Re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God
allow me to open the door to the possibiliuty that these are 2 different
applications.
The Master is of course infallibly correct in speaking of the body of
members of the Faith.
then let us take joseph smith, whom the Guardian at least once called a "seer".
may we hypothesize, without violating any aspect of the Master's clear
statement that in culture xyz, following religion abc there might arise those
who will get Hit in the head with a major case of "o duh" and suddenly be
empowered with insite such that they guide many others to praxes far closer in
alignment with what is Outlined in the Tajalli and Tarazat than their culture
previously could see?
in other words, i hear Baha'u'llah saying no Ras'ul for 1k years,
and the Master saying no Nabi in the Baha'i Faith. but i don't hear the 2
statements being the same.
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Re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God, seers, poets, etc.
David Friedman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escribió: Good points. I now see there isn't any room for that possibility. // Hi David, I don't see this as white and black But to pretend they [the bahá’ís] are perfect [now], that the Bahá'ís of the future will not be a hundred times more mature, better balanced, more exemplary in their conduct, would be foolish." (Compilations, Lights of Guidance, p. 70) In confirmation of the exalted rank of the true believer, referred to by Bahá'u'lláh, He ['Abdu'l-Bahá] reveals the following: "The station which he who hath truly recognized this Revelation will attain is the same as the one ordained for such prophets of the house of Israel as are not regarded as Manifestations 'endowed with constancy.'" (Shoghi Effendi, The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 111) A see that “a revelation direct from God” and “the bearer of a new Cause” refers the same thing, so, according to God before 1000 years (1852?) there will not appear a Main Prophet. But, I think, in the near future there will be people inspired, much of them prophets (seers), poets, etc., they will be aligned to the decrees of the UHJ. They will not claim a new Cause; they will be perceptive people as it was in the past. In SAQ, ‘Abdu’l-Bahá explains the differences between primary and secondary prophets: “The Manifestations of universal Prophethood Who appeared independently are, for example, Abraham, Moses, Christ,
Muhammad, the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh. But the others who are followers and promoters are like Solomon, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah and Ezekiel. For the independent Prophets are founders; They establish a new religion [AMR] and make new creatures of men; They change the general morals, promote new customs and rules, renew the cycle and the Law. (SAQ, p. 164)
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Re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God
Good points. I now see there isn't any room for that possibility.Need more speed? Get Xtra Broadband!
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Re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God
" The Aqdas states that no one will come in the next thousand years
with a revelation direct from God. The latter three words are
important qualifiers, as 'Abdu'l-Baha did have a revelation, just not
direct from God. "
Dear David,
The words 'direct from God' don't appear in the original. It says no
one will come with an amr or Cause.
"It's my understanding that minor Prophets also have a revelation,
but not direct from God. If that is so, is there any reason why
a minor Prophet could not come during the next thousand years?""
It's hard to imagine what they would do if they did come seeing as
they would be totally subject to the Universal House of Justice. Here
is Abdu'l-Baha's interpretation of this verse:
"O servant of God! We have noted what thou didst write to Jináb-i-Ibn-
`Abhar, and thy question regarding the verse: `Whoso layeth claim to a
Revelation direct from God, ere the expiration of a full thousand
years, such a man is assuredly a lying impostor.'
The meaning of this is that any individual who, before the expiry of
a full thousand years--years known and clearly established by common
usage and requiring no interpretation-- should lay claim to a
Revelation direct from God, even though he should reveal certain
signs, that man is assuredly false and an impostor.
The substance is, that prior to the completion of a thousand years,
no individual may presume to breathe a word. All must consider
themselves to be of the order of subjects, submissive and obedient to
the commandments of God and the laws of the House of Justice. Should
any deviate by so much as a needle's point from the decrees of the
Universal House of Justice, or falter in his compliance therewith,
then is he of the outcast and rejected."
warmest, Susan
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re: Whoso claimeth a revelation direct from God
If by a "minor Prophet" you mean a Being who is sent to guide humanity, who
possesses infallibility, Who is intended by God that the people should follow
Him, then by implication the Master has stated that none will come.
If by a 'minor Prophet" you mean someone with the *station* of a minor Prophet,
then the Master has said that it is possible that many could come.
"In confirmation of the exalted rank of the true believer, referred to by
Bahá'u'lláh, He reveals the following: "The station which he who hath truly
recognized this Revelation will attain is the same as the one ordained for such
prophets of the house of Israel as are not regarded as Manifestations 'endowed
with constancy.'" (The World Order of Baha'u'llah, p. 111)
The reason I say that by implication the Master says that no minor Prophet
intended to have a following will come, is that His last words to humanity are:
"All must seek guidance and turn unto the Center of the Cause and the House of
Justice. And he that turneth unto whatsoever else is indeed in grievous error."
(The Will and Testament of `Abdu'l-Baha, p. 25)
I feel that by saying not to turn "unto whatsoever else", He is saying that God
will not send a Guide to us outside of the Guardian or the House of Justice
prior to the next Manifestation endowed with constancy, i.e. the next
Manifestation with a Revelation direct from God.
Brent
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