[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Arto, In his famous book "Pieces de luth" Perrine uses the "p" for pouce (engl: thumb). And to indicate the first finger (right hand) he used an "a" as you can see from the copy of a page of this other book "Livre de musique pur le lut". Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 09:34 An: Bernhard Fischer Cc: 'Baroque Lute Net'; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: "g." and "p.". What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: > Dear Arto, > > This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as > teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts > in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your > kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna > MS 17706. > > Best regards from Vienna, > Bernhard > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag > von Arto Wikla > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 > An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique > > Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, > I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, > page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only > the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the > upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the > "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. > You can find my version in > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about > 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). > Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this > technique? > All the best, > Arto > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Arto, In his famous book "Pieces de luth" Perrine uses the "p" for pouce (engl: thumb). Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von wi...@cs.helsinki.fi Gesendet: Donnerstag, 12. April 2012 09:34 An: Bernhard Fischer Cc: 'Baroque Lute Net'; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: "g." and "p.". What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: > Dear Arto, > > This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as > teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts > in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your > kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna > MS 17706. > > Best regards from Vienna, > Bernhard > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag > von Arto Wikla > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 > An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu > Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique > > Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, > I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, > page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only > the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the > upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the > "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. > You can find my version in > [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about > 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). > Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this > technique? > All the best, > Arto > -- > > References > > 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be > > > To get on or off this list see list information at > http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Von Radolt also employs this technique in his 'Der Aller Treueeste
Freindin...' (Vienna 1701) - see the paper with relevant translation
and commentary by Bill Samson and me in FoMRHI Quarterly some years ago
(digital copies available - search FoMRHI). And I've recall at least
one other example in a French MS source but can't offhand remember
which.
But this effect is not really the same as guitar campenella play in
which different courses are used to pluck a scalic passage.
Martyn
--- On Wed, 11/4/12, Mathias Roesel wrote:
From: Mathias Roesel
Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
To: "Baroque Lute Net"
Date: Wednesday, 11 April, 2012, 23:12
> Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only
the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings
the
upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the
"campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music.
...
Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this
technique?
There is an allemande by Graf Pergen in Giesbert's method where
this
technique is used also.
Mathias
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[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Dear Bernhard, thanks! The 17706 (8r-8v) doesn't seem to indicate playing the campanella, as you also have written. On the other hand the Saizenay 279153 (p. 114) does that, and uses special markings to that: "g." and "p.". What (French?) words could those mean? Best, Arto On 12/04/12 09:45, Bernhard Fischer wrote: Dear Arto, This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna MS 17706. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. You can find my version in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Dear Arto, This Mouton Prelude is well known and included in lute school books as teaching material / example. It is included in several historic manuscripts in various versions, with and without dissection the bass course. For your kind information I attach my hand-written copy of this piece from the Vienna MS 17706. Best regards from Vienna, Bernhard -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu [mailto:lute-...@cs.dartmouth.edu] Im Auftrag von Arto Wikla Gesendet: Mittwoch, 11. April 2012 18:50 An: Baroque Lute Net; vihu...@cs.dartmouth.edu Betreff: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Mouton's "campanella" technique Dear baroque lutenists and guitarists, I played a tiny Prelude by Mouton from his printed book Pieces de Luth, page 1. Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. You can find my version in [1]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be It is quite short, 46 seconds. The campanella passage starts in about 0:21, where the bass goes C-B-A-G-F (a'A5Hz). Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? All the best, Arto -- References 1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N64w2NH6hCg&feature=youtu.be To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
Hi-I use this technique all the time in J.S. Bach transcriptions. Its very handy. I have my own way of notating it that is more clear than using a big and little letter or number. --Sterling From: Mathias Roesel To: Baroque Lute Net Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 4:12 PM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique > Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. ... Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? There is an allemande by Graf Pergen in Giesbert's method where this technique is used also. Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: Mouton's "campanella" technique
> Here Mouton uses his unique(?) technique of playing first only the low octave of a bass course and only after some higher strings the upper octave of the same bass course. So it is actually the "campanella" technique better known in baroque guitar music. ... Does anyone know, whether any other baroque lutenist used this technique? There is an allemande by Graf Pergen in Giesbert's method where this technique is used also. Mathias -- To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
