RE: Abdul-Baha and savages
Dear Marlene,
I don't recall a letter from the House on this subject, but I know the word
translated as savage was babari, lit. Berber. It is a cognate to barbarian.
warmest, Susan
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RE: Abdul-Baha and savages
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"If man himself is left in his natural state, he
will become lower than the animal and continue to grow more ignorant and
imperfect. The savage tribes of central Africa are
evidences of this. Left in their natural condition, they have sunk to the lowest
depths and degrees of barbarism, dimly groping in a world of mental and moral
obscurity. If we wish to illumine this dark plane of human existence, we must
bring man forth from the hopeless captivity of nature, educate him and show him
the pathway of light and knowledge, until, uplifted from his condition of
ignorance, he becomes wise and knowing; no longer savage and revengeful, he
becomes civilized and kind; once evil and sinister, he is endowed with the
attributes of heaven. But left in his natural condition without education and
training, it is certain that he will become more depraved and vicious than the
animal, even to the extreme degree witnessed among African tribes who practice
cannibalism. It is evident, therefore, that the world of nature is incomplete,
imperfect until awakened and illumined by the light and stimulus of
education."
[—Abdu'l-Baha]
||I recall something along that line but don't know where it
was Brent|
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Re: Abdul-Baha and savages
I recall something along that line but don't know where it was
Brent
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Subject: Re: Abdul-Baha and savages
Dear Brent,
I found that same quote of Shoghi Effendi too after searching both of the
sources you mentioned, but I am wondering did the House ever write a
letter addressing this or am I mistaken in thinking such a letter ever
existed? Even if the House's letter cannot be found, does anyone else
remember it ever existing?
Sincerely, Marleen
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Re: Abdul-Baha and savages
Dear Brent,
I found that same quote of Shoghi Effendi too after searching both of
the sources you mentioned, but I am wondering did the House ever write a
letter addressing this or am I mistaken in thinking such a letter ever
existed? Even if the House's letter cannot be found, does anyone else
remember it ever existing?
Sincerely, Marleen
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Re: Abdul-Baha and savages
On 10/19/05, M Chase <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In his writings, Abdul-Baha made references to the savages of Africa and
> North America. I seem to remember a letter by the House or another
> source that explained the historical context of Abdul-Baha remarks. Can
> anyone please help me find the source of the latter? Thank you.
>
>
You might want to check out:
http://www.geocities.com/sinan_yavas/bahaisandblacks/bahaisandblacks
"If man himself is left in his natural state, he will become lower
than the animal and continue to grow more ignorant and imperfect. The
savage tribes of central Africa are evidences of this. Left in their
natural condition, they have sunk to the lowest depths and degrees of
barbarism, dimly groping in a world of mental and moral obscurity. If
we wish to illumine this dark plane of human existence, we must bring
man forth from the hopeless captivity of nature, educate him and show
him the pathway of light and knowledge, until, uplifted from his
condition of ignorance, he becomes wise and knowing; no longer savage
and revengeful, he becomes civilized and kind; once evil and sinister,
he is endowed with the attributes of heaven. But left in his natural
condition without education and training, it is certain that he will
become more depraved and vicious than the animal, even to the extreme
degree witnessed among African tribes who practice cannibalism. It is
evident, therefore, that the world of nature is incomplete, imperfect
until awakened and illumined by the light and stimulus of education."
The Promulgation of Universal Peace p309, also at PUP p309
and
"But I wish to say one thing in order that the blacks may become
grateful to the whites and the whites become loving toward the blacks.
If you go to Africa and see the blacks of Africa, you will realize how
much progress you have made. Praise be to God! You are like the
whites; there are no great distinctions left. But the blacks of Africa
are treated as servants. The first proclamation of emancipation for
the blacks was made by the whites of America. How they fought and
sacrificed until they freed the blacks! Then it spread to other
places. The blacks of Africa were in complete bondage, but your
emancipation led to their freedom also--that is, the European states
emulated the Americans, and the emancipation proclamation became
universal. It was for your sake that the whites of America made such
an effort. Were it not for this effort, universal emancipation would
not have been proclaimed.
Therefore, you must be very grateful to the whites of America, and the
whites must become very loving toward you so that you may progress in
all human grades." The Promulgation of Universal Peace p45, also at
PUP p45
"Hence, the members of the human race all possess the capacity of
attaining to the highest station, and the proof they adduce therefor
is this: "The inhabitants of a country like Africa are all as
wandering savages and wild animals; they lack intelligence and
knowledge; all are uncivilized; not one civilized and wise man is to
be found among them. On the contrary, consider the civilized
countries, the inhabitants of which are living in the highest state of
culture and ethics, solidarity and inter-dependence; possessing, with
few exceptions, acute power of comprehensions and sound mind.
Therefore, it is made clear and evident that the superiority and
inferiority of minds and comprehensions arises from education and
cultivation, or from their lack and absence. A bent branch is
straightened by training and the wild fruit of the jungle is made the
product of the orchard." Tablets of Abdu'l-Bahá `Abbás p576
"If we study human beings such as the aboriginal tribes of central
Africa, who have been reared in complete subjection to nature's rule,
we will find them deficient indeed. They are without religious
education; neither do they give evidences of any advance whatever
toward civilization. They have simply grown and developed in the
natural plane of barbarism. We find them bloodthirsty, immoral and
animalistic in type to such an extent that they even kill and devour
each other." The Promulgation of Universal Peace p400, also at PUP
p400
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re: Abdul-Baha and savages
I couldn't find that letter either on Ocean or on bahai-library.com but perhaps
this will be of service.
Brent
In spite of the fact that ... has been expelled from the Gilbert and Ellice
Islands, the remarkable progress of the Faith there has been a source of great
satisfaction. It shows that a spiritual receptivity, a purity of heart and
uprightness of character exist potentially amongst many of the peoples of the
Pacific Isles to an extent equal to that of the tribesmen of Africa. It is
indeed an encouraging and awe-inspiring sight to witness the spread of our
beloved Faith amongst those whom civilized nations misguidedly term "savages",
"primitive peoples" and "uncivilized nations"
(From a letter on behalf of Shoghi Effendi dated 11 July 1956 to the National
Spiritual Assembly of the British Isles, published in "Unfolding Destiny", p.
365)
http://bahai-library.com/compilations/islands.southpacific.html
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Abdul-Baha and savages
In his writings, Abdul-Baha made references to the savages of Africa and
North America. I seem to remember a letter by the House or another
source that explained the historical context of Abdul-Baha remarks. Can
anyone please help me find the source of the latter? Thank you.
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