Hi Arto and rest of lute-gang, I would like to finish my work as quick as possible. But before I have to go to few libraries to do a search query, among other things to Vienna, Prague, Paris and Stockholm. To Vienna I will go on March, rest of things, we will see. Maybe somebody lives in Vienna from this list?
In published issue I will consider when I finished, but I think it should be no problem with availability in the Net. Have a nice day Grzegorz Dnia 10-01-2011 o godz. 12:14 wi...@cs.helsinki.fi napisał(a): > Grzegorz, > > thanks for your very interesting information! > > When are you going to finish your study about Silesian lute music? > Sounds interesting. Will it be available in the Net? > > All the best, > > Arto > > > On 09/01/11 21:09, Grzegorz Joachimiak wrote: > > Hi lute-gang, > > > > Arthur gave the most important information about ms. L 83. But if we go > > a bit deeper, we could get something more of course. I would like to add > > something to Arto’s question. > > Kremsmünster baroque lute collection could be more interesting when we > > compare them with other similar collection like e.g. Silesian lute > > tablature collection. I will try to do it in my study. > > But Arto asked about date of ms. L 83. In“RISM B VII" by W. > > Boetticher we could find information that this tablature comes from end > > of 17th c. to 1705. (p. 159). Ernst Pohlmann in“Laute, Theorbe, > > Chitarrone..." wrote ca. 1700 (p. 145). Monique Rollin wrote in > > catalogue by Meyer (ed.) that Ms. L 83 could comes from ca. 1680-1705. > > But Rudolf Flotzinger in“Die Lautentabulaturen des Stiftes > > Kremnmünster (thematic catalog)" dated ca. 1697. So we could see that is > > not clear. Maybe study on the watermark would be more precisly. I will > > try checked. Flotzinger wrote also that content from this volume is > > connected with war between France and 2nd coalition (Austria, Spain, > > England, Netherland, Sabaudia). > > [The Frenchmen won on shore (the Fleurus 1690, Neerwinden and Marsagli > > 1696) and even forced count of Sabaudia to do of separate transaction > > Peace of Turin (1696). However an Englishman, admiral Russel ruined > > French fleet on the See, near the Cape La Hougue (1692). So he destroyed > > French imagine of invasion to England. Louis XIV had to meet half way > > because he had no more military and finance power. The Peace of Rijswijk > > (1697) brought kept Strasbourg, but gave back a Lotharingia]. > > > > Second issue is about monk-lutenists. > > We know now that not all of volumes so-called Grussau lute tablatures > > did create by Cistercian monk Kniebandl himself [Franz Karl-names given > > on the baptized. But in this sources we could find sometimes monograms > > as H.K. which I think it could be Hermann Kniebandl]. But two > > manuscripts were surely dedicated to him: PL-WRu 60019 Muz. (olim Mf. > > 2002, Lautenbuch 2) and PL-Wn 396 Cim. (K. 44 from Schaffgotsch’s > > Library in Cieplice-Bad Warmbrun, near Jelenia Góra-Hirschebrg). Surely > > we have at least one more monk which could made something in this > > collection. It is somebody with monogram W.B. but I don’t know yet > > who it is. Maybe somebody knows who could it be? > > Probably this problem is connected with modesty and humility of monks to > > recognize oneself in the lute books (cf. Flotzinger, op. cit., p. 36). > > So they ciphered the name as good as monk Fischer who used name Pecheur > > or“Sünder"=Sinner. This guy is connected with our ms. L 83. > > > > About second, Benedictine monk-lutenist, father Johann Kaspar Ferdinand > > Fischer, we know a few biographical information from work by Altmann > > Kellner (also Benedictine),“Musikgeschichte des Stiftes > > Kremsmünster nach den Quellen dargestellt" (Kassel and Basle, 1956). He > > wrote that Fischer was born 1652 in Kuchl, near Salzburg and died in > > 1725 (probably also in Salzburg). In 1677 he started study of theology. > > In 1681 he came back to Salzburg where received a holy order as priest. > > Next to, he was a Professor in Gymnasium which than took his leadership. > > In 1693 he did take over many books from several churches and through 32 > > years stayed there to rest of life. > > > > The third, Benedictine monk-lutenist could be Iwan Jelinek (1683-1759). > > His pieces have written into Ms. IV. E. 36 (National Library in Prague). > > It is dated to 1712. This is also very interesting lute manuscripts > > collection where we could find inscription:“Jvani Jelinek Bohemi/ > > monasterii S. Joannis sub Rupe/ Sacerdotis jubilati/ Anno suae aetatis > > 76 sepulti/ die 26 Decb 1759 mortui/ in nova crypta a Rissimo D. D. > > Aemiliano Kotterowsky/ Abbate/ in antiqua Ecclesia 1712 facta". > > > > Best wishes > > > > Grzegorz > > > > > > Dnia 9-01-2011 o godz. 7:32 A. J. Ness napisał(a): > >> There is a through study of the KremsmĂźnster manuscript by Rudolf > >> Flotzinger*. Of the nine manucripts of lute music, MS L83, was partially > >> copied by Scribe E, the Abbot, Ferdinand Fischer (d. 1711), who seems to > >> have incuded some of his > >> own pieces (attr. "Peucher"). This volume dates after ca. 1697 since it > >> has > >> reference to the Grand Alliez of Louis XIV (Peace of Rijswijk, 1697), > >> and an > >> apparent tombeau for Louis's mistress Marie-Angelique de Fontage (d. > >> [poisoned?] 1681). Another tombeau is for the Marquis de St. Maurisse > >> (Maurice), an important diarist of life at Versailles, but I do not know > >> when he died. > >> > >> It certainly has a lot of minuets. Of its 160 pieces I would guess that a > >> third are minuets. > >> > >> There are other lute manuscripts that belonged to a cleric, including the > >> Kniebandl manuscripts from GrĂźssau. Grzgorz, who reads this list, is > >> preparing a study of them. > >> > >> *Die Lautenhandschriften des Stiftes KremsmĂźnster: Thematischer Katalog, > >> Tabulae Musicae Austriacae, Bd. II (Vienna 1965). 274 pp. > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Roman Turovsky"<r.turov...@verizon.net> > >> To:<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "wikla"<wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > >> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 4:30 PM > >> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: The timing of A-KR ms. L 83? > >> > >> > >>> I have a vague recollection that the friar who owned the Ms. was known by > >>> name. > >>> I'm sure Arthur of Per-Kjetil would clarify. > >>> RT > >>> > >>> > >>> ----- Original Message ----- > >>> From: "wikla"<wi...@cs.helsinki.fi> > >>> To:<baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu> > >>> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2011 4:22 PM > >>> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] The timing of A-KR ms. L 83? > >>> > >>> > >>> Dear baroque lutenists, > >>> > >>> do you have any idea of the dating of the A-KR ms. L 83 (Library: > >>> KremsmĂźnster, Benediktiner-Stift KremsmĂźnster, Regenterei oder > >>> Musikarchiv). There in this ms. is the famous(?) lute version of the > >>> Passacaille by Biber. His violin version was printed first time already in > >>> 1676. The Kremsmuenster ms. is perhaps at least a little later, perhaps > >>> quite much, but how much really? Any research of that ms.? Or even > >>> opinions? > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance for any tiny bit of info! > >>> > >>> Arto > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> To get on or off this list see list information at > >>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html > >>> > >>> > > > >
