[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Arpeggio question
Bernd, This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting, however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic approach was intended. For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow your own muse and see where it takes you. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question To: Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List l...@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM Dear all, sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly as it seems and with the mark arpeggio or arp. Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in the chord) 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 or 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage. But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4 or so? What would you do? Thank you for your hints! best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Arpeggio question
Hello, The papers of Charlie (Karl-Ernst Schröder) are: http://www.rimab.ch/content/bibliographie/SCB-Bib-2002-01-454 and: Generalbass-Aussetzungen für Laute zu Arien aus Johann Adolf Hasses Oper Cleofilde, in Basler Jahrbuch für historische Musikpraxis XIX 1995, S. 159-187 All the best, Andreas Am 17.05.2012 um 13:45 schrieb Christopher Wilke: Bernd, This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting, however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic approach was intended. For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow your own muse and see where it takes you. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question To: Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List l...@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM Dear all, sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly as it seems and with the mark arpeggio or arp. Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in the chord) 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 or 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage. But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4 or so? What would you do? Thank you for your hints! best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Arpeggio question
Dear Bernd, Christopher, Martin, Andreas, if I properly remember Karl-Ernst Schroeder wrote the article about the Sonata A-dur S-C (SW) 47 by S. L. Weiss and the intriguing fantasie from the so-called Krzeszow lute tablatures collection: PL-WRu 60019 Muz. (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2002). This piece is also in two others manuscripts from this collection: PL-Wu RM 4140 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2008) and PL-Wu RM 4141 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2009). For the other parts of this piece you have to see to the famous D-Dl2841-V-1 manuscript and to the SBB Berlin Mus. ms. Bach P 226 - part for cembalo. This piece was lately very interesting also for Jurek Zak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U85kB6rWPNQ Best wishes from Vienna Lute Festival! Grzegorz Dnia 17-05-2012 o godz. 13:45 Christopher Wilke napisał(a): Bernd, This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting, however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic approach was intended. For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow your own muse and see where it takes you. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de wrote: From: Bernd Haegemann b...@symbol4.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question To: Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu List l...@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque Lutelist baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM Dear all, sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly as it seems and with the mark arpeggio or arp. Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in the chord) 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 or 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage. But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4 or so? What would you do? Thank you for your hints! best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Grzegorz Joachimiak Department of Musicology University of Wrocław http://www.muzykologia.uni.wroc.pl
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Odp: Re: Odp: Re: Arpeggio question
Thank you Bernd. The Festival is starting on 19.30 so I hope it will be successfully on concerts, lectures, meetings as well as a good fun. Grzegorz Dnia 17-05-2012 o godz. 16:47 Bernd Haegemann napisał(a): Oh! Best regards to the Vienna lute festival and everybody attending there! I hope you have a good time! Holdrikafeitzel , Grüß Gott and Jodeldididudeldö! Am 17.05.2012 16:42, schrieb Grzegorz Joachimiak: Dear Bernd, Christopher, Martin, Andreas, if I properly remember Karl-Ernst Schroeder wrote the article about the Sonata A-dur S-C (SW) 47 by S. L. Weiss and the intriguing fantasie from the so-called Krzeszow lute tablatures collection: PL-WRu 60019 Muz. (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2002). This piece is also in two others manuscripts from this collection: PL-Wu RM 4140 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2008) and PL-Wu RM 4141 (olim in Wroclaw as Mf. 2009). For the other parts of this piece you have to see to the famous D-Dl2841-V-1 manuscript and to the SBB Berlin Mus. ms. Bach P 226 - part for cembalo. This piece was lately very interesting also for Jurek Zak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U85kB6rWPNQ Best wishes from Vienna Lute Festival! Grzegorz Dnia 17-05-2012 o godz. 13:45 Christopher Wilke napisał(a): Bernd, This is a tricky thing. Usually, I try to find a pattern written out in some other lute solo. Karl-Ernst Schroeder did a very good survey of the ones found in Weiss sonatas. (I don't remember the source off the top of my head.) I find a strict pattern to be uninteresting, however, and so I occasionally vary the base pattern for effect when the progression is interesting or when there's an especially dissonant chord. I usually keep a consistent number of notes in each chord. Who knows if this is really correct? Many times the arpeggio sections are unmeasured and the very fact that a pattern was not specified on the page may imply that a more rhapsodic and personally idiosyncratic approach was intended. For progressions in which the number of notes varies, you could always make a patchwork of patterns utilizing each grouping from various existing solos, such as Schroeder compiled. Or you could follow your own muse and see where it takes you. Chris Dr. Christopher Wilke D.M.A. Lutenist, Guitarist and Composer www.christopherwilke.com --- On Thu, 5/17/12, Bernd Haegemannb...@symbol4.de wrote: From: Bernd Haegemannb...@symbol4.de Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Arpeggio question To: Cc: lute-cs.dartmouth.edu Listl...@cs.dartmouth.edu, baroque Lutelistbaroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu Date: Thursday, May 17, 2012, 5:17 AM Dear all, sometimes we find in baroque lute music chains of chords, notated evenly as it seems and with the mark arpeggio or arp. Now, if the chain looked like this (with n being the number of notes in the chord) 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 or 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 one would think of some arpeggio scheme to use it in such a passage. But what the number of notes in the chords looks like this 5 5 5 5 5 5 3 3 3 2 3 3 4 6 6 5 4 4 4 or so? What would you do? Thank you for your hints! best regards Bernd To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Grzegorz Joachimiak Department of Musicology University of Wrocław http://www.muzykologia.uni.wroc.pl -- Grzegorz Joachimiak Department of Musicology University of Wrocław http://www.muzykologia.uni.wroc.pl
