Re: Status of Promulgation

2007-01-24 Thread smaneck
> The Guardian quotes a number of times from Promulgation in his 
> letters and 
> in God Passes By.  He does not regard it as unreliable. 

Dear Brent, 

The Guardian sometimes quotes pilgrim's notes. That doesn't make them 
reliable as a body. At most, it might give some status to the specific 
passage being quoted. I'm not sure whether or not we have the original 
transcript where Abdu'l-Baha refers to the 'missing link.' Nor do I 
know any place where the Guardian quotes that passage. 

warmest, Susan 


 
 
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Re: Status of Promulgation

2007-01-24 Thread Albert

Brent Poirier Attorney at Law wrote:

A point of clarification on this:

This idea is from a passage in Promulgation of Universal Peace.  The 
talks in that book are not authenticated, so we cannot be sure 
exactly what Abdu'l Baha said.  I wouldn't put too much weight on a 
statement from non-authenticated texts.>>



The Guardian quotes a number of times from Promulgation in his letters 
and in God Passes By.  He does not regard it as unreliable.  The House 
includes quotes from Promulgation in any number of the compilations on 
various subjects it has prepared.


In a letter written on behalf of the House on the authenticity of 
various books, it is implied that some of the talks in Promulgation are 
not authenticated and some are:


Regarding the status of Abdu'l-Baha's talks published in "The 
Promulgation of Universal Peace" and "Paris Talks", original Persian 
transcripts of some, but not all, of the talks are available. We 
provide the following extract from a letter written on behalf of the 
Universal House of Justice which indicates that "in the future each 
talk will have to be identified and those which are unauthenticated 
will have to be clearly distinguished from those which form a part of 
Baha'i Scripture:


"The original of "Some Answered Questions" in Persian is preserved in 
the Holy Land; its text was read in full and corrected by Abdu'l-Baha 
Himself. Unfortunately, Abdu'l-Baha did not read and authenticate all 
transcripts of His other talks, some of which have been translated into 
various languages and published. For many of His addresses included in 
"The Promulgation of Universal Peace" and "Paris Talks", for example, no 
original authenticated text has yet been found. However, the Guardian 
allowed such compilations to continue to be used by the friends. In the 
future each talk will have to be identified and those which are 
unauthenticated will have to be clearly distinguished from those which 
form a part of Baha'i Scripture. This does not mean that the 
unauthenticated talks will have to cease to be used --  merely that the 
degree of authenticity of every document will have to be known and 
understood. (23 March 1987)"


Memo from the Research Department quoting a letter written on behalf of 
the House


http://bahai-library.com/uhj/authenticity.texts.html >>

Brent




Thanks,

for the clarification Brent.

Albert




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Status of Promulgation

2007-01-24 Thread Brent Poirier Attorney at Law

A point of clarification on this:

This idea is from a passage in Promulgation of Universal Peace.  The talks 
in that book are not authenticated, so we cannot be sure exactly what 
Abdu'l Baha said.  I wouldn't put too much weight on a statement from 
non-authenticated texts.>>



The Guardian quotes a number of times from Promulgation in his letters and 
in God Passes By.  He does not regard it as unreliable.  The House includes 
quotes from Promulgation in any number of the compilations on various 
subjects it has prepared.


In a letter written on behalf of the House on the authenticity of various 
books, it is implied that some of the talks in Promulgation are not 
authenticated and some are:


Regarding the status of Abdu'l-Baha's talks published in "The Promulgation 
of Universal Peace" and "Paris Talks", original Persian transcripts of 
some, but not all, of the talks are available. We provide the following 
extract from a letter written on behalf of the Universal House of Justice 
which indicates that "in the future each talk will have to be identified 
and those which are unauthenticated will have to be clearly distinguished 
from those which form a part of Baha'i Scripture:


"The original of "Some Answered Questions" in Persian is preserved in the 
Holy Land; its text was read in full and corrected by Abdu'l-Baha Himself. 
Unfortunately, Abdu'l-Baha did not read and authenticate all transcripts of 
His other talks, some of which have been translated into various languages 
and published. For many of His addresses included in "The Promulgation of 
Universal Peace" and "Paris Talks", for example, no original authenticated 
text has yet been found. However, the Guardian allowed such compilations to 
continue to be used by the friends. In the future each talk will have to be 
identified and those which are unauthenticated will have to be clearly 
distinguished from those which form a part of Baha'i Scripture. This does 
not mean that the unauthenticated talks will have to cease to be used --  
merely that the degree of authenticity of every document will have to be 
known and understood. (23 March 1987)"


Memo from the Research Department quoting a letter written on behalf of the 
House


http://bahai-library.com/uhj/authenticity.texts.html >>

Brent







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