[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?
See http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.html Scroll down until Musikquellen (musical sources), 1. Prints, 2. Manuscripts. There are two editions that I'm aware of, with music from these sources in staff notation for the guitar: 1. Adalbert Quadt (ed.): Gitarrenmusik des 16-18. Jahrhunderts 2, nach Tabulaturen für Colascione, Mandora und Angelica. Leipzig 1971 2. Hans Radtke (ed.): Ausgewählte Stücke aus einer Angelica- und Gitarrentabulatur, Musik Alter Meister Heft 17, Graz 1967 Both are available still. Quadt's compilation contains much more music than Radtke's, and not only from Schwerin 640 but also from other manuscripts. Nice and not too demanding music IMO. As for the number of strings, there were two models, one with 16 and another with 17 strings, respectively: E4 D4 C4 B3 A3 G3 F3 E3 D3 C3 B2 A2 G2 F2 E2 (D2) C2 At any rate, the deepest string should be C2. Best, Mathias > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von wikla > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. November 2011 23:36 > An: Rockford Mjos > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music? > > Thanks Rock M.! > > I try to find your Kremberg example in Vihuela Ning. I don't know if I > can get in there. > What I had in mind is the Tree edition: > - > MANUSCRIPT SCHWERIN 640 > Music for Angélique, transposed for Baroque Lute by Michael Treder The > manuscript contains 144 pieces in different keys. As composers are > identified Jean-Baptiste, Jean-Louis and Louis Lully, de Launay, D. > Gaultier, Losy, Steffani, Dubut, Hardel, Dufaut, Gallot, Vieux Gaultier. > - > > I plan to order that. Seems to be very interesting. But the original ms. > seems to be a really rich source to that very unknown instrument! Many > of the great baroque lute guys' pieces to that "harp in the shape of theorbo"! > I would love to see, how this music works that way! And also: are 14 > strings enough to many of those pieces... > > Arto > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:09:45 -0500, Rockford Mjos wrote: > > You did ask for _any_ music... > > > > There is one example of Angelique music in my Kremberg edition on my > > Early Guitar and Vihuela Ning page. Page 29 of the PDF. > > > > Krembergs tuning chart shows 16 (if I've counted correctly), but the > > music for the sample piece uses (only) 13. > > > > Have fun with your exploration! > > > > -- R > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, wikla wrote: > > > >> Dear lutenists, > >> > >> do you know if any music for angelique have been published, or even > >> better on-line in the net? The Tree Edition seems to have published > >> a transcription of one important ms. to baroque lute, but is the > >> source available somewhere? > >> > >> I am just thinking of stringing my "lesser French theorbo" to > >> angelique. > >> But are 14 strings enough to angelique repertoire? I think > >> angeliques had at least a couple of more strings, but how important > >> are those to the repertoire? I would like to have a look... ;-) > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> Arto > >> > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?
See http://www.accordsnouveaux.ch/de/Instrumente/Angelique/Angelique.html Scroll down until Musikquellen (musical sources), 1. Prints, 2. Manuscripts. There are two editions that I'm aware of, with music from these sources in staff notation for the guitar: 1. Adalbert Quadt (ed.): Gitarrenmusik des 16-18. Jahrhunderts 2, nach Tabulaturen für Colascione, Mandora und Angelica. Leipzig 1971 2. Hans Radtke (ed.): Ausgewählte Stücke aus einer Angelica- und Gitarrentabulatur, Musik Alter Meister Heft 17, Graz 1967 Both are available still. Quadt's compilation contains much more music than Radtke's, and not only from Schwerin 640 but also from other manuscripts. Nice and not too demanding music IMO. As for the number of strings, there were two models, one with 16 and another with 17 strings, respectively: E4 D4 C4 B3 A3 G3 F3 E3 D3 C3 B2 A2 G2 F2 E2 (D2) C2 At any rate, the deepest string should be C2. Best, Mathias > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im > Auftrag von wikla > Gesendet: Freitag, 4. November 2011 23:36 > An: Rockford Mjos > Cc: baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu; l...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music? > > Thanks Rock M.! > > I try to find your Kremberg example in Vihuela Ning. I don't know if I can > get in > there. > What I had in mind is the Tree edition: > - > MANUSCRIPT SCHWERIN 640 > Music for Angélique, transposed for Baroque Lute by Michael Treder The > manuscript contains 144 pieces in different keys. As composers are identified > Jean-Baptiste, Jean-Louis and Louis Lully, de Launay, D. Gaultier, Losy, > Steffani, > Dubut, Hardel, Dufaut, Gallot, Vieux Gaultier. > - > > I plan to order that. Seems to be very interesting. But the original ms. > seems to be a really rich source to that very unknown instrument! Many of the > great baroque lute guys' pieces to that "harp in the shape of theorbo"! > I would love to see, how this music works that way! And also: are 14 strings > enough to many of those pieces... > > Arto > > On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:09:45 -0500, Rockford Mjos wrote: > > You did ask for _any_ music... > > > > There is one example of Angelique music in my Kremberg edition on my > > Early Guitar and Vihuela Ning page. Page 29 of the PDF. > > > > Krembergs tuning chart shows 16 (if I've counted correctly), but the > > music for the sample piece uses (only) 13. > > > > Have fun with your exploration! > > > > -- R > > > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, wikla wrote: > > > >> Dear lutenists, > >> > >> do you know if any music for angelique have been published, or even > >> better on-line in the net? The Tree Edition seems to have published a > >> transcription of one important ms. to baroque lute, but is the source > >> available somewhere? > >> > >> I am just thinking of stringing my "lesser French theorbo" to > >> angelique. > >> But are 14 strings enough to angelique repertoire? I think angeliques > >> had at least a couple of more strings, but how important are those to > >> the repertoire? I would like to have a look... ;-) > >> > >> Thanks in advance, > >> > >> Arto > >> > >> > >> > >> To get on or off this list see list information at > >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Angelique music?
Thanks Rock M.! I try to find your Kremberg example in Vihuela Ning. I don't know if I can get in there. What I had in mind is the Tree edition: - MANUSCRIPT SCHWERIN 640 Music for Angélique, transposed for Baroque Lute by Michael Treder The manuscript contains 144 pieces in different keys. As composers are identified Jean-Baptiste, Jean-Louis and Louis Lully, de Launay, D. Gaultier, Losy, Steffani, Dubut, Hardel, Dufaut, Gallot, Vieux Gaultier. - I plan to order that. Seems to be very interesting. But the original ms. seems to be a really rich source to that very unknown instrument! Many of the great baroque lute guys' pieces to that "harp in the shape of theorbo"! I would love to see, how this music works that way! And also: are 14 strings enough to many of those pieces... Arto On Fri, 4 Nov 2011 17:09:45 -0500, Rockford Mjos wrote: > You did ask for _any_ music... > > There is one example of Angelique music in my Kremberg edition on my > Early Guitar and Vihuela Ning page. Page 29 of the PDF. > > Krembergs tuning chart shows 16 (if I've counted correctly), but the > music for the sample piece uses (only) 13. > > Have fun with your exploration! > > -- R > > On Nov 4, 2011, at 3:52 PM, wikla wrote: > >> Dear lutenists, >> >> do you know if any music for angelique have been published, or even >> better >> on-line in the net? The Tree Edition seems to have published a >> transcription of one important ms. to baroque lute, but is the source >> available somewhere? >> >> I am just thinking of stringing my "lesser French theorbo" to >> angelique. >> But are 14 strings enough to angelique repertoire? I think >> angeliques had >> at least a couple of more strings, but how important are those to the >> repertoire? I would like to have a look... ;-) >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Arto >> >> >> >> To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Angelique music?
Dear lutenists, do you know if any music for angelique have been published, or even better on-line in the net? The Tree Edition seems to have published a transcription of one important ms. to baroque lute, but is the source available somewhere? I am just thinking of stringing my "lesser French theorbo" to angelique. But are 14 strings enough to angelique repertoire? I think angeliques had at least a couple of more strings, but how important are those to the repertoire? I would like to have a look... ;-) Thanks in advance, Arto To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Balcarres
Rob This is a great project. Many thanks - you're a prince of a fellow DD > From: Rob MacKillop > Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 16:29:56 + > To: Baroque lutenet > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Balcarres > >One week on and there are twenty pieces from the Balcarres manuscript >to listen to: [1]http://scottishlute.com/balcarres/ > >I'm pleased to announce that Glasgow University has agreed to house the >wav files for posterity, and for use by students and staff. This is >exactly what I wanted, a sound archive for both research and >entertainment. > >I'm impressed with the variety within these first twenty pieces. Check >out the 'Celia' 'suite'. I can't make much of the last one, number 20. >Sounds like a musical 'cut and paste' experiment. To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Balcarres
One week on and there are twenty pieces from the Balcarres manuscript to listen to: [1]http://scottishlute.com/balcarres/ I'm pleased to announce that Glasgow University has agreed to house the wav files for posterity, and for use by students and staff. This is exactly what I wanted, a sound archive for both research and entertainment. I'm impressed with the variety within these first twenty pieces. Check out the 'Celia' 'suite'. I can't make much of the last one, number 20. Sounds like a musical 'cut and paste' experiment. Rob MacKillop -- References 1. http://scottishlute.com/balcarres/ To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
