Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
All,
Below are a few other verses ofthe New Testament that directly mention "the Glory of God". Since therevised versions of the Arabic Bible are readily available on the internet, I did verify that theycurrently use the wordMajd'u'llah. I assume the 1933 versions of the Bible used "Baha'u'llah" for these terms as well. If not incovenience, please confirm.
John 11:40 - Then Jesus said, "Did I not tell you that if you believed, you would see the Glory of God (Majd'u'llah, Baha'u'llah)?"
Romans 5:2 - And we rejoice in the hope of the Glory of God (Majd'u'llah, Baha'u'llah).
1 Corinthians 10:31 - So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the Glory of God (Majd'u'llah, Baha'u'llah).
Still, the verse in Revelation 21:23 is the most striking. Why?
It is the very section about:
- "The New Jerusalem",
- the coming of the Kingdom of God on earth.
- "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them."
- "God himself will be with them."
- "There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
Baha'u'llah proclaimed He brought the New World Order, one that would replace today's weak and crumbling order. Revelation 21:5 "I am making everything New!"... "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."
Then John says that the "loud voice from the throne" says : "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life."
Finally, John looks into the city but doesn't see a temple in it, but acknowledges that Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple. It doesn't need a temple at all, because Baha'u'llah, the Glory of God, gives it light, while the Lamb is the lampfrom which theGlory of God, Baha'u'llah, shines.
The New City is New because the Glory of God, Baha'u'llah,does the following:
1. replaces the sun and the moon
2.guides the nations, makes them honorable and glorious
3. permits the kings and rules to be splendorous
4. enables the gates to always be open (since the Glory always shines and never sets)
5. prevents impurity from every entering the City
All these topics are covered in detail in the Kitab-i-Iqan.
Regards,
Hajir
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Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
On 9/4/05, Brent Poirier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's think through the question of whether Baha'u'llah chose His Name because it was mentioned in the Revelation of John explicitly. He assumed this name when He lived in Iraq; or was He still living in Iran? Both countries 90% Muslim. If His intention was to posture His name to fulfill prophecy, would He not have chosen a name from the Qur'an? Not necessarily. There are about two billion Christians in the world. There are over a billion Muslims. I'm NOT trying to accuse anyone of the Bahai figures of being cynical or dishonest but if I were going to make a popular world religion I wouldn't just ignore Biblical prophecies just because I'm in a part of the world where there are few Christians. Peace Gilberto The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
--[Why did Mirza Husayn-Ali Nuri use the title "Baha'u'llah"?]There are about two billion Christians in the world.There are over a billion Muslims. I'm NOT trying to accuse anyone ofthe Bahai figures of being cynical or dishonest but if I were going tomake a popular world religion I wouldn't just ignore Biblicalprophecies just because I'm in a part of the world where there are fewChristians.
Hi Gilberto,
The primary proof for Baha'u'llahareHisWritings,the transformative power He had over His companions and followers, and the fact that His principles,layed out over 150 years ago,are beingcarried out bypeople who are ironically still unaware of Him.
1. Some of His Writingsguide andshine Glory/Bahaupon the individual and the nations:
A) "In all matters moderation is desirable. If a thing is carried to excess, it will prove a source of evil."
B) "Know, verily, the heart wherein the least remnant of envy yet lingers, shall never attain My everlasting dominion, nor inhale the sweet savors of holiness breathing from My kingdom of sanctity."
C) "The purpose of religion as revealed from the heaven of God's holy Will is to establish unity and concord amongst the peoples of the world; make it not the cause of dissension and strife."
2. And others give us a glimpse into His Unique relationship with God Almighty, and instill in us a sense of awe for God and His Manifestation.
Baha'u'llah creates a new people whoshare with Himthe qualitiesof His Own Eyes, Ears, and Tongue eyes that only see God, ears that only perceive God's Word, and tongues that only mention God's remembrance.
"O **EYES** of this Temple! Look not upon the heavens and that which they contain, nor upon the earth and them that dwell thereon, for We have created you to behold Our own Beauty: See it now before you! Withhold not your gaze therefrom, and deprive not yourselves of the Beauty of your Lord, the All-Glorious, the Best-Beloved. Erelong shall We bring into being through you keen and penetrating**EYES** that will contemplate the manifold signs of their Creator and turn away from all that is perceived by the people of the world. Through you shall We bestow the power of**VISION** upon whomsoever We desire, and lay hold upon those who have deprived themselves of this gracious bounty. These, verily, have drunk from the cup of delusion, though they perceive it not.
O**EARS** of this Temple! Purge yourselves from all idle clamour and hearken unto the voice of your Lord. He, verily, revealeth unto you, from the Throne of glory, that there is none other God save Me, the All-Glorious, the Almighty, the Help in Peril, the Self-Subsisting. Erelong shall We bring into being through you pure and undefiled**EARS** which will heed the Word of God and that which hath appeared from the Dayspring of the Utterance of your Lord, the All-Merciful. They shall assuredly**PERCEIVE** the sweet accents of Divine Revelation that proceed from these most blessed and hallowed precincts.
O**TONGUE** of this Temple! We, verily, have created thee through Our name, the All-Merciful, have taught thee whatsoever had remained concealed in the Bayn, and have bestowed upon thee the power of **UTTERANCE**, that thou mayest **MAKE MENTION** of Mine exalted Self amidst My creatures. **PROCLAIM**, then, this wondrous and mighty Remembrance, and fear not the manifestations of the Evil One. Thou wert called into being for this very purpose by virtue of My transcendent and all-compelling command. Through thee have We unloosed the **TONGUEOF UTTERANCE** to expound all that hath been, and We shall again, by My sovereign power, unloose it to **SPEAK** of that which is yet to come. Erelong shall We bring into being through thee eloquent **TONGUES** that will praise and extol Me amongst the Concourse on high and amidst the peoples of the world. Thus have the verses of God been revealed, and thus hath it been decreed by the Lord of all names and at!
tributes.
Thy Lord, verily, is the True One, the Knower of things unseen. Nothing whatsoever shall prevent these **TONGUES** from magnifying their Creator. Through them, all created things shall arise to glorify the Lord of names and to bear witness that there is none other God save Me, the All-Powerful, the Most-Glorious, the Best-Beloved. Nor shall those who make mention of Me **SPEAK** aught unless they be inspired by this**TONGUE** from its lofty station. Few, however, are they who understand! No **TONGUE** is there that speaketh not the praises of its Lord and maketh not mention of His Name. Amongst the people, however, are those who understand and utter praises, and those who utter praises, yet understand not."
-Baha'u'llah, Surih of the Temple 19-21
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Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
Certitude My dear dear Gilberto: You wrote: ** But the name Baháu'lláh was one which he chose for himself. It's more of a title. .. Peace...Gilberto** In order to really understand this absorbing theme one has to have a wide and broad perspective. I respect your knowledge and certitude in the Holy Qur'an as the Word of God [which certitude this servant of yours shares] You recall how that Divine Book [the Qur'an] says that Jesus promised the Coming of One Called Ah.mad. If you and me and others ponder an hour or two on that particular promise, its origin, its provenance, its fulfilment, the answer to your question posted http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu/msg05248.html will be evident and perspicuous. ** Yusuf Ali 61:6 And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: O Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God (sent) to you, confirming the Law (which came) before me, and giving Glad Tidings of an Apostle to come after me, WHOSE NAME SHALL BE AHMAD. BUT WHEN HE CAME TO THEM WITH CLEAR SIGNS, THEY SAID, THIS IS EVIDENT SORCERY! Arberry 61:6 And when Jesus son of Mary said, 'Children of Israel, I am indeed the Messenger of God to you, confirming the Torah that is before me, and GIVING GOOD TIDINGS OF A MESSENGER WHO SHALL COME AFTER ME, WHOSE NAME SHALL BE AHMAD.' Then, when he brought them the clear signs, they said, 'This is a manifest sorcery.' Baha'u'llah testified indeed that His Name was Ah.mad. ** And I praise and glorify the first sea which hath branched from the ocean of the Divine Essence, and the first morn which hath glowed from the Horizon of Oneness, and the first sun which hath risen in the Heaven of Eternity, and the first fire which was lit from the Lamp of Pre-existence in the lantern of singleness: He who was Ahmad in the kingdom of the exalted ones, and Muhammad amongst the concourse of the near ones, and Mahmud in the realm of the sincere ones. (Baha'u'llah: Seven Valleys and Four Valleys, Page: 2)** Here in this most remarkable passage **FIRSTNESS** is also explained... So in relation to His [Baha'u'llah's Name being Baha'u'llah] I agree with you but have certitude that this was the Will of God. ** He was formally designated Baha'u'llah, an appellation specifically recorded in the Persian Bayan, signifying at once the glory, the light and the splendour of God, and was styled the Lord of Lords, the Most Great Name, the Ancient Beauty, the Pen of the Most High, the Hidden Name, the Preserved Treasure, He Whom God will make manifest, the Most Great Light, the All-Highest Horizon, the Most Great Ocean, the Supreme Heaven, the Pre-Existent Root, the Self-Subsistent, the Day-Star of the Universe, the Great Announcement, the Speaker on Sinai, the Sifter of Men, the Wronged One of the World, the Desire of the Nations, the Lord of the Covenant, the Tree beyond which there is no passing (Shoghi Effendi: God Passes By, Page: 94)** HE ALSO WROTE ** Thou seest Me forbidden to speak forth: Then from where will spring Thy melodies, O Nightingale of the worlds? Most of the people are enwrapped in fancy and idle imaginings: WHERE ARE THE EXPONENTS OF THY CERTITUDE, O ASSURANCE OF THE WORLDS? Baha is drowning in a sea of tribulation: Where is the Ark of Thy salvation, O Saviour of the worlds? Thou seest the Dayspring of Thine utterance in the darkness of creation: Where is the sun of the heaven of Thy grace, O Light giver of the worlds? (Baha'u'llah: Baha'i Prayers (US), Page: 218)** ** By the righteousness of God! Idle fancies have debarred men from the Horizon of Certitude, and vain imaginings withheld them from the Choice Sealed Wine. (Baha'u'llah: Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, Page: 44)** ** It behooveth thee now to reflect upon the state of Mirza Hadi Dawlat-Abadi and of Sad-i-Isfahani (Sadru'l-'Ulama), who reside in the Land of Ta (Tihran). No sooner had the former heard that he had been called a Babi than he became so perturbed that his poise and dignity forsook him. He ascended the pulpits and spoke words which ill befitted him. From time immemorial the clay clods of the world have, wholly by reason of their love of leadership, perpetrated such acts as have caused men to err. Thou must not, however, imagine that all the faithful are such as these two. We have described unto thee the constancy, the firmness, the steadfastness, the certitude, the imperturbability and the dignity of the martyrs of this Revelation, that thou mayest be well-informed. My purpose in citing the passages from the Tablets to the kings and others hath been that thou mayest know of a certainty that this Wronged One hath not concealed the Cause of God, but hath proclaimed and delivered, in the most eloquent language, before the face of the world, the things He had been commissioned to set forth. (Baha'u'llah: Epistle to the Son of the Wolf, Pages: 86-87)** ** Ponder, now, O Shaykh, the influence of the word of
Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
Let's think through the question of whether Baha'u'llah chose His Name because it was mentioned in the Revelation of John explicitly. He assumed this name when He lived in Iraq; or was He still living in Iran? Both countries 90% Muslim. If His intention was to posture His name to fulfill prophecy, would He not have chosen a name from the Qur'an? Instead His name resonates with entries in the Book of Isaiah and the Revelation of St. John. His first significant contacts with Jews would perhaps have been in the Jewish district of Baghdad; in the Holy Land, the first aliyah, the first significant migration of Jews began in the last few years of His life, but still, these were not in great numbers. And of course a significant part of the (then) village of Haifa was Christian, and we know He met some of those. So perhaps we can instead assume good faith. Perhaps we can instead look for a divine sign in the matter. This sign is reinforced when we consider that these verses Khazeh has quoted, have an introduction earlier in these words of Jesus, quoted in the Revelation of St. John, Chapter 3, verse 13. (A note first. The word here translated as overcome comes from a word meaning to conquer, prevail, be victorious.) He who overcomes, I will make him a pillar in the temple of My God, and he shall go out no more. I will write on him the name of My God and the name of the city of My God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven from My God. And I will write on him My new name. Observe how emphatically Jesus states that He will come with a new name. Also please observe how He links this sacred name with the city of God, the New Jerusalem, which comes down out of heaven. Now, consider this verse, later in the Revelation of John, in 21:10-11. John is carried away in the spirit by an angel to a great and high mountain, and the angel shows him the great city, the holy Jerusalem descending out of heaven from God, HAVING THE GLORY OF GOD. This is not merely a reference to the Glory of God. It is the fulfillment of the sign Jesus gave, where He says that the city of God, the New Jerusalem, will bear His new name. And in the days of Baha'u'llah when the clergy had translated the Bible into Arabic, they had translated this verse into its most natural Arabic phrasing, BAHA'U'LLAH. Later, I assume, as the missionaries came to realize the claim of Baha'u'llah, this translation changed. If a verse in the Old Testament had prophecied that the Messiah would come with the name JESUS or the ANOINTED ONE (The Christ), that verse would be imprinted in gold on the front of every Bible being printed today, as the greatest and most explicit prophecy in the Old Testament. Likewise, if the Old or New Testament had expressly prophecied the sacred name of MUHAMMAD, that verse would be proclaimed widely by the Muslim world. Now we have clear prophecies of Baha'u'llah's sacred name in the Old and New Testaments, (and in the utterances of the Imams, as Khazeh has shown). I am reminded of the story a friend told, of some Sufis in Arizona who were waiting for the great Message to come, and they believed it would be accompanied by a 9-pointed star. The Baha'i teacher showed them the Baha'i 9-pointed star, and the Temples made with 9 sides. The Sufi paused and said, Not *that* 9-pointed star. A *different* 9-pointed star. As the Master said, after showing that the promised date of the appearance of the Bab, brought together Muslim, Christian and Jewish prophecies: Nothing could be clearer than this agreement of the prophecies with one another. The Bb appeared in the year 1260 of the Hejira of Muhammad, which is the beginning of the universal era-reckoning of all Islam. There are no clearer proofs than this in the Holy Books for any Manifestation. For him who is just, the agreement of the times indicated by the tongues of the Great Ones is the most conclusive proof. There is no other possible explanation of these prophecies. Blessed are the just souls who seek the truth. (Some Answered Questions, p. 71) Brent The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to
RE: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
Dear Hajir
Thank you for your
interest.
I do not know is the true way to respond. or i do not
know the reason for the change from **Baha'u'llah** as the translation of the
koine Greek of the New Testament "DOXA TOU
THEOU".
But it is certainly the case that in the Arabic New
Testaments of the Library of the Congress of the dates 1833 and 1858 for the
Revelation Passage of John the Arabic is "Baha'u'llah" and subsequently it is
"Majdullah".
As early as 1902 as evidenced by Professor Edward
Granville Browne in his MSBR this was known by Baha'is [such as Gabriel Sacy]
who wrote l'Agneau de Dieu [the Lamb of God].
Interestingly this change is not seen in the Old
Testament **BAHA** which in Hebrew is Kabod.
Thus Isaiah 35 referring to Carmel and Sharon has
**BAHA -a ILAAH ina**
***And in another connection He saith: "The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and
the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose. It shall blossom
abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon
shall be given unto it, the splendour of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the
glory of the Lord, and the splendour of our God."
These passages stand in need of no
commentary. They are shining and manifest as the sun, and glowing and luminous
as light itself. Every fair-minded person is led, by the fragrance of
these words, unto the garden of understanding, and attaineth unto that from
which most men are veiled and debarred(Baha'u'llah: Epistle to
the Son of the Wolf, Page: 146)
thanks for your
interest
this
article may be of interest
The New Testament
The Arabic word Bah' obviously does
not occur directly in the Greek New Testament. Its theological equivalent
is the Greek word doxa = radiant "glory", which translates the
Hebrew kabd.(9)
The Arabic word Bah' is however, found at certain points in Arabic
versions of the New Testament and in other Arabic writings. A good example
occurs in Revelation 21:23 where John of Patmos predicts,
And I saw no temple in the
city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb. And the
city has no need of sun or moon to shine upon it, for the glory of God
(=Bah'u'llh) is its light, and its lamp is the Lamb.
In one of his Tablets to a Jewish
Bah', Bah'u'llh cites this verse in Arabic exactly as
it was printed in the London 1858 (1671) edition of the William Watts
Arabic Bible for the Eastern Churches.
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hajir
MoghaddamSent: 03 September 2005 17:34To: Baha'i
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Testament
Khazeh,
Thisis
amazing, I've never heard thisbefore.Have you come across
any *reasons* why the translations of the Bible were changed? Do you
personally believe it was related to the declaration of Baha'u'llah? Do
you know if in other versions of the Bible translated into Arabic in and
around 1833 another term (not "Baha'u'llah") was used as the translation of
"Glory of God"? What is the new translation of "Glory of
God"?
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Re: Glory of God in the Arabic New Testament
But the name Bahaullah was one which he chose for himself. It's more of a title. Is it possible that Mirza Hoseyn Ali Nuri picked the title Bahaullah as a name precisely because of its significance in the book of Revelation? Peace Gilberto The information contained in this e-mail and any attachments thereto (e-mail) is sent by the Johnson County Community College (JCCC) and is intended to be confidential and for the use of only the individual or entity named above. The information may be protected by federal and state privacy and disclosures acts or other legal rules. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are notified that retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error please immediately notify JCCC by email reply and immediately and permanently delete this e-mail message and any attachments thereto. Thank you. __ You are subscribed to Baha'i Studies as: mailto:archive@mail-archive.com Unsubscribe: send a blank email to mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: send subscribe bahai-st in the message body to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscribe: http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/all_forums/subscribe?name=bahai-st Baha'i Studies is available through the following: Mail - mailto:bahai-st@list.jccc.edu Web - http://list.jccc.edu:8080/read/?forum=bahai-st News - news://list.jccc.edu/bahai-st Public - http://www.escribe.com/religion/bahaist Old Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.net New Public - http://www.mail-archive.com/bahai-st@list.jccc.edu
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Gilberto Simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But the name Bahaullah was one which he chose for himself. It's moreof a title. Is it possible that Mirza Hoseyn Ali Nuri picked the titleBahaullah as a name precisely because of its significance in the bookof Revelation?PeaceGilberto
Gilberto,
I think it canbe reliably argued that the Bab established the name "Baha" as the appropriate name for He WHom God Will Make Manifest. So one would ask, did the Bab choose the name. Then one must recall that the Bab recognized the title "Baha" for Mirza Husayn Ali, so Baha`u'llah ammended the title, not create it for himself.
Regards,
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