Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
I'm not sure that there's any way other than running FD in a debug mode
(and sufficiently high debug as well). At least I don't know of any.
On 07/01/2021 14:40, 'Frank Kirschner | Celebrate Records GmbH' via
bareos-users wrote:
Is there a way to monitor the FD during collecting the files to see,
how long it take to handle each directory in a file set?
Am 07.01.2021 um 14:08 schrieb Spadajspadaj:
Of course. It's all a matter of personal preference and personal needs.
There is one caveat though about full jobs and backup speed. It's all
ok if you're backing up just files and have no problem reading them
with the filedaemon. If you have some uncommon scenarios (like
backing up shares via CIFS from devices you can't install FD on or
using plugins to generate data for FD - in my case it might be a
script reading package list or a database dump), you might face SD
starvation leading to shoeshine. I suppose you could even hit
uderruns with big flat directories (but I'm not sure here - maybe the
files would just be read sequentially and not suffer that much from
long directory listing).
It's always good to do an analysis of what you need and what you have
:-)
On 07/01/2021 13:30, DUCARROZ Birgit wrote:
Yup this is a personal decision, that's right and every sysadmin
should check their own needs and possibilities.
We have 6TB (15TB compression) LTO-7 cartridges and about 20 TB of
data.
I decided to do it this way because I read in the originally bacula
book (from Philippe Storz) how backup is handling the tapes and
because even Philippe Storz himself advised me that this is a good
way to backup on single tapes.
See the following treat:
https://groups.google.com/g/bareos-users/c/g53BNdTat2s
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 13:12, Spadajspadaj wrote:
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups
;-) After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come
from nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental
nor differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to
always do full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full
backup twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once
per month. This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted,
the job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for
cartgidge 2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no
autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert
on Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks
first if the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before
the backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the
wring tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the
despooling process starts or must I split it each backup in two
jobs: copy to hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Is there a way to monitor the FD during collecting the files to see, how
long it take to handle each directory in a file set?
Am 07.01.2021 um 14:08 schrieb Spadajspadaj:
Of course. It's all a matter of personal preference and personal needs.
There is one caveat though about full jobs and backup speed. It's all
ok if you're backing up just files and have no problem reading them
with the filedaemon. If you have some uncommon scenarios (like backing
up shares via CIFS from devices you can't install FD on or using
plugins to generate data for FD - in my case it might be a script
reading package list or a database dump), you might face SD starvation
leading to shoeshine. I suppose you could even hit uderruns with big
flat directories (but I'm not sure here - maybe the files would just
be read sequentially and not suffer that much from long directory
listing).
It's always good to do an analysis of what you need and what you have :-)
On 07/01/2021 13:30, DUCARROZ Birgit wrote:
Yup this is a personal decision, that's right and every sysadmin
should check their own needs and possibilities.
We have 6TB (15TB compression) LTO-7 cartridges and about 20 TB of data.
I decided to do it this way because I read in the originally bacula
book (from Philippe Storz) how backup is handling the tapes and
because even Philippe Storz himself advised me that this is a good
way to backup on single tapes.
See the following treat:
https://groups.google.com/g/bareos-users/c/g53BNdTat2s
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 13:12, Spadajspadaj wrote:
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups
;-) After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come
from nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental
nor differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always
do full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full
backup twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once
per month. This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted,
the job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for
cartgidge 2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first
if the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before
the backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the
wring tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the
despooling process starts or must I split it each backup in two
jobs: copy to hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Of course. It's all a matter of personal preference and personal needs.
There is one caveat though about full jobs and backup speed. It's all ok
if you're backing up just files and have no problem reading them with
the filedaemon. If you have some uncommon scenarios (like backing up
shares via CIFS from devices you can't install FD on or using plugins to
generate data for FD - in my case it might be a script reading package
list or a database dump), you might face SD starvation leading to
shoeshine. I suppose you could even hit uderruns with big flat
directories (but I'm not sure here - maybe the files would just be read
sequentially and not suffer that much from long directory listing).
It's always good to do an analysis of what you need and what you have :-)
On 07/01/2021 13:30, DUCARROZ Birgit wrote:
Yup this is a personal decision, that's right and every sysadmin
should check their own needs and possibilities.
We have 6TB (15TB compression) LTO-7 cartridges and about 20 TB of data.
I decided to do it this way because I read in the originally bacula
book (from Philippe Storz) how backup is handling the tapes and
because even Philippe Storz himself advised me that this is a good way
to backup on single tapes.
See the following treat:
https://groups.google.com/g/bareos-users/c/g53BNdTat2s
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 13:12, Spadajspadaj wrote:
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups
;-) After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come
from nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental
nor differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always
do full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full
backup twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once
per month. This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted,
the job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for
cartgidge 2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first
if the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before
the backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the
wring tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the
despooling process starts or must I split it each backup in two
jobs: copy to hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Okay, interesting discussion.
My full backup has at the moment 1,8 TB, Spooling time from the FD to
the SD is around 15 hours, because there is a mail archive with a lot of
small files.
Despooling is done in 3h 51min. This was with a block size of 63 k, I
have now increase it to 1M
The backup to tape is for the worst case scenario, if all my server are
encrypted by a hacker. Additional are RAID-5 hardware systems and rsync
scripts with daily differentials and done to a server outside the
building on the next house and a 2nd server in a data center. So I
would have all time I think.
If I do decide to daily full backup, a LTO-7 tape would have 6 TB / 1,8
TB = 3 full backups = 3 Days.
Based on 20 working days per month, around 7 tapes I would have on
rotation. That's worth to sleep one night about this.
all the best, Frank
Am 07.01.2021 um 13:30 schrieb DUCARROZ Birgit:
Yup this is a personal decision, that's right and every sysadmin
should check their own needs and possibilities.
We have 6TB (15TB compression) LTO-7 cartridges and about 20 TB of data.
I decided to do it this way because I read in the originally bacula
book (from Philippe Storz) how backup is handling the tapes and
because even Philippe Storz himself advised me that this is a good way
to backup on single tapes.
See the following treat:
https://groups.google.com/g/bareos-users/c/g53BNdTat2s
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 13:12, Spadajspadaj wrote:
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups
;-) After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come
from nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental
nor differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always
do full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full
backup twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once
per month. This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted,
the job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for
cartgidge 2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first
if the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before
the backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the
wring tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the
despooling process starts or must I split it each backup in two
jobs: copy to hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Yup this is a personal decision, that's right and every sysadmin should
check their own needs and possibilities.
We have 6TB (15TB compression) LTO-7 cartridges and about 20 TB of data.
I decided to do it this way because I read in the originally bacula book
(from Philippe Storz) how backup is handling the tapes and because even
Philippe Storz himself advised me that this is a good way to backup on
single tapes.
See the following treat:
https://groups.google.com/g/bareos-users/c/g53BNdTat2s
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 13:12, Spadajspadaj wrote:
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups ;-)
After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come from
nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental nor
differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always do
full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full backup
twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once per month.
This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted, the
job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for cartgidge
2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first if
the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before the
backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the wring
tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the despooling
process starts or must I split it each backup in two jobs: copy to
hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Well, not everyone has long enough tapes to always do full backups ;-)
After all the whole concept of Inc and Diff backups didn't come from
nothing.
On 07/01/2021 13:10, 'DUCARROZ Birgit' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental nor
differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always do
full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to
change the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full backup
twice in a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once per month.
This is for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted, the
job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for cartgidge
2 and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a
handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first if
the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before the
backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the wring
tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the despooling
process starts or must I split it each backup in two jobs: copy to
hdd and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
Hi,
Another possibility is not to spool and not to backup incremental nor
differential jobs.
For restoring speed and for your tape health it is better to always do
full backups, especially if you have no autochanger.
I deleted all jobs which do no full backup.
I did the configuration in a way, that once a month it asks me to change
the tape and this for each job. In this way I do a full backup twice in
a year of each job by manipulating tapes only once per month. This is
for me an easy way to handle the tapes.
The job tells me to insert cartridge 1 and as soon it is inserted, the
job continues automatically. One month later it asks me for cartgidge 2
and so on.
Let me know if you are interested to know how to configure such a handling.
Regards,
Birgit
On 07/01/21 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first if
the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before the
backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the wring
tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the despooling
process starts or must I split it each backup in two jobs: copy to hdd
and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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Re: [bareos-users] Schedule question
I believe you'd have to have two different jobs. You'd have to create a
disk-based storage and firstly doing a backup job there, then have a
migrate job to a tape pool.
I'm thinking of similar setup myself since I have sometimes problems
with getting to the server to change tapes so I would like to have
disk-based jobs and copy them whenever I get the chance but I have to
dig a bit more into all those retention periods because there are few
things still not obvious for me.
On 07/01/2021 11:03, 'Frank Cherry' via bareos-users wrote:
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on
Saturday morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first if
the right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before the
backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the wring
tape is insert and after changing to the right tape, the despooling
process starts or must I split it each backup in two jobs: copy to hdd
and then to tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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[bareos-users] Schedule question
Hi there,
this is my schedule set:
Schedule {
Name = "CR-WeeklyCycle"
Run = Level=Full 1st sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Differential 2nd-5th sun at 7:00
Run = Level=Incremental mon-sat at 7:00
}
The backup is stored on a LTO tape, changed manually - no autoloader.
Looking on the schedule, a tape of the increment pool is insert on Saturday
morining.
When now a differential or full backup is started, it checks first if the
right tape is insert.
So I have do by manpower, that the right tape is available before the
backup starts.
All backup jobs like inc, diff and full have spooling active.
Is there a way, that the nackups starts, and spools also if the wring tape
is insert and after changing to the right tape, the despooling process
starts or must I split it each backup in two jobs: copy to hdd and then to
tape?
Thanks for any useful hints, Frank
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