Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP

2012-06-16 Thread LuKreme 
On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:54, Bruce Van Allen  wrote:
> The OP had a genuine problem, and it's still not clear to me if it's due to 
> BBEdit, Lion, the MBP Retina Display, or the OP's own settings.

It's due to the new retina display and the renderer that BBEdit uses which is, 
as I understand it, already deprecated as of 10.7 and will not be in "a future 
OS" *at all*.

It's logical to assume that the features of the special Lion version on the 
retina MBP will be moving to 10.8 (or more I key that the special version 
actually includes some existing Mnt Lion code).

Here's the one thing I am sure of, BBEdit will continue to be updated and will 
work. That doesn't mean it will be ready on day one for the bleeding edge set, 
but it will be ready, and probably pretty soon.

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Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP

2012-06-16 Thread Bruce Van Allen 

On 6/16/12 at 5:54 AM, ne...@neiltiffin.com (Neil Tiffin) wrote:
Yep, this "modern" api originated in OS 8.5, was marked as 
legacy in OSX 10.6, is carbon based (IIRC), and will be 
deprecated in 10.8.  Oops.


OMG -- you mean all this time I've been using BBEdit its text 
rendering has been done by less-than-the-latest technology?? And 
in the future that technology will be deprecated???!!!


This must be a severe blow to those suffering from the 
technology disease -- you now, "needing" a new product the 
moment they heard about it, feeling depressed as soon as a 
faster model of their current computer is released, always 
focused on what will come next rather than on what they can do 
with what's available today.


Don't mean to sound critical of Gabriel or Neil, but IMO these 
two posts don't help the OP or any other BBEdit users (no one's 
running 10.8, for one thing). They just feed the disease, 
stimulating more craving for updates, spreading the idea that 
BBEdit is somehow defective or behind the times.


The OP had a genuine problem, and it's still not clear to me if 
it's due to BBEdit, Lion, the MBP Retina Display, or the OP's 
own settings.


Has anyone else with a Retina MBP had the OP's problem (poor 
text rendering)?




On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Gabriel Roth wrote:



On 6/15/12 at 2:49 PM, sie...@barebones.com (Rich Siegel) wrote:

No; we're using ATSUI, the other "modern" rendering API.



An article at

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/18/
apple_issues_xcode_44_developer_preview_3.html

states:

The [Xcode release] notes also cautioned that performance of ATS
APIs will suffer in OS X 10.8 because the ATS.framework is being
deprecated. Developers are instructed to replace all their ATS code
with CoreText as it will be removed in future OS X releases.




   - Bruce

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Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP

2012-06-16 Thread mason k 
Personally I find it annoying that Apple deprecated Carbon.  The constant 
deprecations create an annoying gerbil wheel which sucks up a lot of dev 
cycles that could be spent on far more interesting things.  

Apple's shitastic backwards compatibility policies are one of the main 
reasons I've stayed off of actually developing apps for my favorite 
platform.  It's a bag of hurt, to quote someone famous.

But Carbon apps can still render text in crisp mode.  My guess is something 
in this http://osdir.com/ml/general/2012-06/msg24720.html or in the 
subsequent formal documentation that he promises is going to have the fix. 
 Unfortunately, when I tried his suggestion of changing AppleMagnifiedMode 
to false, but it didn't change BBEdit.  For a second there, I really 
thought it was going to be that easy.

On Friday, June 15, 2012 3:47:58 PM UTC-4, mason k wrote:
>
> Hi guys, this just a heads up that BBEdit text aliases on a RMBP even 
> on "Best for Retina" mode.  Not only that, but there is colored 
> haloing around the text on certain scaling factors, e.g. 1920. 
>
> The best scaling factor is actually the second largest for my chosen 
> font size, 18pt.  But, it's not pretty, even there. 
>
> For now I am experiment with other options, such as keeping BBEdit on 
> the second monitor, and (shudder) TextMate (which looks flawless at 
> all scalings). 
>
> I have complete faith in BareBones that they're going to fix this 
> issue.  I am nervous about the timeframe, though, since replacing the 
> rendering engine has the potential to be a monstrous task. 
>
> Best regards, 
>
> Mason

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[info] Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP

2012-06-16 Thread Patrick Woolsey 
Gabriel Roth  sez:
[...]
>> Developers are instructed to replace all their ATS code with CoreText
>> as it will be removed in future OS X releases.


Which we're also aware of & already working on :-) for a future version
(albeit not immediate).


Regards,

 Patrick Woolsey
==
Bare Bones Software, Inc.  
P.O. Box 1048, Bedford, MA 01730-1048


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Re: BBEdit looks quite bad on Retina MBP

2012-06-16 Thread Neil Tiffin 
Yep, this "modern" api originated in OS 8.5, was marked as legacy in OSX 10.6, 
is carbon based (IIRC), and will be deprecated in 10.8.  Oops.

On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:01 PM, Gabriel Roth wrote:

>> No; we're using ATSUI, the other "modern" rendering API.
> 
> An article at 
> http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/12/04/18/apple_issues_xcode_44_developer_preview_3.html
> states:
> 
>> The [Xcode release] notes also cautioned that performance of ATS APIs will 
>> suffer in OS X 10.8 because the ATS.framework is being deprecated. 
>> Developers are instructed to replace all their ATS code with CoreText as it 
>> will be removed in future OS X releases.
> 
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