Re: Celestial Spheres
thanks Khazeh!!! If I get the answers, it will be worth of a Nobel... dreams...Khazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:
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RE: Celestial Spheres
At 10:17 PM -0600 12/26/05, Hasan Elias wrote:
Another matter: Is it correct that the Bahá'í
Faith says the universe has no beginning?
('Abdul'-Bahá said that in SAQ)
Do we believe in Bing-Bang? I don't
For one discussion, see
http://bahai-library.com/?file=mihrshahi_ether_quantum_physics
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Re: RE: Celestial Spheres
> Another matter: Is it correct that the Bahá'í Faith says the
> universe has no beginning? (?Abdul?-Bahá said that in SAQ)
I think what Abdu'l-Baha is saying is that there had to be *some*
universe.
>
> Do we believe in Bing-Bang? I don't
Big-bang is based on the theory that there is a beginning to *this*
universe.
I am prepared to accept the findings of science when it comes to such
things and right now the consensus appears to be in favor of Big-bang.
But I don't think there is a "Baha'i" position nor do I think there
should be. But here is one Baha'i's position:
http://www.planetbahai.org/cgi-bin/articles.pl?article=222
warmest, Susan
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RE: Celestial Spheres
Another matter: Is it correct that the Bahá'í Faith says the universe has no beginning? (Abdul-Bahá said that in SAQ) Do we believe in Bing-Bang? I don't Thanks Hasan Elias <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió:Thanks for answer Khazeh. Who knows the physical signal that announced the coming of the Twin Manifestations? It is interesting that in 1844, Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel discovered Sirius (the shiniest star from earth) as a binary system, and in 1862, Alvan Graham Clark (another astronomer) discovered her "twin", Sirius ! B. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto ("e-mail") is sent by the Johnson County Community College ("JCCC") and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are noti!
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RE: Celestial Spheres
Thanks for answer Khazeh. Who knows the physical signal that announced the coming of the Twin Manifestations? It is interesting that in 1844, Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel discovered Sirius (the shiniest star from earth) as a binary system, and in 1862, Alvan Graham Clark (another astronomer) discovered her "twin", Sirius !
B. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sirius
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RE: Celestial Spheres
Hasan
EliasSent: 26 December 2005 18:23
Bahá'u'lláh said:
Thou hast, moreover, asked Me concerning the nature of the celestial
spheres. To comprehend their nature, it would be necessary to inquire into the
meaning of the allusions that have been made in the Books of old to the
celestial spheres and the heavens, and to discover the character of
their relationship to this physical world, and the influence which they exert
upon it.
(Baha'u'llah, Gleanings from the Writings of Baha'u'l! lah, p.
162)
Can someone explain what Bahá'u'lláh mean with this quote? Is this quote
a philosophic one? or a literal one?
Can one comprehend how galaxies, stars, planets, and other spheres work
if one decodes the meaning of their equivalents in the Religious and Philosophic
books?
Hasan
Dear Hasan
http://reference.bahai.org/fa/t/b/GWB/gwb-105.html
in the original the word for celestial
spheres is [aflaak= the plural of falak]
there is a Tablet of the Master called
AFLAAKIYYIH
this Tablet may help
you
http://bahai-library.com/?file=abdulbaha_lawh_aflakiyyih
http://bahai-library.com/provisionals/universe.html
Per a couple of requests, a provisional translation of
Abdu'l-Baha's Lawh-i-Aflakiyyih is hereby posted. Text is scanned, so there
might be glitches. The original Tablet can be found in Makatib-i
Abdu'l-Baha, vol. 1, pp 13-32.
(prov. trans. Anonymous)
please forgive these brief
words
you probably know these
better
many of the references of past scriptures are
symbolic
http://www.muslimhope.com/AstronomyAndTheQuran.htm
"The demand of the pagans to the Prophet to show them
a miracle. The Prophet showed them the splitting of the moon. Narrated ‘Abdullah
bin Massud: During the lifetime of the Prophet the moon was split into two parts
and on that the Prophet said, ‘Bear witness (to this).’" Bukhari vol.4
book 56 ch.26 and vol.4 book 56 no.830 p.533.
"Narrated Anas that the Meccan people requested
Allah’s Apostle to show them a miracle, and so he showed them the splitting of
the moon." Bukhari vol.4 book 56 no.831 p.533.
"Narrated Ibn ‘Abbas: The moon was split into two
parts during the lifetime of the Prophet." Bukhari vol.4 book 56 no.832
p.534.
Splitting the moon. Bukhari vol.6 book 60
no.290 and footnote 1 p.273; vol.6 book 60 no.387-391 p.365-366; vol.6 book 60
no.345,349,368-370 p.331,336
Splitting the moon Sahih Muslim vol.4 book 37
no.6721,6724-6730 p.1467-1468
Sura 54:1 says, "The Hour (of Judgment) is
nigh, and the moon was cleft asunder. (Yusuf ‘Ali revised edition).
Note that cleft asunder means the mean was split in
half, and the verb here is past tense. We have no records of any other people in
the world, including close-by Egypt, Syria, or Persia that saw the moon split in
two. The Qur’an and hadiths do not say how it got back together
either.
Yusuf ‘Ali in footnote 5128 says, "Three explanations
are given in the Mufradat, and perhaps all three apply here: (1) that the
moon once appeared cleft asunder in the valley of Makkah within sight of the
Prophet, his Companions, and some Unbelievers; (2) that the prophetic past tense
indicates the future, the cleaving asunder of the moon being a Sign of the
Judgment approaching; and (3) that the phrase is metaphorical, meaning that the
matter has become clear as the moon. That the first was noticed by
contemporaries, including Unbelievers, is clear from verse 2. The second is an
incident of the disruption of the solar system at the New Creation: Cf. lxxv.
8-9."
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