[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 3
Stephen I have sent you a more detailed message on this topic with photographs of lutes that I can't include in my messages to all, as they would just be filtered out. Nevertheless, as I have just checked and seen that you are using a 13c lute (if it is is not a swanneck), perhaps you could just remove the two lowest bass courses, when playing 11c music (I think that should be easier, from what I have been told); and then eventually you could put them back for 13c music, when you really need it. Regards Anthony Le 24 févr. 08 à 11:09, Anthony Hind a écrit : Le 23 fevr. 08 =E0 22:17, Stephen Arndt a ecrit : Anthony wrote: Lutists keep telling me the contrary. They say that the left hand is so much easier on Baroque lute. I know. That seems to be the majority opinion. They also cite the reason that Baroque music uses more open strings. I still have trouble finding the right bass string, not of course when the bass line moves chromatically but, for example, when I have to jump from, say, the fourth course to the eighth or the fifth to the tenth. I suppose that, all in all, the left hand is easier, but for me the right hand is more difficult, and somehow Baroque lute seems much more difficult on the whole than Renaissance. Sorry Stephen, you have probably already answered this, but are you playing a 13c lute, or an 11c lute. A number of people who have moved from Renaissance lute into the Baroque repertoire, and who have both lute types, have told me that moving to a 13c lute, is far more difficult than going the 11c way. Ed wrote: Is this available on the web? I have two sets from the Barbe set by Kemer Thomson: E.Gaultier and Gallot le Vieux, but what you have sounds much bigger. Yes, it is much larger--the complete manuscript. As far as I know, it is not available on the web. Please contact me off-list. I suppose this does not interest you, or is not complete, and you will know it, but some one else may be interested, so I will mention it anyway: MANUSCRIT BARBE. -- Pi=E8ces de luth de differents auteurs en tablature fran=E7aise. ca. 1690. Fac-simile (en 2 couleurs) du ms. de la Biblioth=E8que nationale, Paris, Res. Vmb. ms 7. Introduction de Claude Chauvel. Gen=E8ve, 1985. 1 volume in-4 oblong de 220 pages, broche. (Manuscrits, Tome 8) ISBN 2-8266-0725-1 FS 180.- / Euro 129.- Pi=E8ces groupees par tonalites et ecrites avec de precieux details d'interpretations. Parmi les auteurs: Boquet, Dubut, Dufaut, les Gallot, les Gautier, Mezangeau, Mouton, Pinel, Vincent. Le premier possesseur du manuscrit fut J.-B. Barbe, conseiller =E0 la cour des Aides =E0 Paris sous Louis XIV; le dernier: le musicologue Henri Pruni=E8res. The pieces are arranged by key and written with precious details on performance. The composers include Boquet, Dubut, Dufaut, the Gallots, the Gautiers, Mezangeau, P. Mouton, Pinel and Vincent. The first owner of the manuscript was J. -B. Barbe, conseiller =E0 la cour des Aides at Paris under Louis XIV; the last owner was the musicologist Henri Pruni=E8res. http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/m.htm Rob wrote: You mentioned books - do you have the baroque lute tutor by Satoh and the one by Miguel Serdoura, 'Collection Le Secret Des Muses'? The latter has lots of exercises and easy pieces. I have the French version which was published by the French Lute Society, but I believe it has been withdrawn and will be published by another publisher both in French and a seperate English language volume. Anthony should be able to update us on that. It is 346 pages long and includes good biographies of the main and lesser-known composers. There are also two other booklets for sale at the French SFL site which Timo Peedu thought were very useful, at (http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses), http://tinyurl.com/yqa7p2 Volume 34 : 80 Pi=E8ces faciles pour luth baroque by Jean-Luc Bresson, Oeuvres de Dufaut, Dubut, Gautier, Logy, Pinel, Mouton, Reusner, Anonymes. Paris 2007. 50 p. Prix : 15 Euro / 20 Euro + (FR / 2,5 Euro ) (EU / 3 Euro ) Volume 4 : Musique fran=E7aise pour luth au 17e si=E8cle, choix de 20 pi=E8ces pour luth baroque =E0 11 ch=9Curs par Jo=EBl Dugot : Gallot, Dufaut, Mouton. Paris 1987. 48 p. Prix : 11 Euro / 15 Euro + (FR / 2,5 Euro ) (EU / 3 Euro ) I have used the one by Satoh but have not seen the one by Serdoura. It sounds really good. Do you know whether the same text is just being reissued or whether it has been revised? If the former, I shall try to locate a used copy. I speak fluent French, so the language is not a problem. It only came out for a few months before all the copies were sold. Then Miguel decided to change editors. I know that some parts are being slightly altered, but not, I think, substantially; and probably not the music choices. The main difference would be the presentation. The original is is sort of loose-leaved, like a typical
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 3
Oups, I made a slip again, sorry Baroque people. AH Debut du message reexpedie : De : Anthony Hind [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date : 24 fevrier 2008 11:09:01 HNEC =C0 : Stephen Arndt [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Objet : [LUTE] Re: Rank Amateur Recording # 3 Le 23 fevr. 08 =E0 22:17, Stephen Arndt a ecrit : Anthony wrote: Lutists keep telling me the contrary. They say that the left hand is so much easier on Baroque lute. I know. That seems to be the majority opinion. They also cite the reason that Baroque music uses more open strings. I still have trouble finding the right bass string, not of course when the bass line moves chromatically but, for example, when I have to jump from, say, the fourth course to the eighth or the fifth to the tenth. I suppose that, all in all, the left hand is easier, but for me the right hand is more difficult, and somehow Baroque lute seems much more difficult on the whole than Renaissance. Sorry Stephen, you have probably already answered this, but are you playing a 13c lute, or an 11c lute. A number of people who have moved from Renaissance lute into the Baroque repertoire, and who have both lute types, have told me that moving to a 13c lute, is far more difficult than going the 11c way. Ed wrote: Is this available on the web? I have two sets from the Barbe set by Kemer Thomson: E.Gaultier and Gallot le Vieux, but what you have sounds much bigger. Yes, it is much larger--the complete manuscript. As far as I know, it is not available on the web. Please contact me off-list. I suppose this does not interest you, or is not complete, and you will know it, but some one else may be interested, so I will mention it anyway: MANUSCRIT BARBE. -- Pi=E8ces de luth de differents auteurs en tablature fran=E7aise. ca. 1690. Fac-simile (en 2 couleurs) du ms. de la Biblioth=E8que nationale, Paris, Res. Vmb. ms 7. Introduction de Claude Chauvel. Gen=E8ve, 1985. 1 volume in-4 oblong de 220 pages, broche. (Manuscrits, Tome 8) ISBN 2-8266-0725-1 FS 180.- / Euro 129.- Pi=E8ces groupees par tonalites et ecrites avec de precieux details d'interpretations. Parmi les auteurs: Boquet, Dubut, Dufaut, les Gallot, les Gautier, Mezangeau, Mouton, Pinel, Vincent. Le premier possesseur du manuscrit fut J.-B. Barbe, conseiller =E0 la cour des Aides =E0 Paris sous Louis XIV; le dernier: le musicologue Henri Pruni=E8res. The pieces are arranged by key and written with precious details on performance. The composers include Boquet, Dubut, Dufaut, the Gallots, the Gautiers, Mezangeau, P. Mouton, Pinel and Vincent. The first owner of the manuscript was J. -B. Barbe, conseiller =E0 la cour des Aides at Paris under Louis XIV; the last owner was the musicologist Henri Pruni=E8res. http://www.minkoff-editions.com/musique_musicologie/pages/m.htm Rob wrote: You mentioned books - do you have the baroque lute tutor by Satoh and the one by Miguel Serdoura, 'Collection Le Secret Des Muses'? The latter has lots of exercises and easy pieces. I have the French version which was published by the French Lute Society, but I believe it has been withdrawn and will be published by another publisher both in French and a seperate English language volume. Anthony should be able to update us on that. It is 346 pages long and includes good biographies of the main and lesser-known composers. There are also two other booklets for sale at the French SFL site which Timo Peedu thought were very useful, at (http://www.sf-luth.org/index.php?Partitions/Le_Secret_des_Muses), http://tinyurl.com/yqa7p2 Volume 34 : 80 Pi=E8ces faciles pour luth baroque by Jean-Luc Bresson, Oeuvres de Dufaut, Dubut, Gautier, Logy, Pinel, Mouton, Reusner, Anonymes. Paris 2007. 50 p. Prix : 15 Euro / 20 Euro + (FR / 2,5 Euro ) (EU / 3 Euro ) Volume 4 : Musique fran=E7aise pour luth au 17e si=E8cle, choix de 20 pi=E8ces pour luth baroque =E0 11 ch=9Curs par Jo=EBl Dugot : Gallot, Dufaut, Mouton. Paris 1987. 48 p. Prix : 11 Euro / 15 Euro + (FR / 2,5 Euro ) (EU / 3 Euro ) I have used the one by Satoh but have not seen the one by Serdoura. It sounds really good. Do you know whether the same text is just being reissued or whether it has been revised? If the former, I shall try to locate a used copy. I speak fluent French, so the language is not a problem. It only came out for a few months before all the copies were sold. Then Miguel decided to change editors. I know that some parts are being slightly altered, but not, I think, substantially; and probably not the music choices. The main difference would be the presentation. The original is is sort of loose-leaved, like a typical doctoral thesis. The new one will be exacly like the Damiani, I think. It will therefore be more sturdy, but Timo Peedu told me he prefers the original type, so I suppose it depends on what your expectations are. You could try sending a message to the French list, but I doubt
