Soap Sheild

2002-05-09 Thread Dave Robison

At 12:01 PM 5/8/02 -0400, you wrote:
Are you looking for an environmentally superior,
all-in-one fungicide for your garden? 
  Decomposes! Soap-Shield
eventually decomposes to form soluble copper and fatty
acid, both necessary to the growth of plants and soil
microorganisms.

I'm surprised no one answered. I don't feel like an expert but I will put 
in my opinion.
The fact is that this is a biocide -- and will have some effect on the 
ecosystem and soil web -- amount of effect is unknown.
Generally, we avoid soap sprays because they affect beneficial insects as 
well as problem ones. Copper, as CuSO4, is a fungicide. One could argue 
that Cu is a essential trace element (true) but the concentrations to kill 
fungus are way beyond the trace level needed. CuSO4 has been allowed as an 
organic spray on the argument that it is a naturally occurring mineral. I 
don't agree --it's still a biocide, as are many other naturally occurring 
substances. So it sounds like they are trying to give you an all-in-one 
biocide that will kill insects as well as fungi. Usual chemical mindset 
applied to sell organic products.
Why would you want to use it? What problem are you experiencing? Decide if 
it's fungus or insect and follow the appropriate strategy rather than apply 
a scattergun where you might not even have a problem.
Is it ok to use Cu? Well, not exactly. It is a fungicide, acts as an 
antagonist to Zn (another necessary trace mineral), will have some effect 
on soil microlife. And having said that, I do use it myself. In our damp 
climate, it is unwise to grow peaches -- they just die from peach leaf 
curl, even disease resistant cultivars. But the fruit is so wonderful, I 
can't resist trying. I have a couple of backyard dwarf trees to which I 
apply Cu spray sparingly, keep covered so the rain wont wash it down to the 
soil and still have to hand prune a lot of disease off. If anyone has any 
better ideas, I would like to hear them. Greg had a method involving 
fertilizing with horse manure compost that I have not been able to try. 
Someone else suggested crab apple blossom essence but didn't explain how it 
is applied.


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Dave Robison




Re: Soap-Shield

2002-05-09 Thread Allan Balliett

This reminds me to ask What is Growers?

A neighboring farmer says 'We are organic but we cannot be certified 
because we use growers. Growers is ok but not in the OMRI. Being 
certified is not worth not using 'Growers' I don't see this neighor 
often. Can someone else tell me what 'Growers' is?

Thanks

-Allan




Re: Soap-Shield

2002-05-09 Thread Lloyd Charles


- Original Message From: Allan Balliett
 This reminds me to ask What is Growers?

 A neighboring farmer says 'We are organic but we cannot be certified
 because we use growers. Growers is ok but not in the OMRI. Being
 certified is not worth not using 'Growers' I don't see this neighor
 often. Can someone else tell me what 'Growers' is?

Hi Allan
 We have a friend in Indiana who used to be an agent for
Growers Fertiliser Solutions the company is/was in Milan Ohio. From what
He showed my son and reading about it this is a top quality liquid
fertiliser - hot mix NPK - with biologicals and microbial stimulators
added - they use about 2 gallon to the acre in the row on corn and another
dressing as foliar at tassell - the sort of quality input that the eco
farmers would use - I am amazed that I have never seen this company
advertised in acres magazine - the whole concept -company philosophy - is
classic Albrecht. One of the founders V A Teidjens wrote a book called more
food from soil science about 1965 - this guy would have been at least as
much of a rebel as Albrecht or Carey Reams but never got the publicity! The
story goes that one of the Growers agents was the guy who put up bail for
Reams when he got arrested in California for practicing medicine without a
licence.
I know exactly what your neighbor is on about - we are in the same
position - using small amounts of high quality nutritional inputs that are
improving our soil health and crop quality - not allowed for organic
certification - thats not a problem but what does worry me is that at the
same time the local feedlot can sell anaerobic partly composted cow crap
full of salts and lord knows what else,  as a grade a certified product
for use in organic production
Have a good day all
Lloyd Charles

PS  Hot off the press - thanks to the latest efforts of GW and co we can now
get a contract for $85 US  for next years wheat.
Its  seeding time - mercury retrograde and dry as an old boot in this neck
of the woods




Re: vortex pump

2002-05-09 Thread laura_s

Could the original poster please repost the link to vortex pumps ? thanks 
I am looking for the perfect pump for my compost tea brewer

Laura Sabourin
Feast of Fields Inc
Demeter Certified Vineyard  Farm  http://www.ragdolls.net/vineyard.htm
Ragenesque Ragdoll Cattery http://www.ragdolls.net/ragenesq.htm
R R # 1
St Catharines, Ontario L2R 6P7





OFF: CAIDS Press Release

2002-05-09 Thread Moen Creek
Title: OFF: CAIDS Press Release



Haven't landed in the calboose yet,
But hectic and phone bound.

In Love  Light
Markess

--
PRESS RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE PUBLICATION

From: Citizens Against Irrational Deer Slaughter (CAIDS)

Contacts: Attorney David Mandell (608) 256-7765, 256-7723)
 Linda Derrickson or Mark Kessenich (Landowners, Farmers, B  B Owners,
 Linda is also Town of Vermont Treasurer, Mark is a Hunter) (608) 437-4141
 Mark Sherven (Landowner, Farmer, Hunter, Town of Vermont Plan Commissioner)
 (608) 437-3732
 John Barnes, Local Veterinarian (608) 845-6026

An organization known as CAIDS has been formed to respond to the DNR's proposed deer extermination within a targeted circle in parts of western Dane County and eastern Iowa County. CAIDS stands for Citizens Against Irrational Deer Slaughter.

According to CAIDS attorney, David Mandell, the group will be working on several fronts to provide people in Wisconsin with alternatives to the DNR plan of herd extermination in the target zone near Mount Horeb. CAIDS members want to slow the process to allow time for research into the disease to determine a mode of transmission. Mandell says the DNR admits they are not aware of the mode or method of transmission of CWD, if any. 

The DNR acknowledges they have not considered any other alternative to extermination. CAIDS feels there has not been enough public input taken into account for such a drastic DNR management measure.

Anyone sharing our concern and/or wanting to join our network can contact one of the above with your name and address. Additionally, if you would like to participate in meetings, conferences or other forms of direct advocacy, your email or telephone number will be needed.

Donations to support CAIDS legal work and other expenses are most welcome. An injunction or lawsuit may be necessary. Alliance for Animals can receive your tax deductible donations--please write CAIDS Donation on the check and send to: Alliance for Animals, 122 State Street, #406, Madison, WI 53703. We also suggest that you look at their web site: http://www.allanimals.org/alert27.html

CAIDS is concerned about the economic impact of the purposed slaughter on our community. Some of our questions/ concerns are:
--How will a summer hunt/slaughter? affect businesses that depend on visitors that come here for our bike trails, parks, scenic beauty, Little Norway, Tyrol Basin weddings, local restaurants, gift shops, lodging, etc.
--Why should this sacrifice be asked with no data to support that it will be effective, plus some data to suggest that it won't work.

CAIDS is concerned about the feasibility  safety of slaughtering 15,000 animals during the summer months in this rugged, heavily foliated terrain. Some of our questions/concerns are:
--Will all the bodies be tested? Is this even possible within the 24 hrs required to do testing?
--Can the hunters realistically haul the carcasses out through the heavy brush?
--Where will they take the carcasses? Landfill? Cremation? Where? 
--If they don't haul them out, what are the impacts of leaving them on our land? What will eat the bodies?
--What will the large coyote and wild dog population eat when the deer are gone? Is there a risk for children? livestock? pets? Will they move closer to homes  villages seeing food for themselves and their young?
--What are the risks of shooting accidents? Human? Livestock?
--How long did the slaughter of 512 animals take this past winter during the test hunt?
--How long will it take to slaughter 15,000 animals with heavy foliation in the summer? 
--How many of the deer will simply run out of the targeted zone to other areas?

CAIDS is concerned about the environmental impacts of the purposed DNR plan of mass slaughtering deer in the target area. Some of our questions/ concerns are:
--What are the environmental impacts of wiping out a species in a specific locality?
--What new imbalances in our ecosystem will be created? 
--How will domesticated animals react to low-flying helicopters and prolonged rifle fire. Will cows abort, for example? Will they break through fences? We donĀ¹t even know all the questions to ask. 

CAIDS is concerned about the ethical, moral, spiritual and human health issues regarding the DNR plan of mass slaughtering deer in the target area. Some of our questions/ concerns are:
--How does the massive slaughter of a species that has provided a bond of community and culture affect the mental and emotional health of our citizens?
--How does a prolonged out-of-season hunt affect our ability to recreate and enjoy our land?
--Is slaughter of does with fawns a conscionable deed? 
--Are we loosing sight of our humanity when so little is known about the outcome?

There are many reasons that hunting of deer has been a fall/winter activity in Wisconsin. Primary of these is safety. Deer should be hunted when leaves are off the trees and deer can be clearly seen. The possibility of shooting accidents in the summer due