Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. Does cmd-opt-f not do this? (paired with cmd-g that iterates through all found pieces of text?) Just curious, especially if there is a better solution scripted you've found. On Monday, March 18, 2013 9:41:08 PM UTC-7, Oliver Taylor wrote: I usually abstain from these things, but I'm a little bored, so why not... On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:27 AM, David Foster davi...@gmail.comjavascript: wrote: Sublime Text and TextMate have all but supplanted BBEdit in terms of mindshare in the circles that I travel in. I would agree with that. There are a thousand reasons, but it ultimately comes down to the fact that bare bones has a vision for what BBEdit should be, and it's not anything like TextMate or Sublime, or any of their clones. The people on this list use BBEdit for their own reasons - and I would agree that those reasons are slowly being thinned down, but they are far from gone. Nothing else matches BBEdit's support, documentation, and ease of use - but not everyone priorities these things, a lot of people want (or think they want) raw power and flexibility - something TextMate and Sublime put front and center. However BBEdit is an extremely capable editor and it bothers me that new Mac users are either not finding it or not selecting it. More competition is better. BBEdit has a widely-known reputation as an extremely stable and powerful editor. Perhaps for some people this doesn't matter as much as other things... ** Highly recommend adding videos for feature highlights and tutorials. People don't seem to read long bodies of copy these days. I agree with this. Bare Bone's website is decidedly old-school. I'd love to see someone like brett terpstra show-off how cool BBEdit is in some screencasts. I also think Bare Bones could to more to collect community-written packages (etc) that extend BBEdit in great ways - but this is a challenge all editors face. * Improve program aesthetics ** Good job with the retina display support, but there is still more work to do... I completely disagree. BBEdit is in a class by itself in this regard. While it may not be as flashy as something like Coda or Espresso, the consistency of the interface is peerless and delicate considerations abound. Take for example how far the first line of text is from the top of the window. Almost every editor I've ever used crams that first line up against the edge of the window, only BBEdit pads it by a few pixels. Or the subtle 1px borders on the line-highlight - it's beautiful! Also consider the dialogue boxes, each is very fell thought-out and easy to understand - I've never come across an unintelligible alert while using BBEdit. ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. ** The language-specific text snippets built-in to TextMate are quite useful. It is possible to create custom scripts in BBEdit that have similar functionality, but it is clumsy. I agree that more could be done there. BBEdit has clipping sets that change based on the language of the front-document, why not scripts or text filters? Binding something simple like return to different scripts based on language makes the editor feel better - the editor does the right thing regardless of the language. In particular I'm disappointed that text filters act on the selection or the entire document, more fine-grained control over what the filter should apply to when there is no selection would be nice. What makes TextMate (and clones like Sublime) so powerful and flexible is the user-accessable document-scoping system. This allows the same keybinding to behave in radically different ways depending on the language and the exact position of the insertion point in the document. In my opinion this is obviously the way all text editors should behave, and anything else will eventually be outdated. But for now I get along just fine in BBEdit. *** Naturally making BBEdit cross-platform would likely be very development-intensive. Hahaha, development intensive, that's good. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
Folks, I am still running 9.6.3 but I simply highlight a word then hit CMD-E, now each CMD-G finds the next occurrence of the word. Am I missing something??? Thanks, Ted *** Ted Burger t...@tobsupport.com * www.tobsupport.com On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Rob wrote: ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. Does cmd-opt-f not do this? (paired with cmd-g that iterates through all found pieces of text?) Just curious, especially if there is a better solution scripted you've found. On Monday, March 18, 2013 9:41:08 PM UTC-7, Oliver Taylor wrote: I usually abstain from these things, but I'm a little bored, so why not... On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:27 AM, David Foster davi...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime Text and TextMate have all but supplanted BBEdit in terms of mindshare in the circles that I travel in. I would agree with that. There are a thousand reasons, but it ultimately comes down to the fact that bare bones has a vision for what BBEdit should be, and it's not anything like TextMate or Sublime, or any of their clones. The people on this list use BBEdit for their own reasons - and I would agree that those reasons are slowly being thinned down, but they are far from gone. Nothing else matches BBEdit's support, documentation, and ease of use - but not everyone priorities these things, a lot of people want (or think they want) raw power and flexibility - something TextMate and Sublime put front and center. However BBEdit is an extremely capable editor and it bothers me that new Mac users are either not finding it or not selecting it. More competition is better. BBEdit has a widely-known reputation as an extremely stable and powerful editor. Perhaps for some people this doesn't matter as much as other things... ** Highly recommend adding videos for feature highlights and tutorials. People don't seem to read long bodies of copy these days. I agree with this. Bare Bone's website is decidedly old-school. I'd love to see someone like brett terpstra show-off how cool BBEdit is in some screencasts. I also think Bare Bones could to more to collect community-written packages (etc) that extend BBEdit in great ways - but this is a challenge all editors face. * Improve program aesthetics ** Good job with the retina display support, but there is still more work to do... I completely disagree. BBEdit is in a class by itself in this regard. While it may not be as flashy as something like Coda or Espresso, the consistency of the interface is peerless and delicate considerations abound. Take for example how far the first line of text is from the top of the window. Almost every editor I've ever used crams that first line up against the edge of the window, only BBEdit pads it by a few pixels. Or the subtle 1px borders on the line-highlight - it's beautiful! Also consider the dialogue boxes, each is very fell thought-out and easy to understand - I've never come across an unintelligible alert while using BBEdit. ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. ** The language-specific text snippets built-in to TextMate are quite useful. It is possible to create custom scripts in BBEdit that have similar functionality, but it is clumsy. I agree that more could be done there. BBEdit has clipping sets that change based on the language of the front-document, why not scripts or text filters? Binding something simple like return to different scripts based on language makes the editor feel better - the editor does the right thing regardless of the language. In particular I'm disappointed that text filters act on the selection or the entire document, more fine-grained control over what the filter should apply to when there is no selection would be nice. What makes TextMate (and clones like Sublime) so powerful and flexible is the user-accessable document-scoping system. This allows the same keybinding to behave in radically different ways depending on the language and the exact position of the insertion point in the document. In my opinion this is obviously the way all text editors should behave, and anything else will eventually be outdated. But for now I get along just fine in BBEdit. *** Naturally making BBEdit cross-platform would likely be very development-intensive. Hahaha,
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
Not to mention that alt-cmd-f brings up the live search bar (or whatever they call it). BBones- please have cmd-e populate the live search text. It annoys me (every day!!!) that cmd-e works just fine for the main search, but doesn't work on live search. On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Ted Burger t...@tobsupport.com wrote: Folks, I am still running 9.6.3 but I simply highlight a word then hit CMD-E, now each CMD-G finds the next occurrence of the word. Am I missing something??? Thanks, Ted *** Ted Burger t...@tobsupport.com * www.tobsupport.com On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:28 PM, Rob wrote: ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. Does cmd-opt-f not do this? (paired with cmd-g that iterates through all found pieces of text?) Just curious, especially if there is a better solution scripted you've found. On Monday, March 18, 2013 9:41:08 PM UTC-7, Oliver Taylor wrote: I usually abstain from these things, but I'm a little bored, so why not... On Mar 18, 2013, at 11:27 AM, David Foster davi...@gmail.com wrote: Sublime Text and TextMate have all but supplanted BBEdit in terms of mindshare in the circles that I travel in. I would agree with that. There are a thousand reasons, but it ultimately comes down to the fact that bare bones has a vision for what BBEdit should be, and it's not anything like TextMate or Sublime, or any of their clones. The people on this list use BBEdit for their own reasons - and I would agree that those reasons are slowly being thinned down, but they are far from gone. Nothing else matches BBEdit's support, documentation, and ease of use - but not everyone priorities these things, a lot of people want (or think they want) raw power and flexibility - something TextMate and Sublime put front and center. However BBEdit is an extremely capable editor and it bothers me that new Mac users are either not finding it or not selecting it. More competition is better. BBEdit has a widely-known reputation as an extremely stable and powerful editor. Perhaps for some people this doesn't matter as much as other things... ** Highly recommend adding videos for feature highlights and tutorials. People don't seem to read long bodies of copy these days. I agree with this. Bare Bone's website is decidedly old-school. I'd love to see someone like brett terpstra show-off how cool BBEdit is in some screencasts. I also think Bare Bones could to more to collect community-written packages (etc) that extend BBEdit in great ways - but this is a challenge all editors face. * Improve program aesthetics ** Good job with the retina display support, but there is still more work to do... I completely disagree. BBEdit is in a class by itself in this regard. While it may not be as flashy as something like Coda or Espresso, the consistency of the interface is peerless and delicate considerations abound. Take for example how far the first line of text is from the top of the window. Almost every editor I've ever used crams that first line up against the edge of the window, only BBEdit pads it by a few pixels. Or the subtle 1px borders on the line-highlight - it's beautiful! Also consider the dialogue boxes, each is very fell thought-out and easy to understand - I've never come across an unintelligible alert while using BBEdit. ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. ** The language-specific text snippets built-in to TextMate are quite useful. It is possible to create custom scripts in BBEdit that have similar functionality, but it is clumsy. I agree that more could be done there. BBEdit has clipping sets that change based on the language of the front-document, why not scripts or text filters? Binding something simple like return to different scripts based on language makes the editor feel better - the editor does the right thing regardless of the language. In particular I'm disappointed that text filters act on the selection or the entire document, more fine-grained control over what the filter should apply to when there is no selection would be nice. What makes TextMate (and clones like Sublime) so powerful and flexible is the user-accessable document-scoping system. This allows the same keybinding to behave in radically different ways depending on the language and the exact position of the insertion point in the document. In my opinion this
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On 2013-03-19 at 3:58 PM, t...@tobsupport.com (Ted Burger) wrote: I am still running 9.6.3 but I simply highlight a word then hit CMD-E, now each CMD-G finds the next occurrence of the word. Not only that: you can assign, say, Command-H to Find Selected Text, which does the same as Command-E Command-G in one step, and after that the highlighted phrase is the search phrase. Am I missing something??? I don't think so. X Editor does Vaguely Described Feature(TM) better than BBEdit. Love it. Just in case we're really missing something, anyone care to define incremental find and explain how it differs from what BBEdit offers? Best Regards, - Bruce _bruce__van_allen__santa_cruz_ca_ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:07 PM, Bruce Van Allen b...@cruzio.com wrote: On 2013-03-19 at 3:58 PM, t...@tobsupport.com (Ted Burger) wrote: I am still running 9.6.3 but I simply highlight a word then hit CMD-E, now each CMD-G finds the next occurrence of the word. Not only that: you can assign, say, Command-H to Find Selected Text, which does the same as Command-E Command-G in one step, and after that the highlighted phrase is the search phrase. Am I missing something??? I don't think so. X Editor does Vaguely Described Feature(TM) better than BBEdit. Love it. Just in case we're really missing something, anyone care to define incremental find and explain how it differs from what BBEdit offers? Best Regards, - Bruce _bruce__van_allen__santa_cruz_ca_ Howdy, An incremental search searches and finds AS YOU TYPE YOUR SEARCH rather than waiting until you press Return after entering the full search term. Good Luck, Herb Schulz (herbs at wideopenwest dot com) -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On Mar 19, 2013, at 5:15 PM, Herbert Schulz he...@wideopenwest.com wrote: An incremental search searches and finds AS YOU TYPE YOUR SEARCH rather than waiting until you press Return after entering the full search term. Command-Option-F will get you to Live Search. You could re-assign it to Command-F if you use it a lot. [fletcher] -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On 19/03/2013 04:41, Oliver Taylor wrote: ** Incremental find I completely agree with this one. Incremental find that's good enough, and quick enough to use, for skipping around lighting-fast inside a paragraph is something I sorely miss from other editors. I've written my own scripts for this, but a built-in solution would be better. In BBEdit if you type command-option-F then you have incremental find. Perhaps that's not what you mean. JD -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On 2013-03-19 at 5:15 PM, he...@wideopenwest.com (Herbert Schulz) wrote: An incremental search searches and finds AS YOU TYPE YOUR SEARCH rather than waiting until you press Return after entering the full search term. Thanks. So this happens when you're typing your search into a find dialog? And then you jump back to your text to edit? When the incremental search searches and finds as you type, is the found text *selected* or just color highlighted? Whether one might want this seems like a work-style difference among some of us. When I can, I disable search systems that start providing guesses as soon as I type, just as I don't use BBEdit's auto-complete (I think it was MS Word that provided my original pain with this misfeature.) But I suppose plenty must like this behavior... I do a huge amount of searching, especially find the next instance of the selected text without ever opening the find dialog -- just command keys. And Quick Find will visually identify all instances if I need to see them all at once. Even replacements can be set via the keyboard. I turn to the find dialog mostly when I need to compose a regular expression for a search, and/or specify a complicated replacement. Barebones is very responsive to feature requests, especially if they understand your use case and get a clear description of the behavior you want. And some of us totally-mind-clamped BBEditors will grumpily speak up and say Sure, go ahead and request that (weird|crazy|discredited|younger-than-me) feature -- no prob as long as it can be optional. Best Regards, - Bruce _bruce__van_allen__santa_cruz_ca_ -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On Mar 19, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Ted Burger t...@tobsupport.com wrote: I am still running 9.6.3 but I simply highlight a word then hit CMD-E, now each CMD-G finds the next occurrence of the word. Am I missing something??? No, this works very well, I use it all the time. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
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On Mar 19, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Steve deRosier deros...@gmail.com wrote: BBones- please have cmd-e populate the live search text. It annoys me (every day!!!) that cmd-e works just fine for the main search, but doesn't work on live search. Oh wow, I didn't know that one. Thanks! -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
Re: Regaining mindshare for BBEdit
On Mar 19, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Bruce Van Allen b...@cruzio.com wrote: X Editor does Vaguely Described Feature(TM) better than BBEdit. Love it. Just in case we're really missing something, anyone care to define incremental find and explain how it differs from what BBEdit offers? It's true, I was vague, let me now be clear: First, BBEdit doesn't do backwards live-search. You can hit a hot-key and search backwards for the word you just typed in the Live Search field, but BBEdit always searches forward to begin with. It's especially jarring when the previous match was only a line away, but the next match is half the document away - jump forward half a document, then jump back and reorient yourself, you're screwed if you type the wrong thing - which leads me to... Second, BBEdit moves the insertion point as you type, even if you delete your live-search or cancel it. Thus, if you type the wrong string you have to hunt for the spot you started the search from - effectivly, there is no cancel. Vim remembers where you were can takes you back if you change your mind - this is especially handy for quickly jumping to another part of a document just to peak at it, also handy for bad typists (me). Third, both Sumblime and Vim optionally accept regex in their live-search. (one of the reasons I developed my own script) Fourth (and I recognize that this is a personal preference), the panel that pops down moves the content of the window down 2 lines (to make room for the panel). I'm accustomed to looking at the bit of text I want to jump to, and typing (in Vim) /text and just being taken there, by moving the text down when I search I can't look at the place I want to go to, I have to reorient myself. -- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the BBEdit Talk discussion group on Google Groups. To post to this group, send email to bbedit@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit?hl=en If you have a feature request or would like to report a problem, please email supp...@barebones.com rather than posting to the group. Follow @bbedit on Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/bbedit --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BBEdit Talk group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to bbedit+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
