Re: House of Justice legislation
> I recall reading somewhere -- the Priceless Pearl? That when
> Shoghi Effendi became the Guardian, the first thing he did was to
> sit down and read all of the Writings at the World Centre.
Dear Brent,
The only thing I recall along those lines is that Shoghi Effendi read
all the sources in sight when he was composing God Passes By. That's a
very different thing.
>
> I would not be surprised to learn that when new members are
> elected to the House of Justice, there is a protocol for them to
> become familiar with the unpublished Texts as well as with the
> ongoing activities of the House of Justice.
I've never heard anyone suggest that there was such a protocol.
I assume that one of
> the functions of the Research Department is to not only translate
> the Writings, but as a preliminary, to summarize the Writings that
> aren't yet translated; and that House members can request that
> Department for a full translation when needed.
I think Taherzadeh already gave us a summary. ;-}
warmest, Susan
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Re: House of Justice legislation
I recall reading somewhere -- the Priceless Pearl? That when Shoghi Effendi
became the Guardian, the first thing he did was to sit down and read all of the
Writings at the World Centre.
I would not be surprised to learn that when new members are elected to the
House of Justice, there is a protocol for them to become familiar with the
unpublished Texts as well as with the ongoing activities of the House of
Justice. I assume that one of the functions of the Research Department is to
not only translate the Writings, but as a preliminary, to summarize the
Writings that aren't yet translated; and that House members can request that
Department for a full translation when needed.
Moojan Momen's mother works in that Department; maybe he can shed some light on
this.
Brent
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Re: House of Justice legislation
"Well, not necessarily. But it would be an enormous
inconvenience for new members who didn't know the languages"
Dear David,
I don't think you comprehend the difficulty in acquiring these
languages. First off, this is a task best done when one is young and
becomes increasingly difficult to do the older one gets. How old are
most members of the House of Justice? After years of studying Arabic
and Persian I am still nowhere near fluent and need a dictionary in
hand to read just about anything. I only know one House member who was
not a native speaker who learned to read these languages and that was
Hooper Dunbar. He studied them while he was a pioneer in Argentina.
Their workload could not possibly allow them to do this once they are
elected.
warmest, Susan
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Re: House of Justice legislation
Dear Susan,
>If they were required to do this wouldn't only those Baha'is who know>Persian and Arabic be eligible for membership on the Universal House>of Justice.Well, not necessarily. But it would be an enormous inconvenience for new members who didn't know the languages!
> "In not doing this I would think surely the possibility is opened up>for making wrong decisions because of potential errors from the>fallible research department.">>Have you been following our previous discussions? Some of us don't>think infallibility is about propositional inerrancy to begin with. It>is about making decisions in accord with spiritual principles. If the>Research Department fails to bring some passage to the House's>attention any believer is free to do so.I don't think my position on inerrancy is different to yours. I believe that the House needs correct information to make its decisions and that not having this can change their advice. I don't think this has any impact on their infallibility.
>:Also, someone on the list told us that the House of Justice,>even today, still gets sent new Tablets and such from believers. >Since the House is not a prophetic body, could they not make a>decision, only to find later that some previously unseen part of the>Writings contradicted this decision?">>Yes, and then they are free to change that decision.Agreed.
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Re: House of Justice legislation
David writes: " I originally assumed that House of Justice members would be required to undertake the onerous task of familiarising themselves with everything in the Writings, included all that is untranslated, in order to make their decisions. For a reason I do not understand they are obviously not required to do this. " David, I am sure you have read Shoghi Effendi's comments on what the qualifications are to be elected to Baha`i office - including the House. If Shoghi Effendit did not require such massive knowledge, why should we? Regards, ScottDavid Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: There's a question I've asked before, which
I'm considering asking the House of Justice about. I thought I'd pose it here again to see what answers I might get this time and whether people think my question is a good one to ask. I was at a talk by Ali Nakhjavani a couple days ago, and he explained how the House makes decisions. He said that the research department finds all passages in the Writings that have direct or indirect bearing on a question. These passages are often going to be from untranslated Writings, which House of Justice members are not familiar with. As we know, the Universal House of Justice is not a prophetic body, and their ability to make the right decision is dependent on getting the right information. I originally assumed that House of Justice members would be required to undertake the onerous task of familiarising themselves with everything in the Writings, included all that is untranslated, in order to make their decisions. For a reason
I do not understand they are obviously not required to do this. In not doing this I would think surely the possibility is opened up for making wrong decisions because of potential errors from the fallible research department. Since the research department are not infallible, why couldn't they accidentally forget to include certain critical passages from the Writings on a subject the House asked them for information on, thus resulting in the House either making a ruling that IS revealed in the book or an incorrect ruling? Certainly this would not make the House of Justice fallible, but I don't see why this couldn't happen? Also, someone on the list told us that the House of Justice, even today, still gets sent new Tablets and such from believers. Since the House is not a prophetic body, could they not make a decision, only to find later that some previously unseen part of the Writings contradicted this decision? How does the House of
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Re: House of Justice legislation
"I was at a talk by Ali Nakhjavani a couple days ago, and he explained
how the House makes decisions. He said that the research
department finds all passages in the Writings that have direct or
indirect bearing on a question. These passages are often
going to be from untranslated Writings, which House of Justice members
are not familiar with. As we know, the Universal House of
Justice is not a prophetic body, and their ability to make the
right;decision is dependent on getting the right information. I
originally assumed that House of Justice members would be required
to undertake the onerous task of familiarising themselves with
everything in the Writings, included all that is untranslated, in
order to make their decisions."
Dear David,
How can anyone possibly know *everything* that is in the Writings?
"For a reason I do not understand they are obviously not required to
do this."
If they were required to do this wouldn't only those Baha'is who know
Persian and Arabic be eligible for membership on the Universal House
of Justice.
"In not doing this I would think surely the possibility is opened up
for making wrong decisions because of potential errors from the
fallible research department."
Have you been following our previous discussions? Some of us don't
think infallibility is about propositional inerrancy to begin with. It
is about making decisions in accord with spiritual principles. If the
Research Department fails to bring some passage to the House's
attention any believer is free to do so.
:Also, someone on the list told us that the House of Justice,
even today, still gets sent new Tablets and such from believers.
Since the House is not a prophetic body, could they not make a
decision, only to find later that some previously unseen part of the
Writings contradicted this decision?"
Yes, and then they are free to change that decision.
warmest, Susan
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House of Justice legislation
There's a question I've asked before, which I'm considering asking the House of Justice about. I thought I'd pose it here again to see what answers I might get this time and whether people think my question is a good one to ask. I was at a talk by Ali Nakhjavani a couple days ago, and he explained how the House makes decisions. He said that the research department finds all passages in the Writings that have direct or indirect bearing on a question. These passages are often going to be from untranslated Writings, which House of Justice members are not familiar with. As we know, the Universal House of Justice is not a prophetic body, and their ability to make the right decision is dependent on getting the right information. I originally assumed that House of Justice members would be required
to undertake the onerous task of familiarising themselves with everything in the Writings, included all that is untranslated, in order to make their decisions. For a reason I do not understand they are obviously not required to do this. In not doing this I would think surely the possibility is opened up for making wrong decisions because of potential errors from the fallible research department. Since the research department are not infallible, why couldn't they accidentally forget to include certain critical passages from the Writings on a subject the House asked them for information on, thus resulting in the House either making a ruling that IS revealed in the book or an incorrect ruling? Certainly this would not make the House of Justice fallible, but I don't see why this couldn't happen? Also, someone on the list told us that the House of Justice,
even today, still gets sent new Tablets and such from believers. Since the House is not a prophetic body, could they not make a decision, only to find later that some previously unseen part of the Writings contradicted this decision? How does the House of Justice know that they are making a decision on something not outwardly revealed in the Book, given that "the Book" isn't, and never will be, entirely in their possession?
Regards,
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