[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Dear collective wisdom there are also lute polonoises by Fichtel, Kohaut, Blohm, Pichler, Bleditsch, Durant, Weichenberger, Bronikowski, Kühnel, Hasse. Jean-François Christoflour To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Thanks! If anyone here has something enticing of the Polish sort sitting electronically handy on their HD's: Do send them to me, PLEASE! RT - Original Message - From: "A. J. Ness" To: "Roman Turovsky" ; "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises Several dozen cited in SMT: http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/titp.htm http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/tanz.htm#polnisch - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Several dozen cited in SMT: http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/titp.htm http://w1.bnu.fr/smt/tanz.htm#polnisch - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
That's probably the large gallichon book. RT From: "Stuart Walsh" Am 29.01.2011 06:25, schrieb Roman Turovsky: A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I have a vague memory of polonaises in an Alamire publication of 18th century lute music from Brussels. Stuart
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
I'd disagree on that one (always found op.2 irritating). IMO only. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" To: "Jean-Daniel Forget" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 10:03 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises Falckenhagen's are the best polonaises on lute. Sometimes tuneful opening melody, sinister second molody, and a fun, catchy idiomatic "hook". Sometimes they are just gutsy, stridant, rhythmic romps. They are the essence of the galant partita. - Original Message - From: "Jean-Daniel Forget" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises S. L. Weiss in S-C 51, S-C 94.2, S-C 95.5, S-C 97.4, S-C 55*. Alexandre Gallot (Gallot d'Angers) in Milleran MS Johann Michael Kühnel in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek Ms 5362. Jean-Daniel Le 29/01/11 06:25, Roman Turovsky a écrit : A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
From: "Dale Young" Some odd pieces in Augsburg. Seems like the Saxons and the Silesians were keen on them...Weiss and his students. Friedmann Bach's are the best, although decidedly not for lute. Yes, along with JSB's and GPT's orchestral ones. RT - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:59 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G, - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
I have the S's, and K's F-major one. What else? RT From: "Dale Young" Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G, From: "Roman Turovsky" A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Thanks! VERY useful. RT - Original Message - From: "Markus Lutz" To: "Roman Turovsky" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 4:33 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises There are many: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=Pol And some also are hidden under the following entries: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=pol Best Markus Am 29.01.2011 06:25, schrieb Roman Turovsky: A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
I do. What is out there, outside of Brussels Ms and Schiffelholz "Brescianello"? RT - Original Message - From: "Martyn Hodgson" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 3:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises Quite a lot for mandora - if you count this as a 'lute' MH --- On Sat, 29/1/11, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: Roman Turovsky Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Date: Saturday, 29 January, 2011, 5:25 A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Falckenhagen's are the best polonaises on lute. Sometimes tuneful opening melody, sinister second molody, and a fun, catchy idiomatic "hook". Sometimes they are just gutsy, stridant, rhythmic romps. They are the essence of the galant partita. - Original Message - From: "Jean-Daniel Forget" Cc: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 6:54 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises S. L. Weiss in S-C 51, S-C 94.2, S-C 95.5, S-C 97.4, S-C 55*. Alexandre Gallot (Gallot d'Angers) in Milleran MS Johann Michael Kühnel in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek Ms 5362. Jean-Daniel Le 29/01/11 06:25, Roman Turovsky a écrit : A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
The 2 lute duos are called POLONOIS in the Ms., but contain no polonaises. There some in his keyboard works though. There is one I arranged years ago - http://www.polyhymnion.org/swv/images/scherz.pdf RT - Original Message - From: "Markus Lutz" To: "Thomas Schall" ; "BAROQUE-LUTE" Cc: "Stuart Walsh" ; "Roman Turovsky" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 5:36 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises What do you mean with Telemann-Transcriptions? PL-Wu2001? It doesn't have any Polonaise ... Best regards Markus Am 29.01.2011 11:29, schrieb Thomas Schall: The Telemann-Transcriptions have some if I recall correctly. I remember Kropfganss and Blohm ... Am 29.01.2011 10:48, schrieb Stuart Walsh: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
S. L. Weiss in S-C 51, S-C 94.2, S-C 95.5, S-C 97.4, S-C 55*. Alexandre Gallot (Gallot d'Angers) in Milleran MS Johann Michael Kühnel in Bayerische Staatsbibliothek Ms 5362. Jean-Daniel Le 29/01/11 06:25, Roman Turovsky a écrit : A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
What do you mean with Telemann-Transcriptions? PL-Wu2001? It doesn't have any Polonaise ... Best regards Markus Am 29.01.2011 11:29, schrieb Thomas Schall: The Telemann-Transcriptions have some if I recall correctly. I remember Kropfganss and Blohm ... Am 29.01.2011 10:48, schrieb Stuart Walsh: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
The Telemann-Transcriptions have some if I recall correctly. I remember Kropfganss and Blohm ... Am 29.01.2011 10:48, schrieb Stuart Walsh: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Am 29.01.2011 06:25, schrieb Roman Turovsky: A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html I have a vague memory of polonaises in an Alamire publication of 18th century lute music from Brussels. Stuart
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
There are many: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=Pol And some also are hidden under the following entries: http://mss.slweiss.de/index.php?id=2&type=mss&mss=&nam=pol Best Markus Am 29.01.2011 06:25, schrieb Roman Turovsky: A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- Markus Lutz Schulstraße 11 88422 Bad Buchau Tel 0 75 82 / 92 62 89 Fax 0 75 82 / 92 62 90 Mail mar...@gmlutz.de
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises 'per il Gallichona'
--0-1146046691-1296292639=:55291 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further to my last, I thought you both might like to see an example from the collection 'Tre Serenata / Per il Gallichona' Dresden 2701. Mandora/gallichon in guitar interval tuning with 6th course up a minor third (ie tone below 5th). If transcribing for the Dm lute I'd suggest you retain the general tessitura by transcribing the first course of the mandora as the second of the lute (both at d' of course). MH --- On Sat, 29/1/11, Dale Young wrote: From: Dale Young Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" , "Roman Turovsky" , "Dale Young" Date: Saturday, 29 January, 2011, 6:19 Some odd pieces in Augsburg. Seems like the Saxons and the Silesians were keen on them...Weiss and his students. Friedmann Bach's are the best, although decidedly not for lute. - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:59 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises > Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G, > - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" > To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" > Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM > Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises > > >>A question to the Collective Wisdom: >> >> What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and >> Falkenhagen op.2? >> >> RT To get on or off this list see list information at >> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html >> >> >> - >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11 >> > > > > > - > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11 > --0-1146046691-1296292639=:55291 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Further to my last, I thought you both might like to see an example from the collection 'Tre Serenata / Per il Gallichona' Dresden 2701. Mandora/gallichon in guitar interval tuning with 6th course up a minor third (ie tone below 5th). If transcribing for the Dm lute I'd suggest you retain the general tessitura by transcribing the first course of the mandora as the second of the lute (both at d' of course). MH--- On Sat, 29/1/11, Dale Young <dyoung5...@wowway.com> wrote: From: Dale Young <dyoung5...@wowway.com>Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaisesTo: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>, "Roman Turovsky" <r.turov...@verizon.net>, "Dale Young" <dyoung5...@wowway.com>Date: Saturday, 29 January, 2011, 6:19 Some odd pieces in Augsburg. Seems like the Saxons and the Silesians were keen on them...Weiss and his students. Friedmann Bach's are the best, although decidedly not for lute.- Original Message - From: "Dale Young" <http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dyoung5...@wowway.com"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>dyoung5...@wowway.com>To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>; "Roman Turovsky" <http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@verizon.net"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>r.turov...@verizon.net>Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:59 AMSubject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises> Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G,> - Original Message - > From: "Roman Turovsky" <http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=r.turov...@verizon.net"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>r.turov...@verizon.net>> To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" <http://uk.mc263.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>baroque-lute@cs.dartmouth.edu>> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM> Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises>>>>A question to the Collective Wisdom:>>>> What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and >> Falkenhagen op.2?>>>> RT To get on or off this list see list information at>> http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html"; rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html>>>>>> ->> No virus found in this message.>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com>> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11>>>>>>> -> No virus found in this message.> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com> Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11> --0-1146046691-1296292639=:55291-- --
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Quite a lot for mandora - if you count this as a 'lute' MH --- On Sat, 29/1/11, Roman Turovsky wrote: From: Roman Turovsky Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Date: Saturday, 29 January, 2011, 5:25 A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at [1]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html -- References 1. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Some odd pieces in Augsburg. Seems like the Saxons and the Silesians were keen on them...Weiss and his students. Friedmann Bach's are the best, although decidedly not for lute. - Original Message - From: "Dale Young" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" ; "Roman Turovsky" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:59 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G, - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11 - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
[BAROQUE-LUTE] Re: polonaises
Kropffganss solos and trios , Straube in G, - Original Message - From: "Roman Turovsky" To: "BAROQUE-LUTE" Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2011 12:25 AM Subject: [BAROQUE-LUTE] polonaises A question to the Collective Wisdom: What lute polonaises do we have, aside from Baron, Weiss-Moscow, and Falkenhagen op.2? RT To get on or off this list see list information at http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1204 / Virus Database: 1435/3408 - Release Date: 01/28/11
