[BAROQUE-LUTE] Dutch theorbo painting online
Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45 ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÃSSELDORF A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA It can be seen at: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US Good luck bidding! trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but what's far more interesting: she's holding the instrument left-handedly, right hand crossing all the diapassons, and is rather in the way of the gentleman's bow. But the doggy knows what it's all about: a pretty girl with a lute! Great painting, thanks for diverting my attention from tax paper (nearly finished!) to something else. David there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45 ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÜSSELDORF A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA It can be seen at: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US Good luck bidding! trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- *** David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com www.davidvanooijen.nl ***
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
If you zoom in, it seems that the lute has one or more carefully painted broken strings. She's not just holding the lute the wrong way round, but the lute itself is unplayable! Martin On 8/5/09 13:55, David van Ooijen davidvanooi...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 2:20 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: Sotheby's New York will be auctioning a Dutch painting of a theorbo gamba (the woman doesn't appear to know how to hold a theorbo I'd call that a Dutch-head lute or possibly English theorbo, but what's far more interesting: she's holding the instrument left-handedly, right hand crossing all the diapassons, and is rather in the way of the gentleman's bow. But the doggy knows what it's all about: a pretty girl with a lute! Great painting, thanks for diverting my attention from tax paper (nearly finished!) to something else. David there are interesting f-holes on the gamba) LOT 45 ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER ADRIAEN VAN DER WERFF, KRALINGEN-AMBACHT 1659 - 1722 ROTTERDAM; EGLON HENDRICK VAN DER NEER, AMSTERDAM CIRCA 1634 - 1703 DÜSSELDORF A LADY PLAYING THE LUTE AND A GENTLEMAN WITH A VIOLA DA GAMBA It can be seen at: http://www.sothebys.com/app/live/lot/LotDetail.jsp?lot_id=159539118 Estimated price 100,000 - 150,000 dollars US Good luck bidding! trj -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Minuet and Trio
Dear Wisdom, In the mid-Baroque (specifically Lauffensteiner), when you're playing a minuet and trio, is it historically accurate to play them at slightly different tempi, or is that strictly a Classsical-period thing? I'm curious because I don't remember seeing very many minuet / trio sections from the early 17th century. David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minuet and Trio
Menuet - trio - menuet seems to be a galant-style thing. I for one would certainly play them at different tempo so as to emphasize their different moods. Mathias David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net schrieb: Dear Wisdom, In the mid-Baroque (specifically Lauffensteiner), when you're playing a minuet and trio, is it historically accurate to play them at slightly different tempi, or is that strictly a Classsical-period thing? I'm curious because I don't remember seeing very many minuet / trio sections from the early 17th century. David Rastall dlu...@verizon.net To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minuet and Trio
On May 8, 2009, at 9:24 AM, David Rastall wrote: In the mid-Baroque (specifically Lauffensteiner), when you're playing a minuet and trio, is it historically accurate to play them at slightly different tempi, or is that strictly a Classsical-period thing? Someone who actually danced the minuet, or played the minuet as dance music, would likely not have changed the tempo, because it messes up the dancing. Not that anyone would be dancing to Lauffensteiner, but they would think of dance movements as dance music. -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minuet and Trio
On May 8, 2009, at 1:24 PM, Mathias Rösel wrote: Menuet - trio - menuet seems to be a galant-style thing. Definitely 18th-century, though. Actually, I was mistaken when I said early 17th century. I meant to say late 17th century. I'm working on a suite in F Major by Lauffensteiner, and was surprised to see the minuet / trio. I for one would certainly play them at different tempo so as to emphasize their different moods. Thanks for the advice. DR dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Minuet and Trio
On May 8, 2009, at 1:42 PM, howard posner wrote: On May 8, 2009, at 9:24 AM, David Rastall wrote: In the mid-Baroque (specifically Lauffensteiner), when you're playing a minuet and trio, is it historically accurate to play them at slightly different tempi, or is that strictly a Classsical-period thing? Someone who actually danced the minuet, or played the minuet as dance music, would likely not have changed the tempo, because it messes up the dancing. Isn't it possible that the dancers might have paused in the dance at the end of the minuet, and started the trio at a different tempo as set by the musicians? That's a frequent occurence in dance music, isn't it? (non-rhetorical questions). The minuet and trio I'm looking at here have quite different feels to them. The minuet is in F and the trio is in Dm. Not that anyone would be dancing to Lauffensteiner, but they would think of dance movements as dance music. I agree, they would. Me too. Perhaps I need to articulate the minuet better, so I don't get bored with it and want to change something at the first chance I get! David R dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
On May 8, 2009, at 4:06 PM, theoj89...@aol.com wrote: I didn't even notice the broken strings... Such paintings were so often packed with subtle symbolism - Does anyone have an idea why the painter would go to the trouble of painting a lute with broken strings - what meaning would that convey? And upside down, at that. David R also intrigued dlu...@verizon.net -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
I didn't even notice the broken strings... Such paintings were so often packed with subtle symbolism - Does anyone have an idea why the painter would go to the trouble of painting a lute with broken strings - what meaning would that convey? And upside down, at that. And now we all HIP oriented lutenists have to turn our extended lutes the other way round: the painting gives certainly clear rules on how to hold your hand - and especially your thumb - on your instrument. Also the left hand streching over the basses is something that will keep us busy in training... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Dutch theorbo painting online
Sorry: Also the left hand streching over the basses is something that will keep us busy in training... Of course this was about the RIGHT hand streching over the basses... Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
