Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Govinda]

>
> Also the table editor gives me more to do. I cannot find a way to
> create an empty table shell. Does anyone know how to do it in v10?
>

Olov,

try this:

type this:
"
aabbcc
112233
"

..then select what is inside the quotes.. and then use the table
button on the HTML tools palette, and select the "..convert to table"
command. (leave delimiter set to "tab", and "first line is header"
checked.

I find this about as useful as the old way to make a table shell.

-Govinda

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Kerri Hicks]

On Sep 28, 12:43 pm, Olov Bergqvist  wrote:
> In my example I wanted to add width and height. Using the 9.x editor
> this is simple.
> Using the 10 editor I have to go to e.g. Finder and check the values
> and then typ them manually into the width/height value boxes.

You can find your answer earlier in this thread:

http://groups.google.com/group/bbedit/msg/d0e9679f5267455b

The functionality is restored in 10.0.2, which is currently in pre-
release (check the topics listing for this group, it's one of the top
ones).


> Also the table editor gives me more to do. I cannot find a way to
> create an empty table shell. Does anyone know how to do it in v10?

What do you want to have in your "empty" table shell? Right now, what
it gives you is pretty empty.

Your best bet is probably to create a Clipping that contains exactly
what you want as a template (number of rows/cells) and use that when
you want to insert a table.

--Kerri

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Olov Bergqvist]

Hi,

I think the new BBEdit 10 HTML editor
http://bergqvist.info/olov/test/img%20html%20editor%20v10.png
does not help as much as the 9.x one.
http://bergqvist.info/olov/test/img%20html%20editor%20v9.png

In my example I wanted to add width and height. Using the 9.x editor
this is simple.
Using the 10 editor I have to go to e.g. Finder and check the values
and then typ them manually into the width/height value boxes.

Also the table editor gives me more to do. I cannot find a way to
create an empty table shell. Does anyone know how to do it in v10?

//Olov

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Govinda]

> can you please articulate why one might prefer using inline styling
> for image height and width, rather than old school height and width
> attritbutes?

Bruce, I had not even got that far as to which method (styling -vs.-
attributes)  I would use in the end.  I was just aiming to get BBedit
to type *either* method for me.  I have not read enough articles on
the topic to know which method will eventually be my preferred
method.  Meanwhile I tend to style images inline just out of
convenience.. and so like Kerri says, why have extra attributes?  But
I am hardly prepared to make any argument about it.  My OP was just to
see if I could get my brand new BBedit10 install to perform as per the
docs - auto-type width and height values, anywhere, somehow.
While we are here, what is your argument (seemingly) for old-school
attributes?
Thanks,
-Govinda

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Kerri Hicks]

On Sep 5, 11:33 am, blinde  wrote:
> can you please articulate why one might prefer using inline styling
> for image height and width, rather than old school height and width
> attritbutes?

For most modern doctypes, standard width and height attributes should
only contain the actual dimensions of the image, as those attributes
are considered descriptive markup, and not presentational markup. (The
fact that most user agents *do* presentationally resize images based
on those attributes notwithstanding.)

If you want to change the presentation of the image (e.g. make the
image display at a size that is not its actual size, which is rarely a
good idea, but still, it's allowed), then that is presentational
information and should be in CSS, not descriptive attributes.

So, markup = descriptive, CSS = presentational:
 * Height and width attributes = "The image you are loading is this
size." = descriptive markup
 * CSS height and width = "Display the image you are loading at this
size." = presentational markup

It's a subtle difference, but it makes us pedants happy. :-)

(Personally, I tend to prefer using CSS, primarily because I'm usually
going to style an image inline anyway, so why add three attributes
when you can work with only add one?)

--Kerri

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[blinde]

can you please articulate why one might prefer using inline styling
for image height and width, rather than old school height and width
attritbutes?

thanks!

bruce






On Sep 4, 10:13 am, Govinda  wrote:
> > Are you using the current prerelease version, BBEdit 10.0.2? The video
> > says that's a 10.0.2...it was first announced in one of the recent
> > prerelease builds mentioned here on the list.
>
> Thanks Kerri,
>
> That must be the answer then.  So I'll just wait for 10.0.2 to become
> final and see what happens when i update to that. (I am using 10.0.1
> (3072) now).
> -Govinda

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Govinda]

> Are you using the current prerelease version, BBEdit 10.0.2? The video
> says that's a 10.0.2...it was first announced in one of the recent
> prerelease builds mentioned here on the list.

Thanks Kerri,

That must be the answer then.  So I'll just wait for 10.0.2 to become
final and see what happens when i update to that. (I am using 10.0.1
(3072) now).
-Govinda

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Re: image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Kerri Hicks]

On Sep 4, 10:49 am, Govinda  wrote:

> I just upgraded to BBedit 10

> http://www.youtube.com/user/BareBonesSoftware#p/u/8/rGuKPCgjkXU
>
> You just click the image button in the HTML Tools palette.. navigate
> to the the image.. and hit enter and it apparently is supposed to (in
> an HTML doc) drop in the markup for the image, *including* the width
> and height attributes.
> ...and yet, still, when I use the image button from the HTML tools
> palette, it is not generating any markup related to width or height.
> Not sure what I am missing.  Thanks for any pointers,

Are you using the current prerelease version, BBEdit 10.0.2? The video
says that's a 10.0.2...it was first announced in one of the recent
prerelease builds mentioned here on the list.

--Kerri

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image width/height markup missing after image button from HTML Tools palette. (?)

[Govinda]

HI Everyone

I just upgraded to BBedit 10, and I have a feeling this has been
covered.. but when I read (and follow) the relavent parts of the
manual, I do not seem to be getting the expected behavior.  Also I
just discovered the youtube videos put up by barebones... like this
one, on my topic:

http://www.youtube.com/user/BareBonesSoftware#p/u/8/rGuKPCgjkXU

You just click the image button in the HTML Tools palette.. navigate
to the the image.. and hit enter and it apparently is supposed to (in
an HTML doc) drop in the markup for the image, *including* the width
and height attributes.. or alternatively, with a particular expert
pref. set, then you can have the width and height put in the style
attribute instead.  Never having set an expert pref before.. I just
followed instruction as per the above video and (seemingly
successfully) from Terminal, ran these two commands:

[Govindas-iMac-2:~] Govind% defaults write com.barebones.bbedit
HTMLImageMarkupCreatesSizeAttributes -bool YES
[Govindas-iMac-2:~] Govind% defaults write com.barebones.bbedit
HTMLImageMarkupUseInlineStyleForImageSize -bool YES

...and yet, still, when I use the image button from the HTML tools
palette, it is not generating any markup related to width or height.
Not sure what I am missing.  Thanks for any pointers,

-Govinda

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