Re: Thanks to everyone
Merla: Sounds like you're winning to me, if old Randy is getting upset then he probably feels threatened. One thing that always impresses onlookers in organic / conventional debates is the fact that mostly the organic people stay calm and rational and the conventional people get angry. David C - Original Message - From: Merla Barberie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: BD Now [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 18 October 2002 2:30 AM Subject: Thanks to everyone I got home from my east coast trip at midnight on Monday, October 14, after my Spokane Symphony Chorale rehearsal. Mary Portera at River Gallery in Chattanooga took all the ceramic animals I had and even bought a large frog with an injured eye with her personal check. With an Anthroposophic Chattanooga friend, I visited Union Agricultural Institute when Hugh was speaking in Michigan and Lorraine was at market in Atlanta. Their apprentice, Sylvia, showed us around. I loved their cows. I wish we could have cows, but it's not possible. When I got home, I found a root cellar full of apples, peppers, some tomatoes and the tomato coldframes full of brown tomato plants. We ended up with 25 cases of salsa. Herb and Ed had brought in the manure for our compost pile and I got three sets compost preps and a cow horn from Hugh Courtney at the conference. I am also going to make BC. On Wednesday, I attended a meeting of the new Selkirk Weed Management Area Board which includes people from four counties, the Forest Service and the Nature Conservancy. These are the people who will read my report on the Rapid Lightning Weed Control Project and who decide what projects from our area will be presented to the state for funding. I had a chance to tell them what we had done on our road project. As soon as I mentioned Bio-Dynamics, though, Randy, the Bonner County (my county) Weed Committee Chair, the one who blocked my using Pfeiffer Field Spray by inquiring whether it was registered as a soil amendment in Idaho, started in on me in front of everyone--declaring that Pfeiffer Field Spray was full of bad nematodes. Of course, I countered that this was not true. When I explained that BD Preps have a spiritual component and that this is why we don't want to subject them to the state registration process, he said something about the separation of church and state. He raised his voice and succeeded in taking the whole floor and stopped my presentation. Even though the man is raving, he still managed to control what happened in the meeting. What I did was close my eyes, meditate right there for a few seconds and put myself in the most positive attitude I could muster. When I left the meeting, I felt a lot of good vibrations, especially from the women on the Board. I think I handled myself all right. Time will tell. The worst possible scenario, I hope, is that Iwill just have to demonstrate Bio-Dynamic weed control on our own place, our private road and contiguous neighbor's properties. Randy will probably do everything he can to block any future state grants for our project. It will be interesting to see what the SCWMA Board does with our report and future funding. They have to deal with many people whose livelihood is based on the use of pesticides. Before he spoke, there was interest in combining our work with Bio-controls. The strategic plan of the group that was presented had all kinds of objectives such as Restoration of the land - keep as close to the natural state as possible. Can you all visualize them supporting our work and Randy having a change of heart and becoming less threatened by people who work with natural processes? Thanks to everyone at the conference in Lovettsville for your presence there. I certainly was delighted with what I learned. Best, Merla
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Status: U From: elvis farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [194.9.184.111] Subject: ASSISTANCE Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:46:39 GMT+1 FROM THE DESK OF, DR ELVIS BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER, FOREIGN REMMITTANCE DEPT. BANQUE INTERNATIONALE DU ABIDJAN ABIDJAN, COTE D,IVOIRE Dear ; With due respect and humility, I write to you this proposal.I am the manager of bill and exchange at the foreign remittance department of Banque Internationale du Abidjan . I am writing following the impressive information about you through the chamber of commerce here and my spirit assured me of your capability and reliability to champion this businees opportunity. In my department, we discovered an abandoned sum of U.S$7.5m US dollars (seven million Five Hundred Thoudand US dollars) . In an account that belongs to one of our foreign customer who died along with his entire family in november 1997 in a plane crash. Since we got information about his death, we have been expecting his next of kin to come forward and claim his money because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines and policies but unfortunately we learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside with him at the plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claims. It is therefore upon this discovery that I and other officials in my department now decided to make this businness proposal to you and release the money to you as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming forth and we don't want this money to go into the Bank treasury as unclaimed Bill. According to our Banking policies and guideline here which stipulates that if such money remained unclaimed after five years, the money will automatically be transfered into the Bank treasury as unclaimed fund. The request of foreigner as next of kin in this business is occasioned by the fact that the customer was a foreigner an Ivorian,that someone from ivory coast here cannot stand as next of kin to a foreigner. We agree that 25 % of this money will be for you as foreign partner, in respect to the provision of a foreign account, 10 %will be for reimbursement of any expenses incured during the curse of the transaction and 65 % would be for me and my colleagues. There after I and my colleagues will visit your country for disbursement according to the percentages indicated. Therefore to enable the immediate trnansfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as relation or next of kin of the deceased indicating your bank name, your bank account number, your private telephone and fax number for easier and effective communication and location where the money will be remitted . Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you by fax or email the text of the application. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required arrangements have been made for the transfer .You should contact me immediately as soon as you receive this letter. Trusting to hear from you immediately. Your's faithfully, FROM THE DESK OF, DR ELVIS BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER, FOREIGN REMMITTANCE DEPT _ Gagnes une PS2 ! Envoies un SMS avec le code PS au 61166 (0,34* Hors coût du SMS)
Re: Marie Steiner on the life of RS
Thank you for sharing. Christy
Re: Biodynamic cheeses
Allan, Maybe you didn't get it at the time? Victor, and his ashram's CSA, were prohibited from using the term Biodynamic by the Demeter, Inc. holders of the term as a trademark--namely Anne Mendenhall. Has she resigned yet? Has this prohibition been retracted? Not wanting a lawsuit from Demeter Victor is being circumspect. Who can blame him. Do you blame him? I believe his ambitious grower who is non-biodynamic has one of my field broadcasters and is using the preps to grow better food than 90+% of the Demeter certified growers, who don't seem to be numerous anyway. What is Demeter doing to spread the method? And I don't mean to spread the hype, I mean to actually get the effects of the preparations out on the land. I don't advise people using my towers to say they are biodynamic, since that could only land them in trouble with Demeter. Yet many of them are more biodynamic (though I use the term advisedly) than the Demeter certified growers. I don't mean to desparage those certified by Demeter. I have seen many evidences (taste and smell particularly) that most Demeter certified products are superior. But I don't see that being certified by Demeter is any significant advantage to them. I wonder why they continue their certification? Victor distributes foods from sources he knows to be superior, regardless of the Demeter label. He is puzzled that Demeter has leaned on some of their certified farms to not sell through him. Others sell through him anyway. What is the advantage of enforcing Demeter's prohibition? He has sworn off use of the biodynamic term, but what is the big deal that a certified farm will not now sell its products through him? Could it be your effort to group us all together under that term that ensured attendance of your conference was not a high priority for him? I, though I'm trying to avoid the use of the term biodynamic also, I felt your committment to good food far outweighed your use of the term. So I attended and did my best to participate fully. But I'm not committed to using the term biodynamic. Sorry. You had an assembly of tallent that should have had more like 300 people in attendance rather than 100. You're doing good work, and sacrificing to do so. But do you owe so great a debt to Demeter than you have to enforce their ownership of a word that should by rights be in the public domain? I don't understand. By the way, let me know when Anne resigns, her policy is revoked and the term biodynamic is returned to the public domain. I might feel warmer to your use of the term biodynamic then. Best Hugh Lovel Let me say that we wound up getting our biodynamic cheese from the dairy at Kimberton. We picked up a colby and a cheddar in, what, 5lb blocks. (Steve Storch did the physical pick up and delivery. Bless the man.) The cheese was unbelievably delicious and seemed to resonate with everyone's inner sense of what nutrition really is. I'm going to have a very hard time eating any other cheese in the future, and probably won't, unless, of course, it is to trial another biodynamic cheese. I don't know if these folks mail order. Fortunately, or unfortunately, most of the biodynamic cheese makers can sell everything they make right from their own doorsteps. As far as Victor goes, well, check your prices at Kimberton and Hawthorne Valley and maybe Hugh Lovel before you get a quote from Shanti. And factor this in to what you know about things: Victor and Shanti had the offer of a free table at the Mid-Atlantic Conference and, as usual, free admission for as many of his flock as would enjoy to come and learn more about biodynamics and to meet more BD growers AND the conference was located within 60minutes of the Shanti Ashram but Ashram activities were put ahead of attending the conference - ALL THREE DAYS. Victor excused Shanti's involvement because of ashram activities but No effort was made to have a non-Ashram individual represent the growers distributed by Shanti at the conference, the largest gathering of biodynamically minded growers and eaters (lots of health-oriented attendees , thanks to Mary Ann Skillman) n the DC Baltimore area. On top of that, he appears to be partnering with a very ambitious local non-biodynamic farm for produce. One can only imagine that early supporters of the Shanti program will soon be left out of the distribution, or, at a minimum, experience drops in volume. Better for the consumer to have biodynamically grown food from farm's with long BD histories like Jeff Poppen's or Hugh Lovel's, if you're really looking for food filled with the forces appropriate for development of the spiritual self. Just my opinion, of course. The 7 Stars yogurt we had at the conference was wonderful, also. Again, fresh from the doc at Kimberton, thanks to SS. While I'm at it, the Kimberton Bakery bread was totally awesome, again reasonating with the viscera in a wonderful way. Strangely, many of the loaves left over molded by Monday, which is contrary to how
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Allan, this is a scam, you know. I recieved one like this a few weeks ago. They will start asking for two hundred or so dollars a week to secure the process with the bank or some other really weak BS. Do not send these people any money, you will get nothing for it. Beware...sstorch
Re: Organic Inputs
- Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Organic Inputs Hi all Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for some info needed for an exam. It's a soil exam and I'm s tired of costing out their NPK, understandable they want their land managers to know how to calculate amounts, but their fertilisers are not something I want to work with. Therefore I need % breakdowns of constituents for this exercise. I realise this may be difficult to apply to BD, but other organic inputs would work well. If anyone knows where I can get such breakdowns I'd like to follow through this exam as ecologically as possible. Thanks for your time LL Liz Hi Liz This is what I use on for an intensive flower growing operation. Fish 6-5-5 N.P.K Seaweed. 1.5 -.5- 2.5 Feldspar0 - 0 - 9 Horse .7 -.2 -.4 Poultry 1.3 - .7 - .7 Cow.5-0.3-0.7 Blood and Bone meal 7-7-0 Rock dust0-0.52-1.1 - Mg 5.9- Na 2.2Trace elements PHosphate soft 0-2-0 Greensand [glauconite] 7%K The products i use in Non toxic CEC soil balancing Calcium 36% Gypsum 23% Ca 18% S Calcium Nitrate 15-0-0-19Ca Sulphate Potash 0-0-50 Sulphate Ammonia 21-0-0-24S Do you want the formula for Fertiliser Requirement Calculations using Base Saturation Data Some of these values do change a point or two depending on what book you are reading. If you get a chance read the following books For further research read Non_Toxic Farming Handbook by Philip Wheeler and Ronald Ward. Science in Agriculture by Arden Anderson Farming in the 21st Century by Dan Skow Source of books Acres USA web site http://www.acresusa.com Best wishes with your exams Cheers Tony Robinson
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Good grief! Was only making a request. Please accept my apology for seemingly inferring such negativity. It was not my intent. I haveappreciated and supported all the wonderful things that Allan has done in biodynamics in many ways over a number of years and will continue to do so in what ever way that I am able to do so. I very much appreciate the superhuman efforts, talent and organizing that Allan did to put together October's conference. I appreciate the travel and loss of sleep that the speakers underwent to be there. I enjoyed all of the speakers and am already looking forward to next year's Mid Atlantic Biodynamic Conference. Can't wait. I also appreciate the BDNOW! list and the tremendous efforts that go into keeping it up and running for us all. Thank you to all of the members of this for your contributions. I have built paper files with categories and have been doing so for 3 years of study with the books that I have. I do have quite a few plants growing in my condo close to The White House and I also have an herb garden and trees growing on the roof. All have been sprayed with the preps from JPI and have earthworms growing in the soil. Peace and please keep up the wonderful information and inspiration, Mary Ann Allan, It's fine you've apologized, but I wouldn't go overboard with it. Some people have weak and defiled minds and can't help it, and you aren't responsible for their state--they are. They will punish themselves accordingly until they learn better. There is no reason you should shoulder their burdens and their pain in addition to them doing so. Best, Hugh Lovel Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. Click Here
Re: Organic Inputs
Thanks Lloyd and Tony, appreciate your feed back. Know what you mean Lloyd by jumping through the hoops, just don't want to do that anymore. Bad hoop jumper. I will locate a fax # in the next few days. Tony those were exactly the sort of breakdowns I'm looking for, thanks. I've got all the calculations, just don't want to work from an incitec brochure. Thanks for the further reading, my 4 month summer break will be full of such reading. Whilst here, have any of you attended a Stoneage Farming course by Alanna Moore? Have a chance to go to one in Mudgee in Nov, sounds interesting. Feeding 620 tonight so I'm off to the kitchen now. LL Liz on 19/10/02 4:47 AM, Rambler Flowers LTD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Organic Inputs Hi all Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for some info needed for an exam. It's a soil exam and I'm s tired of costing out their NPK, understandable they want their land managers to know how to calculate amounts, but their fertilisers are not something I want to work with. Therefore I need % breakdowns of constituents for this exercise. I realise this may be difficult to apply to BD, but other organic inputs would work well. If anyone knows where I can get such breakdowns I'd like to follow through this exam as ecologically as possible. Thanks for your time LL Liz Hi Liz This is what I use on for an intensive flower growing operation. Fish 6-5-5 N.P.K Seaweed. 1.5 -.5- 2.5 Feldspar0 - 0 - 9 Horse .7 -.2 -.4 Poultry 1.3 - .7 - .7 Cow.5-0.3-0.7 Blood and Bone meal 7-7-0 Rock dust0-0.52-1.1 - Mg 5.9- Na 2.2Trace elements PHosphate soft 0-2-0 Greensand [glauconite] 7%K The products i use in Non toxic CEC soil balancing Calcium 36% Gypsum 23% Ca 18% S Calcium Nitrate 15-0-0-19Ca Sulphate Potash 0-0-50 Sulphate Ammonia 21-0-0-24S Do you want the formula for Fertiliser Requirement Calculations using Base Saturation Data Some of these values do change a point or two depending on what book you are reading. If you get a chance read the following books For further research read Non_Toxic Farming Handbook by Philip Wheeler and Ronald Ward. Science in Agriculture by Arden Anderson Farming in the 21st Century by Dan Skow Source of books Acres USA web site http://www.acresusa.com Best wishes with your exams Cheers Tony Robinson
Re: Nutrient blockers
- Original Message - From: tachung_h [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: RE: Nutrient blockers What are the experience from members of this list in using Humic Acid to buffer the negative impact of inorganic fertilizer such as NH4 and to allow minerals to be easily absorbed by plants. Hi TaChung Huang (¶À¤j©¾) I have been using Humic acid and molasses for exactly this purpose to buffer the effects of any inputs and cultivation. They both compensate any carbon loss from cultivating and energy use up to assimulate inputs. I have been using Humic acid for 6 months over the autunm /winter months and this spring i have seen some changes for the better. Every time i add some thing or cultivate the soil i spray with a mixture of 100 litres worm leachate, 2.5 litres humic acid, 500gms of Molasses[ i use a 500 gm honey pot and drop the whole lot into container and stir . A 10 litre knapsack will cover 300m2 at a slow walking speed. Cheers Tony Robinson -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lloyd Charles Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 5:44 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Nutrient blockers - Original Message - From: tachung_h [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 3:41 AM Subject: RE: Nutrient blockers Hi Lyoyd: Thank you for the kind assistance and explanations. It is very helpful. What does it mean when people say that long term usage of inorganic fertilizer will cause the soil to become acidic? Is it because the fertilizer itself is acidic? There are some fertilisers that are acidic but the main cause of soil acidity seems to be from chemical reactions involved in the nitrogen cycle and breakdown of organic matter There are several mechanisms involved 1. The actual chemistry of the fertiliser applied - when ammonium NH4 is converted to Nitrate NO3 there is excess hydrogen into the soil solution - these fertilisers need about 2kg of lime per kg of Nitrogen to neutralise the released hydrogen. 2. Leaching of Nitrate leaves excess hydrogen 3. Excess application of nitrogen fertiliser burns up soil organic matter leading to further excess of nitrate and leaching (this can happen with excessive animal manures too) Good healthy microbial activity will prevent much of this from happening by buffering the negative effects, by locking up applied nitrogen and releasing it slowly as plants require it. Or is it because the calcium is bonded with other ions and leached away? Soils low in calcium (unbalanced) require higher inputs (overdosing)of salt fertilisers to get a satisfactory yield - the plants are watery, brix readings low, and the plants more susceptible to drought stress, diseases and insect attack. There is much more to this than I have written here L Charles Regards TaChung Huang
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- Original Message - From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2002 11:53 PM Subject: Re: Nutrient blockers Thanks, Tony. Would you mind being more precise with your recommendations, especially in regard to the humic acid? (I guess I really need the same info about the molasses, also.) Sort of Which? What Kind of? How Much? How frequently, and so on? Thanks! -Allan Hi Allan I use a certified organic product called Humusol made in NewZealand from imported raw material derived from Leonardite. Manufactures recommendation 20 litres/ha autumn/winter followed by 20 L/ha spring in aminium of 400 litres water Best results will be obtained with 25-30 ml rain 5-10 days after cultivation. Because I like to spray each time I add something /cultivate the soil during the autumn I do all my soil prepartion/ bed forming in the autumn cover with a light layer of wood chips and leave for the winter to digest I use the humusol at the rate 1-40. I spray with a mixture of 100 litres worm leachate, or water 2.5 litres humusol, 500 gms of Molasses[ I use a 500 gm honey pot and drop the whole lot into container and stir . A 10 litre knapsack will cover 300m2 at a slow walking speed. I then spray again after planting . This springs planting it will become part of a post planting sequential spray. Cheers Tony
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Allan, as I am sure you realise, this is the Nigerian Hit by another name. They use your details and empty your account for you. Greedy Australians get caught to the tune of some tens of millions each year. They then blame the bank, the Government and any one other than their own greed. Gil Allan Balliett wrote: Status: U From: elvis farms [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Originating-IP: [194.9.184.111] Subject: ASSISTANCE Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2002 13:46:39 GMT+1 FROM THE DESK OF, DR ELVIS BILL AND EXCHANGE MANAGER, FOREIGN REMMITTANCE DEPT. BANQUE INTERNATIONALE DU ABIDJAN ABIDJAN, COTE D,IVOIRE Dear ; With due respect and humility, I write to you this proposal. Snip
Re: Organic Inputs
Hi! Liz, Not done a Stoneage Farming course by Alanna Moore, but she came here to do much of her research. We had a very pleasant week showing her and Tom Graves around the activity in this area and measuring the fields of various Tower designs. We also looked at energy centres known to traditional Aboriginals. At my request, Tom dug out the slides he used as a basis of his magnificent drawings in Needles of Stone. We had several evenings at Dean and Lesley Gentlin's, with shared meals of our best produce and watching Tom's slides. In my trip to England and Cornwall, I visited many of the Megalithic Sites and could take my own measurements of the energy fields. I found them just as Tom stated in the book. I am now able to use this knowledge when examining and recording ancient Aboriginal Sites. I have four days of that this coming week, while we plan a major recording program, which involve bring the Tribal Elders down from the desert and a team of us working over as long as several years to got through the whole project, in amongst other commitments. Have you read her book on the subject? Gil Liz Davis wrote: Thanks Lloyd and Tony, appreciate your feed back. Know what you mean Lloyd by jumping through the hoops, just don't want to do that anymore. Bad hoop jumper. I will locate a fax # in the next few days. Tony those were exactly the sort of breakdowns I'm looking for, thanks. I've got all the calculations, just don't want to work from an incitec brochure. Thanks for the further reading, my 4 month summer break will be full of such reading. Whilst here, have any of you attended a Stoneage Farming course by Alanna Moore? Have a chance to go to one in Mudgee in Nov, sounds interesting. Feeding 620 tonight so I'm off to the kitchen now. LL Liz on 19/10/02 4:47 AM, Rambler Flowers LTD at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 8:27 AM Subject: Organic Inputs Hi all Was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction for some info needed for an exam. It's a soil exam and I'm s tired of costing out their NPK, understandable they want their land managers to know how to calculate amounts, but their fertilisers are not something I want to work with. Therefore I need % breakdowns of constituents for this exercise. I realise this may be difficult to apply to BD, but other organic inputs would work well. If anyone knows where I can get such breakdowns I'd like to follow through this exam as ecologically as possible. Thanks for your time LL Liz Hi Liz This is what I use on for an intensive flower growing operation. Fish 6-5-5 N.P.K Seaweed. 1.5 -.5- 2.5 Feldspar0 - 0 - 9 Horse .7 -.2 -.4 Poultry 1.3 - .7 - .7 Cow.5-0.3-0.7 Blood and Bone meal 7-7-0 Rock dust0-0.52-1.1 - Mg 5.9- Na 2.2Trace elements PHosphate soft 0-2-0 Greensand [glauconite] 7%K The products i use in Non toxic CEC soil balancing Calcium 36% Gypsum 23% Ca 18% S Calcium Nitrate 15-0-0-19Ca Sulphate Potash 0-0-50 Sulphate Ammonia 21-0-0-24S Do you want the formula for Fertiliser Requirement Calculations using Base Saturation Data Some of these values do change a point or two depending on what book you are reading. If you get a chance read the following books For further research read Non_Toxic Farming Handbook by Philip Wheeler and Ronald Ward. Science in Agriculture by Arden Anderson Farming in the 21st Century by Dan Skow Source of books Acres USA web site http://www.acresusa.com Best wishes with your exams Cheers Tony Robinson
Re: Rainmaking in Santa Fe
Dear List Folk, I adjunct to the below we have been working with the question of the elemental and the elementary beings. Appart from the Salamanders, Warmth beings they have no ego so need some direction. When none is forthcomming from the "good" beings they can become influenced by the "adversary" beings and thus the Gnomes can become frost giants, the Undines create floods, Sylphs, wind storms and negleted Salamanders fire storms. So in careing for our environment we need to concern ourselves lovingly with with the nature beings. They need our attention as much as we need theirs. While only four groups are mentioned here those who see them remind us that for every element there is an elemental being, and for every thought. This is indeed an interesting study. I find them very helpful and only have to ask for rain when it is needed, not just by me but the plants and animals in our environment. I hope you get a great hearing at you seminar Hugh and Lorraine. Best Wishes, Peter. - Original Message - From: Hugh Lovel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 17, 2002 2:55 PM Subject: Rainmaking in Santa Fe
Re: Organic Inputs
- Original Message - From: Liz Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 19, 2002 5:54 AM Subject: Re: Organic Inputs Thanks Lloyd and Tony, appreciate your feed back. Know what you mean Lloyd by jumping through the hoops, just don't want to do that anymore. Bad hoop jumper. Yeah me too I got sick of it !! I will locate a fax # in the next few days. Tony those were exactly the sort of breakdowns I'm looking for, thanks. I've got all the calculations, just don't want to work from an incitec brochure. Thanks for the further reading, my 4 month summer break will be full of such reading. Whilst here, have any of you attended a Stoneage Farming course by Alanna Moore? Have a chance to go to one in Mudgee in Nov, sounds interesting. Hi Liz We had Alanna Moore here last year for a one day course - it was interesting - 14 mostly non dowsing, more or less conventional farmers, had a great day, we put up a paramagnetic tower in the yard. I would say go, it wont be all that expensive, and you will have a good time. Lloyd Charles
Re: Nutrient blockers
- you could try calcium lignosulfonate Lloyd Charles Hi Lloyd what is calcium lignosulfonate? please. I need to boost my sulphate levels to suck up surplus cations especially Mg This sound interesting. Thankyou Tony NZ Hi Tony I have not used it so am shooting in the dark a bit - its a chelated liquid calcium (not liquid lime) and is an allowable organic input - much more expensive and lower calcium than clacium nitrate - I have suggested it would be worth trying by certified organic producers as a weed suppressant with molasses which is how we are using calcium nitrate (and getting good results). This is the sort of situation where the constraints of certification are often counter productive - but I realise there need to be rules and rules must be easily interpreted and simple to enforce or they dont work! The small amount of calcium nitrate we use (2 to 4 kg / ha / year ) enhances the growth and quality of our crops and improves soil conditions for the microbes, has almost eliminated broadleaf weeds in the early crop growth stage and has depressed the growth of ryegrass to the stage that we can keep it down with follow up foliar nutrition in most cases. If calcium lignosulfonate would get a similar result for a certified grower it would be a major gain for organic grain farmers!! Cheers Lloyd Charles
