Re: chickens

2002-11-22 Thread Gil Robertson

Answer, eradicate animal protectionists and bring back the fur trade.

Leigh Hauter wrote:

 Allan wrote-
 I'd love to find a cure for foxes!

 The answer -a  Great Pyrenees




Re: hey look at this

2002-11-22 Thread James Hedley
Dear Lloyd,
It will be great to see how your experiment works out. No rain to talk of in
the last front. Most of the mountain got under 2mm but we got 12 mm which
dried up within 1/2 an hour of the sun coming out. Did you get any?
Regards
James
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From: Lloyd Charles [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 11:18 AM
Subject: Re: hey look at this



 Thought some of you may be pleased that this crotchety ole, broadcaster
 addicted, non conformist - - - - - - - - !

 Has finally attempted to do some proper BD
 We made a compost pile (WITH PREPS) and two BC pits last sunday - there
was
 a mob of cows camped in our lane for a week - the gal that owns them is a
 cranky old thing but she loves those cows and has nursed them around the
 roads and backlanes for nine months of the drought, nice quiet cows with
 calves at foot, grazing on native pasture (dry grass at this stage), we
got
 a trailer load of fresh dung the day they left - its an experiment - I
 guessed that the cattle had not been drenched or dipped for several months
 at least, probably not since they went on the road  (there would have been
 no need of it) - our roadsides dont get sprayed much (nil in the last 18
 months) - the compost pile is heating up nice already - so its looking ok
 for a start.
 The BC pits are the experiment - I've not made it before - did one pit
with
 physical preps from the BD association (which were old but looked ok) but
 also stirred into the manure a set of radionically potentised preps - and
 seeing we had manure left we put another pit down using radionic preps
only,
 stirred in and also inserted like you do with the proper preps. I guess
 there are several possible results
 1 the preps were too old , radionics wont help , nothing will happen
 2 the preps were old but ok , radionics wont help, we get one BC pit and
 some compost.
 3 everything turns out real nice, there's very little difference between
the
 two BC pits, and we have the start of a new idea. My energy and intent (of
 course) is focussed on number three

 Win, loose or draw, I will post the results of this on the list when its
 completed, (probably been done a dozen times already!)
 Cheers all
 Lloyd Charles







Vandana Shiva - In Praise Of Cowdung

2002-11-22 Thread Philip Owen








From:
http://www.zmag.org 



ZNet
Commentary

In
Praise Of Cowdung November 15, 2002

By
Vandana Shiva



In
India
we worship cow dung as Lakshmi, the goddess of
wealth. Gobur-dhan puja is
literally the worship of gobur (cowdung)
dhan (wealth).



Cow
dung is worshipped because it is the source of renewal of soil fertility and
hence the sustainability of human society.
The cow has been made sacred in India
because it is a keystone species for agro-ecosystems -- it is key to the sustainability of agriculture.



When
Monsanto and biotech industry spokesmen parading as farmers
presented me with cow dung at the WSSD in Johannesburg,
I accepted their award as a tribute to organic farming and
sustainable agriculture.



The
small farmers convergence at the W.S.S.D. with farmers
from across Africa
rejected GMO's, and chemicals and committed
themselves to organic farming, and defense of farmers rights. They are freely
choosing seeds they can save and technologies that are sustainable. Farmers organizations in India
and in Africa
are saying no to GMO's on the basis of
their freedom to choose to be organic which means being free of genetic
contamination that results from GM crops. Genetic contamination robs farmers of
their freedom to be GM free. Patients and intellectual property rights on seed
rob farmers of their freedom to save, exchange, develop seed. Farmers are
treated as thieves and criminals for exercising farmers rights. The worst example is that of Parcy Schmeiser whose canola
fields were contaminated by Monsanto's GM canola and he was sued for
theft of genes. That is why those of us who farm organically and
want to maintain our freedom to farm and uphold farmers
rights are resisting the irresponsible corporations which are trying to own
life on earth, including seed, contaminate our crops and food and have total
control over farming and farmers.



GM
seeds and chemicals are a threat to farmers survival,
a threat to consumer health and a threat to the environment. Farmers in Punjab
and Andhra Pradesh are committing suicides because the costly seeds and chemicals from
corporations like Monsanto/Mahyco have pushed them
into deep, unpayable debt.



The
claims of Monsanto and its apologists like Swaminathan
Iyer (who called me a Green Killer in the
Times of India on 22nd Sept 2002, because I practise
and promote organic farming) that GM can feed the world is totally false.
Monsanto's Bt cotton has failed across India
in its first year of commercial planting. In Khargone
in Madhya Pradesh Bt is a 100% failure and farmers are demanding compensation.
In Maharastra, the Bt crop
has failed on 30,000 hec and farmers are asking for Rs. 500 crore compensation. In Gujarat,
in Bhavnagar,
Surendranagar and Rajkot Bt
cotton has been destroyed by a heavy infestation of bollworm, the pest for
whose control the toxin producing Bt. gene has been engineered into cotton. The
genetically engineered Bt cotton is not a miracle, it
is a fraud on farmers.



In
Rajasthan, the hybrid corn which Monsanto claims will give 20 -- 50 quintals
per acre is giving 1.5 to 1.7 quintals per acre while demanding intensive water
and chemical use, aggravating the draught and famine.



The
pseudo scientific claims of irresponsible biotech corporations like Monsanto
are killing our farmers, our agriculture, our
biodiversity.



Organic
agriculture is increasing farm productivity by 2 to 3 times, increasing farmers incomes, and protecting public health and the
environment. That is why the Time Magazine identified Navdanya
as a pioneer for the new century and stated that In India
atleast, Navdanya sets an
eco-friendly standard that agribusiness must show it can out perform. The
challenge for genetic engineers is to create seeds adapted to particular
locales that enable farmers to reduce, not increase, the use of chemicals
(Time, Aug 26, 2002, Seeds of self Reliance, p 36)



Monsanto
and its lobbyists profit by selling and promoting poisonous, toxic seeds and
corporate control. Movements like Navdanya celebrate biodiversity, farmers
freedom and cow dung. The corporations
and corporate spokespeople are getting desperate because people are seeing
through their lies and deceptions. With
organic farming growing worldwide, and the failures and non-sustainability of
genetic engineering and chemical engineering becoming evident, the chemical
corporate lobby is getting desperate. I
view their personal assaults on me as a symptom of the desperation caused by
the failure of non-sustainable industrial, corporate agriculture in removing
hunger or improving farmers livelihoods. Sustainable
systems are growing because they offer real solutions to the hunger and poverty
crisis. And cow dung, biomass and
biodiversity are at the heart of sustainability and the non-violent organic alternative
to genetic engineering and chemicals.



Ecologically
the cow has been central to Indian civilization. Both materially an conceptually the world of Indian 

Re: was Thanks now Eco Ag

2002-11-22 Thread Teresa Seed








From: Contactos Mundiales [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Me too, if you'd be so kind?

Teresa Seed



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Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 15:51:39 -0500

Dear Liz:

Could you please send detailed information about this external course on
Eco Agriculture?

Thanks a lot and best regards,

Luis R. Calzadilla



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Fwd: ANYONE CAN DO IT

2002-11-22 Thread Allan Balliett
Forwarded from Will Winter

Having once beaten Thich Nhat Hanh in a fair fight, I later realized 
that the loss was entirely my own. Once calling Thich Nhat Hanh 'a 
coyote' in a public place, raising much outspoken ire in others, I 
came to find out from one of his teachers years later  that Thich 
Nhat Hanh himself had very much enjoyed the image my rage had 
momentarily raised and was never disturbed by my inappropriate 
accusation.

Enjoy.

-AB

Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2002 21:43:07 -0600
Subject: ANYONE CAN DO IT
From: Will Winter [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: undisclosed-recipients:;



Looking at Your Empty Plate:
My plate, empty now,
will soon be filled
with precious food.

Looking at Your Full Plate:
   In this food,
   I see clearly the presence
   of the entire universe
   supporting my existence.

Contemplating Your Food:
   This plate of food,
so fragrant and appetizing,
also contains much suffering.

Beginning to Eat:
With the first taste, I promise to offer joy.
With the second, I promise to help relieve
   the suffering of others.
With the third, I promise to see other's joy
   as my own.
 With the fourth, I promise to learn the way
   of non-attachment and equanimity.

Finishing Your Meal:
The plate is empty.
My hunger is satisfied.
 I vow to live
for the benefit of all beings.

Washing the Dishes:
Washing the dishes
 is like bathing a baby Buddha.
 The profane is the sacred.
 Everyday mind is Buddha's mind.

  Thich Nhat Hanh
  





Re: Macari Vineyard (?)

2002-11-22 Thread Allan Balliett
Looks like you've done a lot of good, hard work, Steve.

I'm not sure what you were saying about not having enough help for 
spraying. Do you mean, aside from CT applications, spraying chemicals 
for pests?

I'm very curious about the measureable results of your efforts. For 
example, what do your soil tests look like? Where's your organic 
matter at?

How is it that you're getting away from herbicide useage?

Have you experimented with peppers there for pest control? To what success?

Thanks. I'm asking these questions for others who are interested in 
dedicating some start up vineyard acreage to bd practice.

-Allan



Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps

2002-11-22 Thread SBruno75
We should request that the agencies involved take a closer look at the use of 
chemicals at the same time they are examing the tea issue.  Have them look at 
residuals and food quality as well as the effects on groundwater...sstorch
In a message dated 11/13/02 9:54:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 David, I brought this up to our National Organic/Biodynamic Production

Standards committee (Australia)and they have spoken with the CSIRO re

research into this issue. David Matthews is an Ex Vet and knows all about

this stuff, and has mates in the right places.  Now we have to look at

research funding, especially trying to get the Organic levies outof the

non-organic sphere. But fear not, it is being taken seriously and wheels are

in motion.

I really appreciate the discussion happening on BDNow to help this issue

along.


Cheryl Kemp

Education and Workshop Coordinator

Biodynamic AgriCulture Australia

Phone /Fax : 02 6657 5322

Home: 02 6657 5306

email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

web: www.biodynamics.net.au


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From: D  S Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 5:50 PM

Subject: Re: Search for results of Elaine's testing of bd preps



 Hugh: I think that Frank has a valid point. Obviously poorly made compost

 tea can contain E.coli, the question is how do we stop it happening?

 Perceptions are everything, if it can be traced that someone got ill from

 compost tea then there are legions of highly paid people who will push the

 perception, right or wrong, that all compost tea is bad. No amount of

 huffing and puffing will change the perception once instigated, rumour and

 innuendo is the way that chemical companies fight and there's plenty of

 suckers out there willing to listen to them.

 Ideas anyone? 




Re: What is Magic?

2002-11-22 Thread Jack Wendell

- Original Message -
From: Hugh Lovel [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2002 7:16 PM
Subject: Re: What is Magic?




 So sandy land can be good, even though I'd prefer clay. I bet you could
 grow good potatoes on your sand anyway.

if anyone can put together a class, I'd like to see at least 30
 attendees and go two days. I want to make $2,000 out of it, so with the
 hall and some catering, that comes to close to $100 per attendee.

 One of the frustrations I feel is that most people are so plugged into
 advertising and the pictures and totally engineered sales pitches in the
 major farm magazines. The picture looks so cool to have lemons
wall-to-wall
 all bushy and green. But what is the point? Growing foliage or fruit? It's
 all so deceptive. The corn you showed me from in the past compared to the
 recent higher quality shows the true story, while, as you say the elevator
 doesn't pay any extra for the quality. That's pretty discouraging, knowing
 that if you grow responsibly you don't get(m)any breaks.
 I 'm going to have to plant the usual hybrids to see what kind of yields I
 can really get with them in terms of bushels, but that rankles because my
 main interest is quality, rather than quantity. They aren't the best corn
 strains.

 This leaves us at no winning development, does it not? But it is a win to
 KNOW we can do a different agriculture with homeopathics and radionics,
 despite the fact that the market doesn't give us much advantage. Our
slight
 advantage is that we know we can  get our nitrogen out of the air and can
 make rain in timely fashion.

 I hope it's enough.

 Best,
 Hugh


Hi Hugh-

Just a couple comments from your earlier reply.  We know that sand is a
difficult soil to work with and very easy to destroy.  We've done that.  But
it also seems to be soil that really responds fast with some better
treatment.  As far as production on this soil it has really responded and we
do feel that the production is better quality-excellent test weights, good
storability, etc, and yes it is frustrating that the market does not care.
That has led us back to bringing cattle on the farm.  We intend to learn to
put as much standing feed through our animals as we can.  That includes
planting oats as a green manure crop early in March and grazing before corn
planting in May, grazing on cover crops planted behind wheat harvest,
grazing some standing corn etc, etc.  This system looks like it combines
many good things.  It can utilize green manure crops for both weed control
and soil improvement as well as providing feed for cattle while they in turn
are providing manure for the soils.  And we are tending to view this place
as a feed farm instead of a cash grain operation.  Our conventional system
in place of growing the grain, harvesting it, hauling to bins, storing,
putting back into a truck, hauling to cattle feedlots, putting in their bin,
putting into feed truck and feeding it, going in and scraping up the poor
quality feedlot manure and adding more energy to compost it (in the rare few
feedlots that try and do something with their manure) then putting it back
into a truck and taking back to the farm to put into a spreader to put back
on the field is totally insane.  We are slow learners in this process of
changing our thinking but it has become glaringly obvious that the cattle
are a necessarey tool and hopefully if done right a profit center here.  I
know big money has a hold on the cattle market as well, but the numbers we
run show us it can have potential if pursued carefully and is a huge asset
in the soil builing process.  We plant no GMO varieties, and have focused on
running age pregnant cows that were very thin and destined for the hamburger
market.  Easy to do this year due to the drought-many folks were culling
cows that would never been culled because they had no feed.  These girls
have lots of experience in calving and have come here onto our scrap feed
(cornstalks, triticale in wheat stubble, alfalfa fields after freeze, etc)
and look terrific.  And they have left us the blessing of much manure.  So
we can't just focus on what the market does or doesn't offer.  There is
always always opportunity.
As far as the rainmaking part, we are very intrigued.  We have talked
very seriously about getting it worked out to have you come out.  Our area
is very very dry.  It is drier now than in the 30's dustbowl.  Just wanted
you to know we are thinking of it.  We are off to visit Lloyd Charles in
Australia (how exciting!) and will be gone for alot of December.  Just
wanted you to know we are considering ways to have you out.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Michelle Wendell





Fwd: [compost_tea] CT in The Washington Post

2002-11-22 Thread Allan Balliett
Thanks to Jeff on the CT list, here's the article that resulted from 
the long interview with Elaine Ingham during the lunch at Blue Ridge 
Center on Saturday at the BIODYNAMIC CONFERENCE this past October. 
Note how the conference, the garden, etc, have been written out of 
the story! Maybe Rodale owns the Post!!





 A Cuppa Made of Compost

 By Adrian Higgins
 In a Virginia field, 50 organic gardeners gather around Elaine Ingham for
what is likely to be the weirdest cooking demonstration they have ever seen.

  Ingham's dark, bubbling brew is not from the garden but rather for the
garden. Into a 35-gallon kettle of water she has thrown measured amounts of
dried seaweed and an inky liquid called humic acid.

  We have got loads of good stuff going into the mix, she says, filling a
nylon sock with screened compost and earthworm castings. Soon, this tea
bag is submerged in the water and bombarded by bubbles produced by an air
pump.

  This is neither high cuisine nor dark sorcery, but the latest innovation
in the world of organic gardening and farming.

  Liquid fertilizers made from manures and compost have been around for
centuries. What's new are the bubbling technique and specific ingredients,
which cause the growth of beneficial microbes that displace and even go
after all the bad spores and germs that prey on and kill plants.

  Spray the tonic on the leaves, and the bad bugs have nowhere to land, say
advocates. Pour it on the soil, and you form a protective barrier for the
root zones.

  Enthusiasts say that when used repeatedly, the tonic revitalizes soil and
allows the cultivation of plants without the need for chemical fertilizers
and pesticides.

  Among the testimonials: roses that never get black spot; thick, green
turfgrass; ornamentals of amazing vigor and health -- all without the use of
environmentally harmful chemical fertilizers and pesticides. Organic farmers
are using the tea to repair strawberry fields rendered lifeless by toxic
fumigants. Growers of crops such as potatoes have seen greater yields using
no chemicals. Some are even spraying it from crop dusters, said Ingham, a
soil scientist and consultant to organic farmers. She heads a laboratory
named Soil Foodweb Inc., based in Corvallis, Ore. An early pioneer of the
technology, she is regarded as a leading light in organic gardening and
farming circles.

  Not everybody is convinced.

  I have a lot of colleagues rather concerned about the hype, said Linda
Chalker-Scott, an associate professor at the Center for Urban Horticulture
at the University of Washington. We are all waiting for the science behind
the claims.

  Ingham and other scientists who advocate the product say lab tests reveal
three basic beneficial aspects of compost tea: plant nutrients;
biostimulants such as enzymes and amino acids; and beneficial bacteria,
fungi and nematodes (wormlike animals) that suppress disease and may also
fight plant pests.

  Chalker-Scott said Ingham is an extremely good soil scientist, but her
data have not yet been subjected to sufficient review by other scientists.
One of the problems, said Chalker-Scott, is that every batch of compost tea
seems to produce different results, making it difficult to conduct more
definitive studies that might isolate the merits of one microbe over
another.

 Another concern is that the brewer might inadvertently create a brew
containing E. coli bacteria. Ingham says this is a valid concern but only if
correct steps are not observed. Any compost containing animal manures should
be thoroughly composted at 130 degrees for 10 days.

 Even then, the gardener should make sure that the brew remains aerobic and,
in summer months, reduce the level of molasses to a teaspoon, she said.

 Alternatively, use compost not made with animal manures or use the
earthworm castings, she said. They are sold in bags at garden centers.

 If the scientists are squabbling, gardeners, farmers and manufacturers of
equipment and supplies are forging ahead.

  When it comes to to things in organic farming, in general the farmers
tend to be quite a few years ahead of the scientists, said Steve Diver, an
agricultural specialist with Appropriate Technology Transfer for Rural
Areas, a nonprofit funded by the U.S. Department of Agriculture that
provides technical advice to small farmers.

  He said the compost teas have yielded remarkable results. When it was used
on a field of bell peppers succumbing to viral disease, usually a death
knell in the vegetable garden, it not only stopped the virus in its tracks
but also allowed infected plants to recover. This is absolutely
mind-boggling that an organic approach was able to arrest a virus and get
the crop to grow out, he said.

  Diver said if you were to look at a leaf through a microscopic hand lens
you would see hairs so thick that they resemble a jungle. By coating all
those surfaces with compost tea, the good microbes provide a barrier to any
bad ones that want to feed on the plant. 

Re: Macari Vineyard (?)

2002-11-22 Thread SBruno75

In a message dated 11/22/02 9:43:05 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Looks like you've done a lot of good, hard work, Steve.

I'm not sure what you were saying about not having enough help for 
spraying. Do you mean, aside from CT applications, spraying chemicals 
for pests?
I mean about good, competent, take control  [not just a paycheck] kind of 
help.   A licensed, vineyard manager with  an applicators license.  The tea 
is handled, we do that with some kids who learned to drive the tractors.


I'm very curious about the measureable results of your efforts. For 
example, what do your soil tests look like? Where's your organic 
matter at?  
Organic matter has been slightly altered by compost applications.   A great 
visual is colloids showing up when we hill up for weed control.  We are also 
seeing earthworm activity in  a sandy loam soil where there was none before.

How is it that you're getting away from herbicide useage?
We use hilling equipment and a Clements to knock the hills down with the 
weeds.
The hoe is also a great tool with a good [wo]man attached to it.

Have you experimented with peppers there for pest control? To what success?
Have not done much work with peppers, have had moderate success with the milk 
and honey spray. 

Thanks. I'm asking these questions for others who are interested in 
dedicating some start up vineyard acreage to bd practice. 
Am I coming down to talk about compost teas etc for this??? Are you coming to 
Lancaster the 28-29 January for the viticulture workshop???
cheers, sstorch




Re: was Thanks now Eco Ag

2002-11-22 Thread Liz Davis
Hi Teresa

Try the uni's web site at  www.oac.usyd.edu.au/
if you can't find what you are looking for there, let me know and I'll
personally chase up your queries.  The course leader is Kerry Cochrane.

LL
Liz


on 22/11/02 10:34 PM, Teresa Seed at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Me too, if you'd be so kind?
 
 Teresa Seed
 
 




The New Convergence - 12/02 Wired Magazine

2002-11-22 Thread Richard Kalin
Not trained in philosophy, I found Don Cruse's essay, Critical Thought and
Monist Causality tough to read, but it was well worth the effort. Then Jane
Sherry said that according to the Mayan calendar, we only have 10 years left
to bring together the material and the spiritual. It was encouraging after
all that to read this cover article in the latest Wired magazine.

Richard Kalin
Hollis NH

---

Wired Magazine- Issue 10.12 - December 2002

The New Convergence

By Gregg Easterbrook

The ancient covenant is in pieces: Man knows at last that he is alone in the
universe's unfeeling immensity, out of which he emerged only by chance. So
pronounced the Nobel Prize-winning French biologist Jacques Monod in his
1970 treatise Chance and Necessity, which maintained that God had been
utterly refuted by science. The divine is fiction, faith is hokum, existence
is a matter of heartless probability - and this wasn't just speculation,
Monod maintained, but proven. The essay, which had tremendous influence on
the intellectual world, seemed to conclude a millennia-old debate. Theology
was in retreat, unable to explain away Darwin's observations; intellectual
approval was flowing to thinkers such as the Nobel-winning physicist Steven
Weinberg, who in 1977 pronounced, The more the universe seems
comprehensible, the more it also seems pointless. In 1981, the National
Academy of Sciences declared, Religion and science are separate and
mutually exclusive realms of human thought. Case closed.

And now reopened. In recent years, Allan Sandage, one of the world's leading
astronomers, has declared that the big bang can be understood only as a
miracle. Charles Townes, a Nobel-winning physicist and coinventor of the
laser, has said that discoveries of physics seem to reflect intelligence at
work in natural law. Biologist Christian de Duve, also a Nobel winner,
points out that science argues neither for nor against the existence of a
deity: There is no sense in which atheism is enforced or established by
science. And biologist Francis Collins, director of the National Human
Genome Research Institute, insists that a lot of scientists really don't
know what they are missing by not exploring their spiritual feelings.

Ever so gingerly, science has been backing away from its case-closed
attitude toward the transcendent unknown. Conferences that bring together
theologians and physicists are hot, recently taking place at Harvard, the
Smithsonian, and other big-deal institutions. The American Association for
the Advancement of Science now sponsors a Dialogue on Science, Ethics, and
Religion. Science luminaries who in the '70s shrugged at faith as
gobbledygook - including E. O. Wilson and the late Stephen Jay Gould and
Carl Sagan - have endorsed some form of reconciliation between science and
religion.

Why the renewed scientific interest in spiritual thinking? One reason is the
cyclical nature of intellectual fashions. In philosophy, metaphysics is
making a comeback after decades ruled by positivism and analytical theory of
language. These restrained, empirically based ideas have run their course;
now the pendulum is swinging toward the grand vision of metaphysics -
someday, surely, to swing away again. Similarly in science, the pure
materialistic view that reigned through the 20th century, holding that
everything has a natural explanation, couldn't keep other viewpoints at bay
forever. The age-old notion that there is more to existence than meets the
eye suddenly looks like fresh thinking again.

Meanwhile, decades of inconclusive inquiry have left the
science-has-all-the-answers script in tatters. As recently as the '70s,
intellectuals assumed that hard science was on track to resolve the two
Really Big Questions: why life exists and how the universe began. What's
more, both Really Big Answers were assumed to involve strictly deterministic
forces. But things haven't worked out that way. Instead, the more scientists
have learned, the more mysterious the Really Big Questions have become.

Perhaps someday researchers will find wholly natural explanations for life
and the cosmos. For the moment, though, discoveries about these two subjects
are inspiring awe and wonder, and many scientists are reaching out to
spiritual thinkers to help them comprehend what they're learning. And as the
era of biotechnology dawns, scientists realize they're stepping into
territory best navigated with the aid of philosophers and theologians. We
are entering the greatest era of science-religion fusion since the
Enlightenment last attempted to reconcile the two, three centuries ago.

Look up into the night sky and scan for the edge of the cosmos. You won't
find it - nobody has yet. Instruments such as the Hubble Space Telescope's
deep-field scanner have detected at least 50 billion galaxies, and every
time the equipment is improved, more galaxies farther away come into focus.
Space may be infinite - not merely vast, but infinite - encompassing an

Re: ANYONE CAN DO IT

2002-11-22 Thread Jane Sherry
Ok, I'm game, thanks for the cool piece by TNH, but now will you share YOUR
story for our edification? I am having trouble getting my mind around TNH as
coyote...

JS

 From: Allan Balliett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2002 09:10:46 -0500
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Fwd: ANYONE CAN DO IT
 
 Having once beaten Thich Nhat Hanh in a fair fight, I later realized
 that the loss was entirely my own. Once calling Thich Nhat Hanh 'a
 coyote' in a public place, raising much outspoken ire in others, I
 came to find out from one of his teachers years later  that Thich
 Nhat Hanh himself had very much enjoyed the image my rage had
 momentarily raised and was never disturbed by my inappropriate
 accusation.
 
 Enjoy.
 
 -AB




Re: chickens

2002-11-22 Thread Moen Creek
I also concur that chickens are the greatest.
How the old blues song go.
c is how you begin
h is for what you've heard
i the next letter in
c is for the bird
k is the filling in
e is near the
n
and that's the way you spell chicken

Yes the reds are great birds. Friendly moderate intelligence.
Good tasting roasters. Old Sven was hawked-alized this year.
He was six. A number of years back he flew out of the chicken yard crossed
the road and came to the kitchen door to get me, in the dark mind you,
because a coon had managed to get through the electric fence. He was a great
bird but a poor lover - he'd stand on the hen looking to see who was next.
We lost big Bertha this year also. She was the big hen Linda could pick-up
for kids to pet.
Goldy the Buff Orpington is getting better at it. They are also very
friendly.  

I will plug having many heritage breeds, yes one needs to do ones part in
keeping a good breed going locally. But that only takes one roaster and 5 -
6 of those hens.
The variety are fun and great for the public to comprehend the vastness of
agri Culture.

For good press some polish babes are a must.
Our Silver Crested Polish, Sarafiena has her picture in a national art book
Back Roads of Wisconsin and prime bit of film on the local tube and just
recently center page in a Wisconsin ag mag Agraview - (we had a very nice
pic of ourselves in the full page spread and a small paragraph on BD.) She
is one of the smartest animals I have ever meet. When she was 4 weeks old
she learned  eventualy taught a group of fellow chicks that if they
listened for the snap of the electric mesh fence the had 59.5 sec to run
through! 

Stay a way from the Iowa Blues unless you like though cockerrooses.
When we butchered the roasters I joke their gonads would be bigger then
their hearts - They Where!

We had a pair of Speckled English Sussexxs gals who thought they'd go wild.
The first one came home with 6 inches of snow. The second waited for the
blizzard and had to swim to the road cut.

We feed mainly whole grain. 2/3 wheat. It's at good price and generaly in
better condition then barley which tends to have greater fungal infections.
The barley I soak for a day and drain a bit and pour it in a plastic sled.
The gals tend it till it is just to their liking and eat it up. I do this
outside in warm weather, in the coop in winter. The wheat they eat readily
strait. 

I feed meat and fat scraps weekly - more in the winter. Pumpkins all winter,
with some nettles and confrey with hay. When they are laying heavy some
Highland hamburger - I make $3 a dozen on the eggs.
Yes more fresh greens from the co-op waste bin in the winter make huge
difference.

In Love  Light
Markess 




Re: What is Magic?

2002-11-22 Thread James Hedley
Dear Lloyd,
A visit to Australia by Hugh to show us how he fixes Nitrogen from the air
would be a worthwhile thing, without anything else that we may be able to
learn from being with him.

KNOW we can do a different agriculture with homeopathics and radionics,
  despite the fact that the market doesn't give us much advantage. Our
 slight
  advantage is that we know we can  get our nitrogen out of the air and
can
  make rain in timely fashion.
Of course the ability to make rain, whenever it is needed, would be
worthwhile attending just to see how Hugh can make rain whenever he needs
it.
In the meantime we shall just have to battle along and take what the gods
give us.
Kind regards
James






Re: Droughts and rainmaking

2002-11-22 Thread James Hedley
Dear Lloyd,
That certainly would be something to break the drought over eastern
Australia wouldn't it. Just a quick note on rainmaking.
When that front was moving through NSW during the last AGM and you asked
that everyone should hold their focus on making rain. Well everybody held
their focus on what was wanted.
It was a great result. It didn't stop raining in Ballina for weeks
afterwards.
If 100 people can break the drought around Ballina I'm sure that if we get
our order right it may just be possible to squeeze a litle bit of juice out
of the gods. It could be an Association venture organised by Cheryl. It
should not be too hard to muster up a couple of hundred members to hold a
particular thought for rain over Eastern Australia at the same time.. Maybe
we could create the rain that we all need.
It seems that there is some correlation between what happens in the northern
hemisphere and what happens down under. seems as if it is not that long ago
that our friends in the central portion of the USA were having their own
problems with drought and high temperatures.
James




Anionic water

2002-11-22 Thread Hugh Lovel

An introduction to why we should drink anionic water-By Hugh Lovel

Not many people have heard of Dr. Carey Reams' theory of biological ionization. Reams was a self-employed biochemist that 26 years ago lived 30 miles away from me near Cherry Log, Georgia. He taught agricultural classes right up until he died, but he'd also done extensive research into the biochemistry of aging and disease. Dr. Reams found that as people aged they built up a cationic burden of positive charge. This tends to deactivate portions of our DNA so that with age various biological functions tend to fail.
Presumably this is even true of the Earth. Back in its youth there was not so much limestone. The age of limestone deposition followed the age of coal formation. but as lime was acquired from solar fusion, solar flares and the solar wind and deposited as sedimentary layers on the Earth a cationic build-up seems to have occurred. 
Reams tested foods to see which ones might alleviate this cationic imbalance. The only anionic food in hundreds and hundreds tested turned out to be fresh squeezed lemon juice. Since water commonly had a wide variety of cationic minerals in it the only water he found that was essentially cation free was distilled water. So for a while he operated a clinic that monitored fasting on distilled water with a little fresh squeezed lemon juice in it. This went a long ways towards balancing electrical charge, restoring health and arresting aging with many people.
Reams was someone I knew, and I knew some of the people who took his fasting cure. I also had a lifetime association with a father who fasted on water, occasionally with a dash of fresh lemon, and I saw him recover from a couple of rather horrible diseases that way, though he died of pneumonia. The doctor who performed his autopsy questioned me at some length to see if I knew why his heart and arteries were as supple and clean as a three-year-old's, though he was 70. I told him about the water fasts, some of which had lasted as long as 28 days, which is an entire lunar month. However, this was more or less discounted. Most doctors can hardly imagine prescribing fasting. 
The majority of people in our world today know very little about the healthful effects of fasting. Yet on a few occasions I have found health through fasting when all else failed. However, on none of these occasions did I have distilled water and fresh lemon, so I haven't experienced a fast with anionic water. Nevertheless I can see there is good reason to believe Reams was on to something.
However, passing water straight from the city water mains through a cation exchange resin would does not render the water anionic since the ion exchange resin simply substitutes sodium ions for the various other cations in solution. And water distillation results in electronically neutral water having a pH of 7. Now a Japanese scientist by the name of Okumura has discovered a new process involving crumbs of specially treated magnesium that restructure water molecules so that some of the hydrogen, the most fundamental of all cations, bubbles off rending the water left behind as much as a thousand times more anionic. The magnesium crumbs are marketed in the form of a small, inexpensive stick that can be placed in a water container and shaken so that anionic water is produced. This is something I think many people will enjoy trying. --HL
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