Re: [base] tab2mage exporter question

2007-10-17 Thread Dominic Oyeniran
Hi Micha,

Micha Bayer wrote:
 Hi Dominic,
 
 We are trying to export our first experiment for real so we can submit
 it to ArrayExpress, and initially it looked like everything had worked
 okay. But now we have found an error with the annotation that I wanted
 to ask you about. 

 Our experiment is a two-colour one, and we have a factor which can take
 the value of mutant or wildtype. Both  mutant and wildtype sample is
 applied to the hybridization (one per channel) and we then want the
 RawBioAssay item to inherit its annotations. The only way we could find
 to do that was to inherit from both the samples, but then only one of
 them is exported into the tab2mage file, which presumably is not good
 enough for ArrayExpress.

This is becuase BASE chooses the first of the inherited annotations 
values that it finds for sample, assigns and displays this as the factor 
value for the experiment.

And the tab2mage exporter exports this assigned value during export.

I will post this response on the mailing list so that Nicklas and others 
can pick it up.  I reckon we should list the inherited values for two 
channel raw bioassay on the experiment page (at the raw bio assay 
section. And then we can find a mechanism to export that.


I think array express will accept the exported file as it is. Although 
there will be a loss of information. I.e. instead of having mutant and 
wildtype as factor value on each Hyb channel row of the tab2mage file, 
you will only have either one that Base has assigned as factor value.

¬Dominic



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Re: [base] tab2mage exporter question

2007-10-17 Thread Nicklas Nordborg
Dominic Oyeniran wrote:
 Hi Micha,
 
 Micha Bayer wrote:
 Hi Dominic,

 We are trying to export our first experiment for real so we can submit
 it to ArrayExpress, and initially it looked like everything had worked
 okay. But now we have found an error with the annotation that I wanted
 to ask you about. 
 
 Our experiment is a two-colour one, and we have a factor which can take
 the value of mutant or wildtype. Both  mutant and wildtype sample is
 applied to the hybridization (one per channel) and we then want the
 RawBioAssay item to inherit its annotations. The only way we could find
 to do that was to inherit from both the samples, but then only one of
 them is exported into the tab2mage file, which presumably is not good
 enough for ArrayExpress.
 
 This is becuase BASE chooses the first of the inherited annotations 
 values that it finds for sample, assigns and displays this as the factor 
 value for the experiment.

BASE doesn't choose one of them. All inherited annotation values are 
always displayed.

/Nicklas

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Re: [base] tab2mage exporter question

2007-10-17 Thread Dominic Oyeniran
Nicklas Nordborg wrote:
 Dominic Oyeniran wrote:
 Hi Micha,

 Micha Bayer wrote:
 Hi Dominic,

 We are trying to export our first experiment for real so we can submit
 it to ArrayExpress, and initially it looked like everything had worked
 okay. But now we have found an error with the annotation that I wanted
 to ask you about. 
 Our experiment is a two-colour one, and we have a factor which can take
 the value of mutant or wildtype. Both  mutant and wildtype sample is
 applied to the hybridization (one per channel) and we then want the
 RawBioAssay item to inherit its annotations. The only way we could find
 to do that was to inherit from both the samples, but then only one of
 them is exported into the tab2mage file, which presumably is not good
 enough for ArrayExpress.
 This is becuase BASE chooses the first of the inherited annotations 
 values that it finds for sample, assigns and displays this as the factor 
 value for the experiment.
 
 BASE doesn't choose one of them. All inherited annotation values are 
 always displayed.
 


BASE actually chooses one of them, at least as shown on the GUI here. 
It's not the exprimental factors section of the GUI parse that's 
relevant here, based on my understanding, but the Raw Bio assays section 
listing each raw bio assay included in the experiment. Since 
experimental factor values/annotation values has to be propagated 
through the Raw Bio assays.

For each Raw Bio assay in an experiment,  you can only see or get one of 
the inherited values having inherited annotations from two different 
Sample items  each from a line in the two channel hyb.

However, the inherited values are displayed as separate annotations for 
the raw bio assays on the 'Inherited annotations and protocol parameters 
section' of the view page.

If this is not the case then I must have a wrong understanding of how 
factor values annotation are obtained or handled in BASE.

¬Dominic




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Re: [base] Problems running Tab2Mage Importer, NOT sufficient Disk Space

2007-10-17 Thread Dominic Oyeniran

  I had this problem too, but had not yet got round to figuring out the
  solution.

It is very helpful to read the README.TXT file on the BasePlugins 
download page before using the tab2mage importer plugin to avoid any 
issues /problems.

The direct link to the file as stated in the last email is : 
http://lev.thep.lu.se/trac/baseplugins/browser/trunk/uk/ac/ebi/Tab2MageImporter/README.txt.

Just an information for other interested users too.

Thanks,

¬Dominic

Bob MacCallum wrote:



 Dominic Oyeniran writes:
   
   vegard nygaard wrote:
I am trying out the Tab2Mage importer. When starting it from the import
button in an experiment it quickly returns with an error. I am running 
 it as
root on base2.4.3 having added tab2mage importer and Annotation Type and 
 CV
Loader as plug-ins. Input file is the genepix example file found at
http://www.ebi.ac.uk/~oyeniran/pages/download.html. This is output from 
 the
plugin window:

Name Run plugin: Tab2Mage Importer 
Description  
Priority 4 (1 = highest, 10 = lowest)  
Status Error: IMPORT FAILS: The directory containing the unzipped files
could not be found. You may NOT have sufficient Disk Space  
Percent complete   
  100% 
   
   This is a known issue and has been documented here: 
   
 http://lev.thep.lu.se/trac/baseplugins/browser/trunk/uk/ac/ebi/Tab2MageImporter/README.txt.
   Please scroll to the usage section right after the installation section.
   
   Simply, we recommend not running the importer as the root user.
   I believe it's advisable to run BASE as an administrator and not the 
   root user as well.
   
   In the next release of the importer, a root user will be able to run the 
   importer as well.
   
In my efforts to solve the problem I wanted to inspect the code but was
unable to find the java files referred in the stack trace. Where can I 
 find
them? In the jar file I found only class files. I downloaded the whole
Nutribase-2.0.2-src.zip, but was unable to unpack the file properly. Are 
 the
source files for the importer inside and if so how do I unpack the zip 
 file?
   
   The source file for the importer is available at: 
   
 http://lev.thep.lu.se/trac/baseplugins/browser/trunk/uk/ac/ebi/Tab2MageImporter/src/uk/
   
   
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Re: [base] Problems running Tab2Mage Importer, NOT sufficient Disk Space

2007-10-17 Thread Dominic Oyeniran
 And it is also linked from 
 http://lev.thep.lu.se/trac/baseplugins/wiki/uk.ac.ebi.Tab2MageImporter
 But the readme file is not very precise about this problem, it advices me
 not to use root. I disregarded that advice :(. If it will only run as a
 non-root user with a limited quota, that should be stated as an imperative.
 

Changed and checked in.
 
 Anyways, I got past that problem now but ran into another one.
 Error: IMPORT FAILS: The tab2mage file supplied is not compliant with the
 tab2mage specification
 I use the genepix example zip file. If this is another known issue please
 let me know, if not I will look more into it in detail tomorrow and let you
 know if I am stuck.
 
  Please check the exceptions on the server and send it to me to have a 
look at.

¬Dominic

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[base] BASE 2.4.4 released. Please read, important performance issue fixed in this release.

2007-10-17 Thread Bob MacCallum

That is excellent news.  I was thinking that the root bioassay set creation
was rather too slow for a simple subtraction that takes no time in BASE1.

many thanks,
Bob.

Jari Häkkinen writes:
  We are happy to announce the release of BASE 2.4.4.
  
  As always you can find the latest release at 
  http://base.thep.lu.se/wiki/DownloadPage for download.
  
  This releases contains an important fix that resolves severe performance 
  issues, cf. http://base.thep.lu.se/ticket/796. The code is now fixed but 
  you will have to update your database, please read 
  http://base.thep.lu.se/chrome/site/latest/html/admindoc/installation_upgrade/installation_upgrade.upgrade.html
  on how to update your database. We have not detected any data integrity 
  problems related to this issue.
  
  The script may take quite some time depending on your database size. Our 
  BASE installation took almost 24h to fix, so patience is a virtue here. 
  Remember to upgrade BASE before starting the upgrade script and kepp 
  BASE shutdown until the script ends.
  
  Happy BASEing,
  
  The Lund BASE team
  
  
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Re: [base] Problems running Tab2Mage Importer, NOT sufficient Disk Space

2007-10-17 Thread Jari Häkkinen
Just for your information:

Dominic Oyeniran wrote:
 This is a known issue and has been documented here: 
 http://lev.thep.lu.se/trac/baseplugins/browser/trunk/uk/ac/ebi/Tab2MageImporter/README.txt.
 Please scroll to the usage section right after the installation section.

We prefer to use links to the more generic http://baseplugins.thep.lu.se 
since lev is merely the current host of the baseplugins (and base) and 
it may changes in the future. That is the above link should be a more 
archive safe 
http://baseplugins.thep.lu.se/browser/trunk/uk/ac/ebi/Tab2MageImporter/README.txt
 


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