RE: Common Faith
Thank you, KhazehKhazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Re the Document Dominus Iesus: if one goes herehttp://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0086/_P1.HTMone will see a text and how many times a word is used which gives an insightinto the mind of the authorfor example the author Cardinal Ratzinger uses "complete character" in theDocument...but then when you point to "complete character" in the said Document youwill see how often the Faith of Christ is said to be completehttp://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0086/_P1.HTMChapter,Paragraph2 Intro, 4| example, the definitive and complete character of therevelation3 1, 5| reassert the definitive and complete character of therevelation4 1, 6| according to which the full and complete revelation of thesalvific5 1, 6| it is unique, f! ull, and complete, because he whospeaks and6 4, 17| in that it hinders the complete fulfilment of heruniversalityOr DEFINITIVEChapter,Paragraph1 Intro, 4| superseded; for example, the definitive and completecharacter of2 Intro, 4| accepting the presence of definitive and eschatologicalevents3 1, 5| above all to reassert the definitive and completecharacter of4 1, 5| therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will neverpass5 1, 5| fullness of truth: "In this definitive Word of hisrevelation,6 1, 5| mankind who he is. This definitive self-revelation ofGod isThis intratext tool is incredibly useful__You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-stBaha'i Studies is available through the following:Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.eduWeb - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-stNews - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-stPublic - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaistOld Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.netNew Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
Rich, thanks Gilberto On 5/5/05, Rich Ater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Gilberto, >You can find it at the Vatican Web Site. > Rich > > Gilberto Simpson wrote: > > > On 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I would have to check it once I am home. > > > > > > W00-01 Savi, JulioThe Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on > > > Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? > > > > Is the document available online to the public? If not could someone > > give a brief summary? > > > > I've read about the original document (Dominus Iesus) and personally > > it seemed a bit anti-ecumenical. Even Protestants were a bit upset > > with it. > > > > -Gilberto > > > > __ > > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > > News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > > Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist > > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > -- "pharaoh is just a leaf on a burning bush" __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
Re the Document Dominus Iesus: if one goes here http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0086/_P1.HTM one will see a text and how many times a word is used which gives an insight into the mind of the author for example the author Cardinal Ratzinger uses "complete character" in the Document... but then when you point to "complete character" in the said Document you will see how often the Faith of Christ is said to be complete http://www.intratext.com/IXT/ENG0086/_P1.HTM Chapter, Paragraph--- - 2 Intro,4| example, the definitive and complete character of the revelation 3 1,5| reassert the definitive and complete character of the revelation 4 1,6| according to which the full and complete revelation of the salvific 5 1,6| it is unique, full, and complete, because he who speaks and 6 4, 17| in that it hinders the complete fulfilment of her universality Or DEFINITIVE Chapter, Paragraph--- - 1 Intro,4| superseded; for example, the definitive and complete character of 2 Intro,4|accepting the presence of definitive and eschatological events 3 1,5|above all to reassert the definitive and complete character of 4 1,5|therefore, as the new and definitive covenant, will never pass 5 1,5| fullness of truth: "In this definitive Word of his revelation, 6 1,5| mankind who he is. This definitive self-revelation of God is This intratext tool is incredibly useful __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
Gilberto, You can find it at the Vatican Web Site. Rich Gilberto Simpson wrote: > On 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I would have to check it once I am home. > > > > W00-01 Savi, JulioThe Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on > > Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? > > Is the document available online to the public? If not could someone > give a brief summary? > > I've read about the original document (Dominus Iesus) and personally > it seemed a bit anti-ecumenical. Even Protestants were a bit upset > with it. > > -Gilberto > > __ > You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st > Baha'i Studies is available through the following: > Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu > Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st > News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st > Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist > Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net > New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
Great. Welcome, Don.Don Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 9:25 -0700 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha wrote:>I would have to check it once I am home.>>>W00-01 Savi, Julio The Declaration Dominus Iesus: A >Brake on Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue?>OK, so it is in the Winter 2000/2001 edition.TnxDon C-- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not.__You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-stBaha'i Studies is available through the following:Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.eduWeb - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-stNews - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-stPublic - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaistOld Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.netNew Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
At 9:25 -0700 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha wrote: I would have to check it once I am home. W00-01 Savi, JulioThe Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? OK, so it is in the Winter 2000/2001 edition. Tnx Don C -- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
Dear Gilberto - It's copyrighted and so I do not believe it can be found online. The article by Dr. Savi is very deep; it goes below the surface arguments many in the media and in churches have made in regards to it. I learned much from it. Love, Barmak P.S. Of course Protestants would be upset with it! Gilberto Simpson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:> I would have to check it once I am home.> > W00-01 Savi, Julio The Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on> Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? Is the document available online to the public? If not could someonegive a brief summary?I've read about the original document (Dominus Iesus) and personallyit seemed a bit anti-ecumenical. Even Protestants were a bit upsetwith it.-Gilberto __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
On 5/4/05, Barmak Kusha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would have to check it once I am home. > > W00-01 Savi, JulioThe Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on > Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? Is the document available online to the public? If not could someone give a brief summary? I've read about the original document (Dominus Iesus) and personally it seemed a bit anti-ecumenical. Even Protestants were a bit upset with it. -Gilberto __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
I would have to check it once I am home. W00-01 Savi, Julio The Declaration Dominus Iesus: A Brake on Ecumenism and Interfaith Dialogue? Above is what I got when I googled it... source is Bahai-library.comDon Calkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 9:56 -0700 5/3/05, Barmak Kusha wrote:>>I am sure everyone here has read "Dominus Iesus", by Joseph Cardinal >Ratzinger when he was Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of >the Faith (CDF) and before he was the Roman Pontiff? And the >quasi-reply thereto from Dr. Savi in World Order? If not, now would >be a good time to read and re-read.>What volume was this in?Don C-- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not.__You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-stBaha'i Studies is available through the following:Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.eduWeb - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-stNews - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-stPublic - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaistOld Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.netNew Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
At 9:56 -0700 5/3/05, Barmak Kusha wrote: I am sure everyone here has read "Dominus Iesus", by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger when he was Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and before he was the Roman Pontiff? And the quasi-reply thereto from Dr. Savi in World Order? If not, now would be a good time to read and re-read. What volume was this in? Don C -- He who believes himself spiritual proves he is not. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
hello Iskandar, here in the UK I have managed to order a copy from http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html Price £5 regards mike -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Iskandar Hai Sent: 03 May 2005 16:02 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: RE: Common Faith Quoting Iskandar Hai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's > International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know > how > to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it > on > the bahai.org website yesterday. > > http://www.bahai.org/dir/sites but the hyperlink to the > International > Baha'i Library didn't work for me yesterday. > > Loving regards, > Iskandar --- This is the ftp site, but One Common Faith is not in it yet. http://library.bahai.org/serv/ftpc.html Regards, Iskandar > > Quoting Steve Cooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Yes, > > > > There is a Baha'i World Centre edition on heavy antique style > paper > > in a > > dark green, copies of which went out at Naw-Ruz to the NSA's and > > Counsellors. There is an inexpensive Indian edition (US 2.50 or > 3.50) > > which > > can be ordered via credit card if required, which was announced > just > > prior > > to Ridvan through Bahi newsgroups. Recently the UK Publishing > Triust > > advertised the Haifa version > > > http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html > > > > > > It's a slim volume though. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve Cooney. > > http://www.bci.org/kapiticoastbahai/collateral/bookindex.htm > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dean Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 7:33 p.m. > > To: Baha'i Studies > > Subject: Re: Common Faith > > > > Is this document available in print? > > > > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 02/05/2005 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
Dear Khazeh and all -
If we can start to post (with permission) paragraphs of the document, I believe it is time we do so!
I am sure everyone here has read "Dominus Iesus", by Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger when he was Prefect of Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith (CDF) and before he was the Roman Pontiff? And the quasi-reply thereto from Dr. Savi in World Order? If not, now would be a good time to read and re-read.
Love,
BarmakKhazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Maybe now that we all have the document One Common Faith [and so many haveseen it on Ocean] maybe now we could study some of it or all of it together?Earlier I wrote:I was wondering that in order to follow the arguments of this most seminalDocument [ONE COMMON FAITH] we also need to quickly review the variousrestrictive definitions of the previous faiths [restrictivisms]The most significant document of Christian [Catholic] restrictivism is theone written by the present Pope in his earlier function and appointment http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTMDECLARATION "DOMINUS IESUS":ON THE UNICITY AND SALVIFIC UNIVERSALITY OF JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH In beliefnet Karen Armstrong writes about all such
restrictivismshttp://www.beliefnet.com/story/88/story_8849_1.htmlandhttp://dialogue.adventist.org/articles/07_1_dybdahl_e.htmOver the years Christian theologians have developed three basic answers tothe questions listed above.1 Answer 1: Restrictivism Restrictivism holds that all the unevangelized are damned. Unless peoplehear the message of Jesus and respond, they have no hope. This has been themost widely held belief through Christian history. Augustine taught thisview, as did the Reformation theologian John Calvin. Many modernevangelicals continue to believe and preach it.2 However, many Christianstoday do not accept this position. The strength of this concept lies in its powerful motivation for mission. J.Hudson Taylor, the great British missionary of the past century, founded hismissionary society on this premise. By graphically portraying the millionsof Chinese g!
oing into
Christless graves doomed to eternal death, Taylormoved thousands to give of their money, time, and even lives to work forinland China. Many 20th-century mission societies continue to do the same. Restrictivists find support for their position in such Bible passages asJohn 3:36 ("He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does notobey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him") and 1John 5:12 ("He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God hasnot life.")* The restrictivist has a problem. How can one believe in a just and lovingGod if people will be lost because they have not had a chance to hear thegood news of Jesus, through no fault of their own? Watching a film series on missionaries produced by the British BroadcastingCorporation brought this home in a vivid way. The setting was a clearing inthe dense New Guinea jungle. A young evangelical missionary couple sat sideby side!
as they
were interviewed. Questions were asked about their work with a tribe that had never beforebeen reached by Christian missionaries. Having seen the interviewer inaction earlier, I could sense what was coming. He did not disappoint me.Looking squarely at the young wife the reporter asked, "Do you reallybelieve that this tribe would be lost eternally if you had not come to teachthem about Jesus? You have earlier declared what lovable people they are.Why would God do this?" The camera zoomed in on her face, which showed agitation and uncertainty.Clearly she had been taught that her answer should be "yes," but it was sohard to say it and defend it in such a situation. In desperation she turnedto her husband who did his best to provide an answer. The interview went on,but the point had been made. Answer 2: Universalism Universalism maintains that all sincere religious seekers will be saved.Most Christian universalists see!
this as
taking place through the work ormerit of Jesus. While there are many differing explanations of how thisoccurs, one thing is certain: in the end all unevangelized--even those whoare now rebellious--will be rescued. A minority of universalists believe that God will save all people in spiteof their choices. A larger number hold that God will continue working withpeople until all finally are convinced that His way is best. Universalism was advocated in the early church through the writings ofOrigen. It fell into disfavour and was revived only after the Reformation.Since 1800 it has been gaining strength among both Protestants and RomanCatholics. Part of this development is due to the revulsion many Christianfeel toward the restrictivist position. Well-known 20th-century proponentsinclude British Bible scholars William Barclay and John A. T. Robinson, aswell as American theologian Paul Tillich. Among the universalists' favo!
urite
texts are: 1 Timothy 4:10
RE: Common Faith
Quoting Iskandar Hai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's > International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know > how > to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it > on > the bahai.org website yesterday. > > http://www.bahai.org/dir/sites but the hyperlink to the > International > Baha'i Library didn't work for me yesterday. > > Loving regards, > Iskandar --- This is the ftp site, but One Common Faith is not in it yet. http://library.bahai.org/serv/ftpc.html Regards, Iskandar > > Quoting Steve Cooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > Yes, > > > > There is a Baha'i World Centre edition on heavy antique style > paper > > in a > > dark green, copies of which went out at Naw-Ruz to the NSA's and > > Counsellors. There is an inexpensive Indian edition (US 2.50 or > 3.50) > > which > > can be ordered via credit card if required, which was announced > just > > prior > > to Ridvan through Bahi newsgroups. Recently the UK Publishing > Triust > > advertised the Haifa version > > > http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html > > > > > > It's a slim volume though. > > > > Cheers, > > Steve Cooney. > > http://www.bci.org/kapiticoastbahai/collateral/bookindex.htm > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Dean Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 7:33 p.m. > > To: Baha'i Studies > > Subject: Re: Common Faith > > > > Is this document available in print? > > > > > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
I was trying to see if I could download it from the World Centre's International Library but I couldn't find it there. Does anyone know how to get a digital electronic copy of this document? I couldn't find it on the bahai.org website yesterday. http://www.bahai.org/dir/sites but the hyperlink to the International Baha'i Library didn't work for me yesterday. Loving regards, Iskandar Quoting Steve Cooney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Yes, > > There is a Baha'i World Centre edition on heavy antique style paper > in a > dark green, copies of which went out at Naw-Ruz to the NSA's and > Counsellors. There is an inexpensive Indian edition (US 2.50 or 3.50) > which > can be ordered via credit card if required, which was announced just > prior > to Ridvan through Bahi newsgroups. Recently the UK Publishing Triust > advertised the Haifa version > http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html > > > It's a slim volume though. > > Cheers, > Steve Cooney. > http://www.bci.org/kapiticoastbahai/collateral/bookindex.htm > > -Original Message- > From: Dean Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 7:33 p.m. > To: Baha'i Studies > Subject: Re: Common Faith > > Is this document available in print? > > > __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
RE: Common Faith
Yes, There is a Baha'i World Centre edition on heavy antique style paper in a dark green, copies of which went out at Naw-Ruz to the NSA's and Counsellors. There is an inexpensive Indian edition (US 2.50 or 3.50) which can be ordered via credit card if required, which was announced just prior to Ridvan through Bahi newsgroups. Recently the UK Publishing Triust advertised the Haifa version http://www.bahai-publishing-trust.co.uk/acatalog/New_releases___April.html It's a slim volume though. Cheers, Steve Cooney. http://www.bci.org/kapiticoastbahai/collateral/bookindex.htm -Original Message- From: Dean Betts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 3 May 2005 7:33 p.m. To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Common Faith Is this document available in print? __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
Is this document available in print? Maybe now that we all have the document One Common Faith [and so many have seen it on Ocean] maybe now we could study some of it or all of it together? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.2 - Release Date: 5/2/05 __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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Maybe now that we all have the document One Common Faith [and so many have
seen it on Ocean] maybe now we could study some of it or all of it together?
Earlier I wrote:
I was wondering that in order to follow the arguments of this most seminal
Document [ONE COMMON FAITH] we also need to quickly review the various
restrictive definitions of the previous faiths [restrictivisms]
The most significant document of Christian [Catholic] restrictivism is the
one written by the present Pope in his earlier function and appointment
http://www.ewtn.com/library/CURIA/CDFUNICI.HTM
DECLARATION "DOMINUS IESUS":
ON THE UNICITY AND SALVIFIC UNIVERSALITY OF
JESUS CHRIST AND THE CHURCH
CONGREGATION FOR THE DOCTRINE OF THE FAITH
In beliefnet Karen Armstrong writes about all such restrictivisms
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/88/story_8849_1.html
and
http://dialogue.adventist.org/articles/07_1_dybdahl_e.htm
Over the years Christian theologians have developed three basic answers to
the questions listed above.1
Answer 1: Restrictivism
Restrictivism holds that all the unevangelized are damned. Unless people
hear the message of Jesus and respond, they have no hope. This has been the
most widely held belief through Christian history. Augustine taught this
view, as did the Reformation theologian John Calvin. Many modern
evangelicals continue to believe and preach it.2 However, many Christians
today do not accept this position.
The strength of this concept lies in its powerful motivation for mission. J.
Hudson Taylor, the great British missionary of the past century, founded his
missionary society on this premise. By graphically portraying the millions
of Chinese going into Christless graves doomed to eternal death, Taylor
moved thousands to give of their money, time, and even lives to work for
inland China. Many 20th-century mission societies continue to do the same.
Restrictivists find support for their position in such Bible passages as
John 3:36 ("He who believes in the Son has eternal life; he who does not
obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God rests upon him") and 1
John 5:12 ("He who has the Son has life; he who has not the Son of God has
not life.")*
The restrictivist has a problem. How can one believe in a just and loving
God if people will be lost because they have not had a chance to hear the
good news of Jesus, through no fault of their own?
Watching a film series on missionaries produced by the British Broadcasting
Corporation brought this home in a vivid way. The setting was a clearing in
the dense New Guinea jungle. A young evangelical missionary couple sat side
by side as they were interviewed.
Questions were asked about their work with a tribe that had never before
been reached by Christian missionaries. Having seen the interviewer in
action earlier, I could sense what was coming. He did not disappoint me.
Looking squarely at the young wife the reporter asked, "Do you really
believe that this tribe would be lost eternally if you had not come to teach
them about Jesus? You have earlier declared what lovable people they are.
Why would God do this?"
The camera zoomed in on her face, which showed agitation and uncertainty.
Clearly she had been taught that her answer should be "yes," but it was so
hard to say it and defend it in such a situation. In desperation she turned
to her husband who did his best to provide an answer. The interview went on,
but the point had been made.
Answer 2: Universalism
Universalism maintains that all sincere religious seekers will be saved.
Most Christian universalists see this as taking place through the work or
merit of Jesus. While there are many differing explanations of how this
occurs, one thing is certain: in the end all unevangelized--even those who
are now rebellious--will be rescued.
A minority of universalists believe that God will save all people in spite
of their choices. A larger number hold that God will continue working with
people until all finally are convinced that His way is best.
Universalism was advocated in the early church through the writings of
Origen. It fell into disfavour and was revived only after the Reformation.
Since 1800 it has been gaining strength among both Protestants and Roman
Catholics. Part of this development is due to the revulsion many Christian
feel toward the restrictivist position. Well-known 20th-century proponents
include British Bible scholars William Barclay and John A. T. Robinson, as
well as American theologian Paul Tillich.
Among the universalists' favourite texts are: 1 Timothy 4:10, where Paul
speaks of God "who is the Savoir of all men"; Titus 2:11, "For the grace of
God has appeared for the salvation of all men"; and John 12:32, where Jesus
declares "'And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to
myself.'"
The strength of the universalist position is its view of God. A divine Being
who in the end saves everyone can easily be seen as loving, caring, and
long-sufferin
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ffering. On the other hand, universalists, if they take the Bible seriously, have a difficult time explaining why Jesus commands His followers to take His saving message "to the end of the earth" (Acts 1:8) "and make disciples of all nations" (Matthew 28:19). Why witness if all people everywhere will in the end be saved? Answer 3: Inclusivism Between the two extremes of restrictivism and universalism is inclusivism or the "wider hope." This view holds that because of what God did through Jesus Christ, all sincere religious seekers will be saved. While Jesus is the basis for salvation, He can save true seekers of other religions or of no religion at all who may never know about Him. Inclusivism differs from universalism in that people who are not true seekers of salvation are lost. At present, inclusivism is gaining adherents, often at the expense of restrictivism. John Wesley, the founder of Methodism, and C. S. Lewis, the popular Christian writer, are among those who have supported inclusivism. What do inclusivists believe about how salvation takes place? Some maintain that God in some way gives all a chance to hear about Jesus and make their decision. One group sees a special evangelization taking place after death, while others see it occurring before death. Still another group believes God doesn't need to evangelize these people. Since He knows all things, He can simply judge them on the basis of how they would have responded if they had heard the message. Probably the largest group feels that sincere seeking after God and doing right are all that is needed for salvation to take place. All viewpoints agree that God can save people without actual contact with a flesh-and-blood Christian missionary or witness. As Bible evidence for their position, inclusivists often utilize texts used by universalists and even restrictivists, but interpret them differently. They would interpret "Savior of all men" as referring to accessibility of salvation to all, rather than the necessity of salvation. The texts used by restrictivists speak of the necessity of "having the Son," or "obeying the Son." Inclusivists understand these texts to mean that the unevangelized could obtain salvation without explicitly knowing the name or identity of Jesus. Inclusivists claim that they are able to defend the goodness of God. Although some are lost, it is by their own choice. God honors that choice by not forcing them to live in heaven. Important evaluation principles When we study these varying views, we must keep four crucial principles in mind: 1. Sincere Bible-believing Christians are in all three camps… From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Nolan Sent: 02 May 2005 02:44 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Common Faith Dear Kazeh, I don't have Ocean. Is this document available on the web? Thanks, Tim Nolan Khazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An important, very important document, One Common Faith is now placed on the Ocean. If you wish we could read it two pages at a time together *** If they are to respond to the need, Baha'ms must draw on a deep understanding of the process by which humanity's spiritual life evolves. Baha'u'llah's writings provide insights that can help to elevate discussion of religious issues above sectarian and transient considerations. The responsibility to avail oneself of this spiritual resource is inseparable from the gift of faith itself. "Religious fanaticism and hatred", Baha'u'llah warns, "are a world-devouring fire, whose violence none can quench. The Hand of Divine power can, alone, deliver mankind from this desolating affliction" Far from feeling unsupported in their efforts to respond, Baha'ms will come increasingly to appreciate that the Cause they serve represents the arrowhead of an awakening taking place among people everywhere, regardless of religious background and indeed among many with no religious leaning. Reflection on the challenge has prompted us to commission the commentary that follows. One Common Faith, prepared under our supervision, reviews relevant passages from both the writings of Baha'u'llah and the scriptures of other faiths against the background of the contemporary crisis. We commend it to the thoughtful study of the friends. (Commissioned by The Universal House of Justice, One Common Faith) *** __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.
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Ocean is freely available dear Tim For a start please we should all have Ocean What is Ocean? Ocean is a free collection of the World's Religious literature managed by a unique book-centered research engine. It contains over 1000 books of 10 world religions in English as well as collections in six other languages (French, Spanish, German, Russian, Dutch, and Portuguese). If you have a slow internet connection don't despair. We will happily mail you a CD at cost anywhere on the planet! Our purpose in giving away Ocean is to promote amity among religions through greater understanding. It is our belief that the actual teachings of the various religions are not so different as some people would have us believe. True, religions have been used by power-hungry leaders as a tool to divide people. But eventually people will get tired of formulaes of hate and begin to ask "what do the scriptures really say?" What they will find is shocking: the core message of all the world's religious writings is the same: ethical integrity, honesty, sincerity, compassion, tolerance and non-violence. No kidding! It's hard to accept this in a world filled with "religious" bigotry and hatred -- but just look for yourself! Enjoy Ocean, share it freely. If you appreciate our project, help out by spreading the word. If you have a web-page, feel free to add the Ocean button which will direct people straight to this page. Peace. How to Download Ocean Download the file below and run it to start the installation process. It contains the Ocean program and the English library containing roughly 1000 books. Ocean installation with English Library: Ocean_English.exe (~20mb) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tim Nolan Sent: 02 May 2005 02:44 To: Baha'i Studies Subject: Re: Common Faith Dear Kazeh, I don't have Ocean. Is this document available on the web? Thanks, Tim Nolan Khazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An important, very important document, One Common Faith is now placed on the Ocean. If you wish we could read it two pages at a time together *** If they are to respond to the need, Baha'ms must draw on a deep understanding of the process by which humanity's spiritual life evolves. Baha'u'llah's writings provide insights that can help to elevate discussion of religious issues above sectarian and transient considerations. The responsibility to avail oneself of this spiritual resource is inseparable from the gift of faith itself. "Religious fanaticism and hatred", Baha'u'llah warns, "are a world-devouring fire, whose violence none can quench. The Hand of Divine power can, alone, deliver mankind from this desolating affliction" Far from feeling unsupported in their efforts to respond, Baha'ms will come increasingly to appreciate that the Cause they serve represents the arrowhead of an awakening taking place among people everywhere, regardless of religious background and indeed among many with no religious leaning. Reflection on the challenge has prompted us to commission the commentary that follows. One Common Faith, prepared under our supervision, reviews relevant passages from both the writings of Baha'u'llah and the scriptures of other faiths against the background of the contemporary crisis. We commend it to the thoughtful study of the friends. (Commissioned by The Universal House of Justice, One Common Faith)://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu <>__ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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Tim, At 08:43 PM 5/1/2005, you wrote: >>I don't have Ocean. Is this document available on the web?<< Ocean is one of many search programs (like REFER). It is free: http://www.bahai-education.org/ocean/ Via moderna, Mark A. Foster http://markfoster.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Sacred cows make the tastiest hamburger." -- Abbott "Abbie" Hoffman __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Common Faith
Dear Kazeh, I don't have Ocean. Is this document available on the web? Thanks, Tim NolanKhazeh Fananapazir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: An important, very important document, One Common Faith is now placed on theOcean.If you wish we could read it two pages at a time together*** If they are to respond to the need, Bahá'ís must draw on a deepunderstanding of the process by which humanity's spiritual life evolves.Bahá'u'lláh's writings provide insights that can help to elevate discussionof religious issues above sectarian and transient considerations. Theresponsibility to avail oneself of this spiritual resource is inseparablefrom the gift of faith itself. "Religious fanaticism and hatred",Bahá'u'lláh warns, "are a world-devouring fire, whose violence none canquench. The Hand of Divine power can, alone, deliver mankind from thisdesolating affliction" Far from feeling unsupported in their efforts torespond, Bahá'ís will come increasingly to appreciate that the Cause theyserve represents the arrowhead of an awakening taking place among peopleeverywhere, regardless of religious background and indeed among many with noreligious leaning.Reflection on the challenge has prompted us to commission the commentarythat follows. One Common Faith, prepared under our supervision, reviewsrelevant passages from both the writings of Bahá'u'lláh and the scripturesof other faiths against the background of the contemporary crisis. Wecommend it to the thoughtful study of the friends.(Commissioned by The Universal House of Justice, One Common Faith)***__You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-stBaha'i Studies is available through the following:Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.eduWeb - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-stNews - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-stPublic - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaistOld Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.netNew Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business - Try our new resources site! __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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Yes, please, good Khazeh. Thank you! I will be most pleased and edified to study this document with the friends. Richard. H. Gravelly - Original Message - From: "Khazeh Fananapazir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Baha'i Studies" Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Common Faith An important, very important document, One Common Faith is now placed on the Ocean. If you wish we could read it two pages at a time together __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
