seemed to hijack it. It got real quiet about then, it seemed. I've been a member only a few years & never thought about public/private , but I clearly remember knowing it was Open to non-bahai's. Kathryn On Wednesday, October 29, 2014, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Actually, non-Baha'is are not prohibited from joining this list. It is > private in that the moderators would typically approve of those who > wish to join. But we have never had a no-forwarding policy here and > never indicated that list members could have an expectation of > privacy. These were posts you made nearly a decade ago. I'm not sure > why they should be causing problems for you now. > > In any case, I was rather under the impression that this list had died > out completely. > > On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 10:01 AM, Firouz > > wrote: > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Dear Susan, > > > > If the archives were supposed to be public, then members should have been > > informed. But I don't understand why a mailing list should be private to > > Baha'is only but the archives should be public. This is nonsense. > > > > Best regards, > > Firouz > > > > > > On 29/10/2014 21:50, Susan Maneck wrote: > >> > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >> It is a private list in the sense you have you to join in order post, > >> but we do have public archives. I don't know if it is possible to > >> remove posts from it. I'm sending this to Mark Foster's various > >> addresses since he sets up these things. > >> > >> On Wed, Oct 29, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Firouz > wrote: > >>> > >>> The Baha'i Studies Listserv > >>> Dear All, > >>> > >>> I see that some of my earlier posts to Bahai-St is online, and everyone > >>> searching for my name could find those posts and read them. I thought > >>> posts > >>> in this Forum are just for the members of this Forum. > >>> > >>> Is there anyway to delete some mails from public archives? > >>> > >>> Best regards, > >>> Firouz > >>> > >>> > >>> __ > >>> You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:sman...@gmail.com > > >>> Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > >>> mailto: > leave-775492-738796.0f462312a2f7bdde70e0bbead78e3...@list.jccc.edu > > >>> Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > >>> ly...@list.jccc.edu > >>> Or subscribe: > >>> http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > >>> Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > >>> Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > >>> Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > >>> News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > >>> Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > >>> New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > >> > >> __ > >> You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:firo...@gmail.com > > >> Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > >> mailto: > leave-775508-51117.0c33fa62beb7a768b168eeaa91e9a...@list.jccc.edu > > >> Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > >> ly...@list.jccc.edu > >> Or subscribe: > >> http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > >> Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > >> Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > >> Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > >> News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > >> Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > >> New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > >> > > > > > > __ > > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:sman...@gmail.com > > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > > mailto: > leave-775512-738796.0f462312a2f7bdde70e0bbead78e3...@list.jccc.edu > > > > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > > ly...@list.jccc.edu > > Or subscribe: > > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-775567-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is avai
Re: List Status
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Excellent! I have missed it!! *Kathryn* *a wee mouse in the corner, soaking it all in* "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world." ~ Bahá’u’lláh "Example is not the main thing in influencing others. It is the only thing." ~ "Constant kindness can accomplish much. As the sun makes ice melt, kindness causes misunderstanding, mistrust and hostility to evaporate." ~ "Until he extends his circle of compassion to include all living things, man will not himself find peace." ~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 23:08, Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. < ow...@markalanfoster.com> wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Hi, folks: > > The list is back up. Since I will now be watching the list, I have taken it > off moderation. > > I am also "back" after many, many inner changes. > > > Mark A. Foster, Ph.D. > www.markfoster.net > ow...@markalanfoster.com > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-616489-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: God as Forgiver
The Baha'i Studies Listserv First, I have to note that you did not answer Iskandar's question. I have no source, either, but I do vaguely remember reading something to the effect that Islam will be forgotten in the future - I think it as referring to the suffering inflicted on The Bab, Babi's, Baha'u'llah and early Bahai's. >From whatever I read I did not get the impression that Muslims as a whole are not forgiven. The specific clerics who instigate in the abuse and continue to lead their people astray, perhaps . or perhaps not. Christ said that the only unforgivable sin is to deny the Holy Spirit. I think it was either Baha'u'llah or 'Abdu'l Baha who explained that this means to fail to recognize the current Manifestation. Again, I'm a terrible one for remembering sources, but I've also read that those who did not recognize Him during their lifetimes have another opportunity in the next world, and will be forgiven if sincerely repentant. It would be an outrageous God who consigns billions of people to hell simply because they were led astray by their leaders or never even heard of the current Manifestation. Second, as a former Scientologist, I have to ask why you insult the Quran, the bread on which Baha'u'llah was fed, by including it in the same thought as L. Ron Hubbard? I am offended.Surely, you can answer the question and cite your source without resorting to such childishly provocative insults? Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 11:53, wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > Iskandar, > > Muslims have to put away their Qurans, or at least put them on the shelf > with copies of L Ron Hubbard books. > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-549193-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-549195-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Oh, yes! I tend to forget that's at the front of the prayer book, just before the table of contents. That's certainly clear about the effect of reciting the prayers and Writings! As for the 2-block radius of Bahai homes, Susan is probably right that what I'm remembering is Kitab-i-Hearsay, but memories are tickling me. I have a sense it was based on something from the House of Justice and would have been about 2004-2005. The neighborhood I was living in then is associated with this memory. Oh, well, not important. Kathryn On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 14:15, wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > You may be referring to the following quotation from Baha'u'llah. There > is no mention of a two-block radius, but the prayer said "shall scatter > abroad the fragrance of the words uttered by his mouth, and shall cause the > heart of every righteous man to throb" > > "Intone, O My servant, the verses of God that have been received by thee, > as intoned by them who have drawn nigh unto Him, that the sweetness of thy > melody may kindle thine own soul, and attract the hearts of all men. Whoso > reciteth, in the privacy of his chamber, the verses revealed by God, the > scattering angels of the Almighty shall scatter abroad the fragrance of the > words uttered by his mouth, and shall cause the heart of every righteous man > to throb. Though he may, at first, remain unaware of its effect, yet the > virtue of the grace vouchsafed unto him must needs sooner or later exercise > its influence upon his soul. Thus have the mysteries of the Revelation of > God been decreed by virtue of the Will of Him Who is the Source of power and > wisdom. (Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'llah, p. 295) > > Loving regards, > Shirley > > In a message dated 12/15/2010 2:34:01 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com writes: > > I've often wondered how it is we determine which neighborhoods are > receptive. I vaguely remember something about "prayers having an > effect within a two-block radius of Bahai homes." I wondered how that was > determined, too. I enjoyed praying, hoping it's true. For 18 months I've > lived just outside the perimeter of a youth correctional facility. I've > prayed for those young men and the staff trying to help them. It will be > interesting to arrive in the next world and learn whether my > presence/prayers really had any effect. > > Kathryn > > > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-547006-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-547014-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Yes, Stephen, those are two I offer often. This is another favorite specifically mentioning parents: http://www.bahaiprayers.org/families2.htm I have several Bahai prayers books and some from other faiths also. I've just recently found that website and really, really appreciate it. When I'm here at the computer reading an email requesting prayers the website is so much faster than finding a prayer book. The beauty of the photographs helps me move quickly from my head to my heart. Have you found favorites among the prayers? Have you seen the prayer book for men? I gave it as a gift to a friend going through a difficult time, but he's never opened it, as far as I know. Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:48, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > http://www.bahaiprayers.org/protection7.htm > > > This is a prayer you specifically mentioned. > > Also, I assume by father you mean this prayer: > > http://www.bahaiprayers.org/families3.htm > > > The Long Healing Prayer and Short Healing Prayer are very common in the > healing department. > > http://www.bahaiprayers.org/healing2.htm > > http://www.bahaiprayers.org/healing6.htm > > > Also, there is the book Prayers & Meditatons. Do you get them from there > often? It has alot of the prayers for the website there, but some have yet > to be categoried. > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Darrah > *To:* Baha'i Studies > *Sent:* Wed, December 15, 2010 3:33:09 PM > > *Subject:* Re: How will they cope? > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Stephen, > > I pray every day, in one way or another. So many of the prayers fill me > that it would be impossible to say which are my favorites. I'm very > attached to the Bab's prayer in the shape of a pentacle. I also get great > comfort from the prayers for families, particularly parents as my mother > commited suicide when I was small and all the grandparents who reared me are > now in the next world. This prayer also facilitated the reunion with my > father and healed our relationship. There are phrases in some prayers that > echo through me but I couldn't find them if I wanted to. I guess the > prayers I offer most often are informal appeals for healing, assistance & > comfort and the prayers for the departed -- several times a day, as emails > arrive. > > I have no memory of where I heard that comment. It was most likely > conversation in the Ruhi classes or some gathering where the institute > process was being discussed. I know it was early days in encouraging us to > reach out to our family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. > > Kathryn > > > "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". > ~ Bahá’u’lláh > "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; > the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who > have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer > > www.bahai.org > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:03, Stephen Gray wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> How often do you pray (other than the Obligatory Prayers, which would >> obviously be daily)? Which prayers do you pray most often? Which ones are >> your favorites? Where did you get that two-block radius quote from >> (obviously not authoritative as paryer knows no boundaries)? >> >> -- >> *From:* Kathryn Darrah >> >> *To:* Baha'i Studies >> *Sent:* Wed, December 15, 2010 2:57:51 PM >> >> *Subject:* Re: How will they cope? >> >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> >> >> Gracious! What a wonderfully affirming response. Thank you, Susan. >> >> I've often wondered how it is we determine which neighborhoods are >> receptive. I vaguely remember something about "prayers having an >> effect within a two-block radius of Bahai homes." I wondered how that was >> determined, too. I enjoyed praying, hoping it's true. For 18 months I've >> lived just outside the perimeter of a youth correctional facility. I've >> prayed for those young men and the staff trying to help them. It will be >> interesting to arrive in the next world and learn whether my >> presence/
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Stephen, I pray every day, in one way or another. So many of the prayers fill me that it would be impossible to say which are my favorites. I'm very attached to the Bab's prayer in the shape of a pentacle. I also get great comfort from the prayers for families, particularly parents as my mother commited suicide when I was small and all the grandparents who reared me are now in the next world. This prayer also facilitated the reunion with my father and healed our relationship. There are phrases in some prayers that echo through me but I couldn't find them if I wanted to. I guess the prayers I offer most often are informal appeals for healing, assistance & comfort and the prayers for the departed -- several times a day, as emails arrive. I have no memory of where I heard that comment. It was most likely conversation in the Ruhi classes or some gathering where the institute process was being discussed. I know it was early days in encouraging us to reach out to our family, friends, neighbors and co-workers. Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 13:03, Stephen Gray wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > How often do you pray (other than the Obligatory Prayers, which would > obviously be daily)? Which prayers do you pray most often? Which ones are > your favorites? Where did you get that two-block radius quote from > (obviously not authoritative as paryer knows no boundaries)? > > -- > *From:* Kathryn Darrah > > *To:* Baha'i Studies > *Sent:* Wed, December 15, 2010 2:57:51 PM > > *Subject:* Re: How will they cope? > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > Gracious! What a wonderfully affirming response. Thank you, Susan. > > I've often wondered how it is we determine which neighborhoods are > receptive. I vaguely remember something about "prayers having an > effect within a two-block radius of Bahai homes." I wondered how that was > determined, too. I enjoyed praying, hoping it's true. For 18 months I've > lived just outside the perimeter of a youth correctional facility. I've > prayed for those young men and the staff trying to help them. It will be > interesting to arrive in the next world and learn whether my > presence/prayers really had any effect. > > Kathryn > > "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". > ~ Bahá’u’lláh > "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; > the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who > have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer > > www.bahai.org > > > > > > On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:03, Susan Maneck wrote: > >> The Baha'i Studies Listserv >> > I have not yet and don't plan to knock on doors. I'm gracious to the >> > Witnesses & Mormons who come to my door but I'm not cold-calling. >> >> Generally speaking the 'cold-calling' is used to in neighborhoods >> which appear receptive in order to find interest in starting children >> classes and junior youth groups. We have found a lot of families >> receptive to this. I don't like doing an entire presentation of the >> Faith door-to-door. Note that the House in its last Ridvan message >> speaks of knocking on doors in the context of building community not >> simply 'teaching the Faith.' >> >> > Kathryn: I hope we will learn to meditate more deeply on all Writings >> > concerning love. I'm not good for quoting Writings but I believe there >> is >> > support for this belief: Only when we understand that we were created >> by >> > Love to love will we understand that Love is the attractive force in the >> > universe. Love is the essence that draws us in and unites us. >> >> I think you will find when you do Book Six this is very much stressed. >> My problem has been when people take Anna's Presentation out of the >> context of Book Six, memorize and just recite it to people. It >> completely undoes everything Book Six was trying to do. Note that the >> last Ridvan message from the House stresses understanding the *logic* >> behind Anna's Presentation and treating it as a conversation rather >> than something we are merely reciting to those we assume to be >> seekers. >&
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Gracious! What a wonderfully affirming response. Thank you, Susan. I've often wondered how it is we determine which neighborhoods are receptive. I vaguely remember something about "prayers having an effect within a two-block radius of Bahai homes." I wondered how that was determined, too. I enjoyed praying, hoping it's true. For 18 months I've lived just outside the perimeter of a youth correctional facility. I've prayed for those young men and the staff trying to help them. It will be interesting to arrive in the next world and learn whether my presence/prayers really had any effect. Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:03, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > I have not yet and don't plan to knock on doors. I'm gracious to the > > Witnesses & Mormons who come to my door but I'm not cold-calling. > > Generally speaking the 'cold-calling' is used to in neighborhoods > which appear receptive in order to find interest in starting children > classes and junior youth groups. We have found a lot of families > receptive to this. I don't like doing an entire presentation of the > Faith door-to-door. Note that the House in its last Ridvan message > speaks of knocking on doors in the context of building community not > simply 'teaching the Faith.' > > > Kathryn: I hope we will learn to meditate more deeply on all Writings > > concerning love. I'm not good for quoting Writings but I believe there > is > > support for this belief: Only when we understand that we were created by > > Love to love will we understand that Love is the attractive force in the > > universe. Love is the essence that draws us in and unites us. > > I think you will find when you do Book Six this is very much stressed. > My problem has been when people take Anna's Presentation out of the > context of Book Six, memorize and just recite it to people. It > completely undoes everything Book Six was trying to do. Note that the > last Ridvan message from the House stresses understanding the *logic* > behind Anna's Presentation and treating it as a conversation rather > than something we are merely reciting to those we assume to be > seekers. > > I love your spirit Kathryn. > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-546941-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-546970-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Tim wrote: "In the early years of Ruhi, the process was sometimes dominated by zealots who insisted everything had to be done by rigid rules." Kathryn: As time goes on, I finally understand that everything is a growth process, from immature LSA's whose decisions unintentionally harm individuals to experiments in how to best share the Faith. There are so few of us and we are struggling to find our way. I felt then that Ruhi & Anna work in some cultures but not as well in the jaded, cynical, self-centered, fiercely independent West. I chafed but I respected the intitutional process that was guiding the experiment. I just couldn't participate until the "new" rules had a chance to shake out. I hoped that, as more tutors arose, the process would return to satisfying people's interests. I have not yet and don't plan to knock on doors. I'm gracious to the Witnesses & Mormons who come to my door but I'm not cold-calling. I trust God to orchestrate the meeting between me and the souls who will respond to the way I can comfortably, genuinely share my understanding of Him. Re: I'd like to see more of us loving, respecting and supporting each other for what we *can* do instead of "tsk, tsking" and shunning those who can't do what we think they ought to be doing. Kathryn: I hope we will learn to meditate more deeply on all Writings concerning love. I'm not good for quoting Writings but I believe there is support for this belief: Only when we understand that we were created by Love to love will we understand that Love is the attractive force in the universe. Love is the essence that draws us in and unites us. I treasure the dear woman who was my first contact with the Faith. She was the perfect person to nurture me through the ups & downs of adapting to some uncomfortable changes of viewpoint. Her loving spirit kept me coming back to firesides for months. Her unconditional love through years of despair lifted me up and kept me from leaving the Faith. I can't overstate how critical to retention of new believers is the power of love. We cannot preach what we do not practice, and I've very rarely seen genuine friendship, let alone unconditional love, practiced among the many communities I've passed through. That's my prayer: Not that Ruhi brings entry by troops, but that every living Bahai becomes transformed in radiant beacons of love. The world is literally starving to death for want of love. Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:47, Tim Nolan wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Hi Kathryn > > >I understand we are to be obedient, and we are not to take offense, > > but this dogmatic approach raised bitterness, resentment > > One of the things I have had to learn in my Baha'i life, > is that while we are to be obedient to the *institutions* and > to the Writings, we haved zero obligation to be obedient > to any individual who insists on his or her viewpoint, > regardless of that person's title. So if an individual > says I must do things a certain way, I might listen politely > then do what I think is best. People have a right to their own views, > but experience has taught me not to give in to bullies. > It's always important to ask, "obedient to whom?" > Nothing in the writings supports the idea that we have > to obey charismatic people or people who claim > that their opinion is "the Baha'i way". > > In the early years of Ruhi, the process was sometimes dominated by > zealots who insisted everything had to be done by > rigid rules. I think as the Baha'i community matures, we will > learn not to let zealots run our lives. > > I have done several Ruhi books out of order, and I don't care who > knows it. > > >I'd like to see more of us loving, respecting and supporting each other > for what we *can* do > >instead of "tsk, tsking" and shunning those who can't do what we think > they ought to be doing. > > Hurrah for that!! And the House of Justice has encouraged us to > appreciate everyone's efforts, of course. There is a deadening effect of > people who think, > > " I know what the Baha'i really is, and *you* don't conform." > > Tim > > > All good art is about something deeper than it admits. > --Roger Ebert > > > -- > *From:* Kathry
Re: How will they cope?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv This has been my experience. I understand we are to be obedient, and we are not to take offense, but this dogmatic approach raised bitterness, resentment and resistance in me. I started 1, 2 & 3 three times each before finally completing 1 & 2 in an intensive. Many years later, that is where I am stalled. After a decade as a Bahai, I still did not have what I considered a solid enough grounding in Baha'u'llah to share the Faith with others. I wanted Book 4 badly and was delighted when we started it. Then, we were told we must complete the books in order. I love children & support their activities financially as often as possible, and I'm a board member for a community theater which has provided 17 years of classes for kids & teens (including 3 absolutely amazing now young adult Bahais!) but I will never, ever teach children's classes. I haven't got physical health & energy even to babysit. Finally, as an isolated believer, I have an opportunity to do Book 8 with a tutor while we wait for a group to finish book 2 so we can do Book 4 together with a new believer. I can't wait! I'm frustrated with the way information still lags in getting to everyone. It's been a few years now since I read the House of Justice's clarification that we are not completely bound to Ruhi, that we have the freedom to use whatever works best in the situation, whether Firesides or Core Curriculum or Virtues. I'd like to see more of us loving, respecting and supporting each other for what we *can* do instead of "tsk, tsking" and shunning those who can't do what we think they ought to be doing. Kathryn On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 08:09, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > Then again there is a wisdom in the sequence of books so actually im not > > sure. p: > > Keep in mind that these books were designed for Baha'is, not seekers. > We start with Book one because the first thing we want a new Baha'i to > do is to pray. But there are some seekers for whom Book One works > best. I find the ones that are drawn in through the children's classes > is one example. > > In any case, if I had had to do the books in order like is being > dogmatically pushed in some areas I never would have completed the > sequence. I did Book One, then Book Four, then Book Seven. Then I > started tutoring Book Four. I picked up the other books as I felt I > needed them, but I didn't finish the sequence until they appointed me > Cluster Development Facilitator. > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-546823-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-546849-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Politics on Facebook
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Anything inappropriate with this?: Political Views: Registered as Decline to State Religious Views: Baháí Faith - see www.bahai.org "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 05:45, David Regal wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > I've noticed a number of Baha'is on Facebook who have 'Barack Obama' as > one of their 'Likes'. Baha'is are not supposed to take sides in political > disputes. Isn't indicating your support for a politican doing just this? > Ah, you might say, they are just saying they like Obama, not that they > support him. Perhaps, but isn't any non-Baha'i going to interpret it as > meaning you are a supporter? > > I did also just see a Baha'i who has chosen to specify their political > views on their profile, which I certainly don't think is appropriate. > > Regards, > David > > > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > mailto:leave-533321-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-533344-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Help me find sources?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Whoa! That's heavy. I don't know if that's the only reference but will pass it along. We're under the impression that it was Bahaullah or Abdul Baha, and caused by the Divines refusing to recognise Him. Thank you, Susan. ~ Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 18:28, Susan Maneck wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > You must be thinking of this hadith: > > "The Apostle of God said: `There will come a time for my people when > there will remain nothing of the Qur'an except its outward form and > nothing of Islam except its name and they will call themselves by this > name even though they are the people furthest from it. The mosqueswill > be full of people but they will be empty of right guidance. The > religious leaders (Fuqaha) of that day will be the most evil religious > leaders under the heavens; sedition and dissension will go out from > them and to them will it return.' " -ibn Babuya, Thawab ul-A'mal > > On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Kathryn Darrah > wrote: > > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > > > We are looking for where it is written for these two ideas: > > > > (1) that the memory of Islam will someday be lost to history -or- that > > Islam will be left in name only, > > > > -and- > > > > (2) that when the persecution stops in Iran, it will be our turn. > > > > Thank you, > > Kathryn > > > > > > > > > > "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the > world". ~ > > Bahá’u’lláh > > "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; > > the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who > > have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer > > > > www.bahai.org > > > > > > > > > > __ > > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:sman...@gmail.com > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to > > mailto: > leave-525194-738796.0f462312a2f7bdde70e0bbead78e3...@list.jccc.edu > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > > ly...@list.jccc.edu > > Or subscribe: > > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-525198-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-525201-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Help me find sources?
The Baha'i Studies Listserv We are looking for where it is written for these two ideas: (1) that the memory of Islam will someday be lost to history -or- that Islam will be left in name only, -and- (2) that when the persecution stops in Iran, it will be our turn. Thank you, Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-525194-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Good object lesson for avoiding reading Covenant-breaker sites
The Baha'i Studies Listserv I have been avidly watching this conversation unfold, as the question of CB sites had come up just days before. I subscribe to Google alerts for Bahai articles and videos. Some of the sites I've visited look absolutely legitimate but still, I get a funny feeling. Often, I can't identify anything what feels wrong. I, too, am a relatively isolated believer with no LSA. There are a handful of us scattered across two counties but in different incorporated & rural areas. Although we keep the calendar together, we can't form a group. Our oldest member - in her 90s! - brought up the topic at last Feast. One of the group served several years on the Arc project in Haifa but she had no idea who is our ABM for Protection. (I've since learned by writing an old friend.) I would appreciate clear guidance on how to recognize the wheat from the chaff! I don't want to assume wrongly about a dedicated soul trying to share the Faith, but there is so much out there. I've been a Bahai 15 years with no easy access to a wide variety of materials until recently - the internet in the last year. I feel somewhat anxious wandering loose on the web because I'm old enough to understand how subtle and insidious the damage can be! I'm very grateful I was well grounded in my faith before finding these questionable "sources" - how would I know which to trust as a new believer when I don't know even now? Kathryn "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Tue, Aug 31, 2010 at 04:31, Brent Poirier wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > The danger in reading Covenant breaker sites is often not that the person > will be in danger of following these groups; it is that they destroy one's > faith. The confusing answers of Mr. Grey, and his statement that he is > leaving religion altogether, make the point very clearly. > ' > One of the most malicious slanders of the Faith is the comparisons of the > Learned to the East German stazi or other tyrannical regimes. This prevents > the believer from seeking support from the people most capable of giving it. > > As to the person who supposedly met a grandson of Abdu'l-Baha, whose father > broke the Covenant, and through whom he did not claim to be a Guardian. This > makes absolutely no sense. The children of Abdu'l-Baha were all daughters. > > It is more likely that it was a great grandson, and possibly one of them > was, for a time, faithful to the Covenant during the conversation he had > with the believer you know. But now all of the male descendants, down to > the present day, are out of the Faith (or at least that was the case up to a > decade ago when I asked a House member). > > Brent > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto: > leave-523726-2241165.3afeac45296046c4e2352da3d7e8d...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to > ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-523789-27401.54f46e81b66496c9909bcdc2f7987...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Halo effect
The Baha'i Studies Listserv Greetings, All !I joined a couple of weeks ago and am just beginning to follow your conversations. Am I supposed to introduce myself? Actually, I'm not sure the history and purpose of this list and would appreciate someone explaining -- as a separate topic. I simply wanted to contribute my own thought. I come from a Christian background but I would assume the halo effect would usually be a photographic technique. I saw this to the point of nausea when I spent a few months studying Scientology many years ago. I have no doubt that Abd'ul Baha has indescribable divine aura not capturable by current technology, but nothing about L.Ron Hubbard inspired that confidence! Kathryn Darrah "Dedicate the precious days of your lives to the betterment of the world". ~ Bahá’u’lláh "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I do know; the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve."~ Albert Schweitzer www.bahai.org On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 07:36, David Regal wrote: > The Baha'i Studies Listserv > > I've heard Baha'is talk about the halo seen in various pictures of > 'Abdu'l-Baha. I'm just wondering, is there a skeptical Baha'i view of this, > or do all agree this is amazing? > > Regards, > David > > > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:allaboutjoye1...@gmail.com > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-519630-22411...@list.jccc.edu > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu > Or subscribe: > http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > > > News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net > > > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-519657-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
