Re: Ablutions - inter-marriage
The Baha'i Studies Listserv On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: As you know Christianity is pretty broad. Even Catholics are allowed to intermarry now. It is mostly only evangelicals disapprove, It isn't that the rules change. If you look up a Catechism of the Catholic Church and look at what is says about marriage, marriage is still a sacrament and so it can still only happen between baptized Christians. And Catholics are a majority of Christians worldwide. But that simply isn't true. The current online version of the Catholic Code of Canon Law says: Can. 1086 §1. A marriage between two persons, one of whom has been baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it and has not defected from it by a formal act and the other of whom is not baptized, is invalid. http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG1104/__P3Y.HTM And last year the *current* Pope changed that to be even more cut-and-dried A marriage between two persons, one of whom was baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it, and the other of whom is not baptized, is invalid. http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/b16omnium.HTM Judaism is more tolerant of women intermarrying than men. Islam is just the opposite. Men can intermarry but not women. I think you are mischaracterizing this. Not to marry non-Jews (of either sex) is one of the 613 commandments of the Torah. Of the 613 commandments of the Torah only two are seen as binding upon women, keeping the sabbath and kosher home. I think you are being bizarre here. I hope you don't mean what you said here.So according to Judaism women are allowed to commit murder, steal, commit idolatry ? In any case: Deuteronomy 7:3 says: 3Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons, Anyway, both these sets of rules are still more restrictive than �(Lawful unto you in marriage are chaste women who are believers and chaste women among the people of the book�. (al-Ma�idah, 5). __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-510890-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Ablutions - inter-marriage
The Baha'i Studies Listserv If you read further down in the canon law you would have seen it is not so cut-and-dried. Further on it states how dispensations can be given for such marriages: Can. 1125 The local ordinary can grant a permission of this kind if there is a just and reasonable cause. He is not to grant it unless the following conditions have been fulfilled: 1/ the Catholic party is to declare that he or she is prepared to remove dangers of defecting from the faith and is to make a sincere promise to do all in his or her power so that all offspring are baptized and brought up in the Catholic Church; 2/ the other party is to be informed at an appropriate time about the promises which the Catholic party is to make, in such a way that it is certain that he or she is truly aware of the promise and obligation of the Catholic party; 3/ both parties are to be instructed about the purposes and essential properties of marriage which neither of the contracting parties is to exclude. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-510903-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Ablutions - inter-marriage
The Baha'i Studies Listserv The section you are talking about is related to non-Catholics who are still Christian. In Pope Benedict's text: Art. 5. The text of can. 1124 of the Code of Canon Law is modified as follows: Marriage between two baptized persons, one of whom was baptized in the Catholic Church or received into it after baptism, and the other a member of a Church or ecclesial community not in full communion with the Catholic Church, cannot be celebrated without the express permission of the competent authority. So basically even marriages to other Christians are questionable and require special permission. And so marriages with non-Christians are really exceptional (at least in principle). On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:15 PM, Susan Maneck sman...@gmail.com wrote: The Baha'i Studies Listserv If you read further down in the canon law you would have seen it is not so cut-and-dried. Further on it states how dispensations can be given for such marriages: Can. 1125 The local ordinary can grant a permission of this kind if there is a just and reasonable cause. He is not to grant it unless the following conditions have been fulfilled: 1/ the Catholic party is to declare that he or she is prepared to remove dangers of defecting from the faith and is to make a sincere promise to do all in his or her power so that all offspring are baptized and brought up in the Catholic Church; 2/ the other party is to be informed at an appropriate time about the promises which the Catholic party is to make, in such a way that it is certain that he or she is truly aware of the promise and obligation of the Catholic party; 3/ both parties are to be instructed about the purposes and essential properties of marriage which neither of the contracting parties is to exclude. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:gilberto.simp...@gmail.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-510903-684...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-510908-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Ablutions - inter-marriage
The Baha'i Studies Listserv So basically even marriages to other Christians are questionable and require special permission. Yes, they do require special permission, but that is easier and easier to get these days. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:arch...@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:leave-510911-274...@list.jccc.edu Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to ly...@list.jccc.edu Or subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News (on-campus only) - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai...@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
