Re: Radionics and scientists
Dear Lloyd, Since brix is a measure of dissolved solids in the plant juice, higher brix DOES correlate to lower freezing points. The freezing point of water drops a degree or so for every mole of dissolved solids--I forget the precise figure. Surely Elaine knows this if she reflects on her basic knowledge of chemistry. Best, Hugh Lovel Allan wrote I noticed over and over again that as I asked Mr. York or Mr. Brinton about the effectiveness of one dynamic approach to another - - from Heinz Groetzke's 100% chicken manure tea to radionic application, each of them in their own way and own words asked 'Why would a person need that? There must be something fairly basic that is not right or you wouldn't be looking for something so extreme.' I agree wholeheartedly with getting the basics right first - but cant agree that radionics (or homeopathic use of BDpreps ) is extreme - opposite I would have thought - very subtle ! . I reckon using big licks of compost is extreme, accepting as normal, a quarter or less of commercial yields is extreme, growing plants under more or less continuous moisture stress to induce mineralised fruit is extreme, bombing a vineyard on a regular basis with elemental sulphur seems extreme, using radionics to remove the need for some of these tactics would seem to be pretty worthwhile to me. While I dont agree with the use of radionics to flog a particular brand of product I do agree with Gil that we should take notice of the results gained by professional practicioners after all does Alan York consult for free? Does Brinton do lab testing for free so as to remain unbiased ? I still think too that once someone (anyone) decides that radionics (or anything else) has no place in the system they become quite blind to anything but the most blatantly obvious result. When I posted on brix and frost a few weeks back Elaine Ingham just could not accept the possibility that I may have been right in saying that high brix in the crop sap rendered that crop less prone to frosting - no it was the microbes pure and simple, the critters did it by generating warmth!!, OK I maybe do have the microbes going better than the guy down the road, but I sure as hell know I had brix going way way better, It wouldnt have cost much to consider the possibility. I think these two guys above are a tad biased in their outlook and approach to radionics and (probably) homeopathic preps. These days when I hear prove it . I just say nah! you go look for your self. If the person has an open mind and there's something there they'll see it - if they're open to the possibility and cant see they'll ask to be shown, if they're not open no amount of 'proving' will make the difference!! Cheers all Lloyd Charles Visit our website at: www.unionag.org
electron resonance
Dear Folks, (First, blessings and speedy peace to the poor souls who lost their lives on today's shuttle crash; didn't hear about it till after writing the bulk of this letter) Today a confluence of information on a couple of threads in my private life, came together in a way as to sugest the science behind why foods raised biodynamically, could be curative of many dis-ease conditions. The commonality of the two threads lies in how they both suggest, in diferent ways, that what I'll shorthand-label electron resonance (which, if I understand corectly from what Hugh L. has said and written, is involved in how his field broadcasters, as well as the wondrous Hieronymous machine he brought to Jeff's bd conference last September, work), may hold the key to reversing disease. However, that such a scientific explanation may (likely?) already be available in biodynamic (or perhaps more acurately, quantum) ag circles or literature, does not detract from my excitement at the fact that it looks to me (who is a very uneducated person in matters scientific AND biodynamic) as though both an alternative aproach to curing cancer (the first thread I'll discuss below), and a conventional science research aproach to curing heart, alzheimers, parkinsons, and diabetes problems (the second thread) contain information pointing to electron behavior(/manipulation?) as perhaps key to disease process/treatment (see also, www.reiki.org/reikinews/ScienceMeasures.htm -- thank you Sarah C. for that link given me months ago -- and www.dprins.demon.nl/convergence/9918.html -- thank you Gentle Ox! -- and thank you Allan for the forum where all this info can be exchanged!) Because I am as (science/quantum ag) uneducated as I am, and also because my chronic brainfog from chemical injury has seemed particularly egregious during the writing of this letter, I would apreciate hearing feedback on the below, from the enlightened/clear minds on this list, on whether I'mon the right track. And I hope you'll forgive any lack of clarity due to those and other brain-dulling factors (not least of which, a couple of teeth in their rather painful death-throes). The first thread was that a dear friend of mine's father has colon cancer which he has been treating with conventional (surgery+chemo) means. Recent severe side effects of the treatment have put the guy in the hospital for at least the past couple weeks, which I just learned today will be folowed by a stay in a nursing home hopefuly for just a week or so. Now, some time ago I was handed a tape How to Fight Cancer and Win which was made by a fellow (a beekeeper friend of the people who gave me the tape) whose prostate cancer was substantially reversed (if not cured, I don't remember which, now) by the use of the method described -- a tape filled with testimonials by people with various kinds of cancer who had been cured by it (or put into longterm remission, as documented in their medical records) -- a tape which I described the core info in, by phone to my friend when I first learned of his father's cancer, and then made a copy of and mailed to him in case he thought it warranted being passed on to his father. The cancer-fighting method discused on the tape involved at its kernel, daily eating organic cold-pressed flaxseed oil mixed with cottage cheese. Well, there have been so many snake oil formulas for curing cancer (and other ailments) that one cannot really blame those who -- in a lifetime of exposure to and brainwashing by our medical industrial complex -- might be skeptical that such a simple remedy could posibly work to cure cancer. Such skepticism would naturally lead most people to not consider listening to the tape to be a priority, and aparently that is what hapened with my friend (and with my mother, to whom I also sent a copy of the tape after she was diagnosed with small cell lung cancer, acompanied by a letter summarizing the method and that many had used it with success documented by their medical records, acording to the tape). I, on the other hand, having seen so much in my journey with MCS-CI (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity/Chemical Injury) to indicate that conventional medicine leaves much to be desired, WAS open to listening to the tape as a priority. The testimonials therein, and the fact that no-one making them had anything to gain monetarily by stating their success in their own cancer cases (to my knowledge they did not have a financial stake in flaxseed oil companies or in cottage cheese companies), made suficient impact on me as to the method's likely eficacy, that I imediately started using this combo myself as a preventive measure. (As I understand it, because a MCS/chemically-injured person's liver does not properly process and excrete (detoxify) chemicals, they remain buried (sequestered -- the only other thing the body can
Re: BD Brain Teasers
how does one contact Joe Stevens?
Re: electron resonance
I hope someone on this list more 'in the know' of bd 'therapies' will read the entire thread and start dialog on it.So many people come out with statements that 'this will cure cancer' as well as the other main killers, we all have to be a little sceptical. But flaxseed oil and yogurt or cottage cheese, simple enough that if it didn't send anything into remission, a healthy addition to anyone's diet anyhow. And, if this is a recommendation for heart patients, I'm more than a little miffed it has been hushed up until AFTER I've had my (rather expensive) implant. On the pacemaker itself, there has been a remarkable improvement in my health, I just wish I'd done it years ago. (But I have to wonder what the effects of it on a broadcaster, or the effects of a field broadcaster would have on it.) any comments?
Omega3s
Don't forget, folks, that the reason American's lack Omega 3s in their diets is that animals who do not eat diets of grains in the state of Nature do not produce Omega 3s in confinement agriculture. Animals raised in sunshine, on healthy grass and with access to their natural diet (like bugs for chickens and fish!) produce products that contain Omega3s for humans. (We apparently externalized our Omega3 production, preferring to glean it from the food chain...oop!) Check out the www.eatwild.com pages for more technical info, or attend PASA this year where there will be plenty of talk about how pasture-raised livestock provides for human health requirements. -Allan Balliett recovering vegetarian
York back up, Other Soundfile News
I've reformatted the Alan York interview. It should be MUCH easier to use now. If you are still having trouble, please contact me off-line and we'll work on it. (Please give this a try: it is MUCH better) I've got easily 6 hours in putting the AY piece up. Subsequent posts will be faster, but sound work is a real draw on our resources and the growing season start...TOMORROW!!! (Well, the STARTING season STARTS..) Perry Clutts has offered a tremendous recording of economic biodynamics great, Fred Kirschenmann delivering a lecture at the 14th IFOAM World Conference. The title is 'Growing Communities from the Ground Up.' It is well worth listening to and may contribute depth and heart to further conversations here. I also have Guenther (sp?) Hauk's intro to BD from last week's conference that could go up and Will Brinton's presentation on compost. I have Vickie Bess' Foodweb presentation also. And, of course, Hugh Lovel at ACRES this past year. Fred is next. What does the community want after Fred? Let me know on-line or off-line at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
I'm sure one of the reasons Alan York has never seen anyone radionics is that I have never heard of anyone on the North Coast of California (Napa, Sonoma, Mendocino) who is even playing with radionics. If there is any here using radionics, they are keeping pretty quiet. And sulfer is a way of life out here. Every 10 to 14 days from flowering through veraison. Powdery mildew is a big problem and sulfer is the only Organic method that works reliably. Peter
Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
Allan, I don't see a York fileat http://www.ibiblio.org/biodynamics/ Is that where I should be looking? Perry I've reformatted the Alan York interview. It should be MUCH easier to use now.
Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
The address for the York file is http://www.gardeningforthefuture.com From there, click on the BIODYNAMICS button on the bottom of the page And then click through on the York banner. (Check out the under-progress MABFAFC banner, also!) Perry- Let me know how this works out for you -Allan
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Peter, Am curious if you use a degree day model for knowing when the PM pressure is greatest. Also, do you have good mineral balance in the soil and in the vine? Having good levels of soil/vine calcium, boron, zinc and phosphate (in addition to others) has been a very, very important part of keeping PM under management with my clients/vines. Bob
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Allan, Your question, "Do you know of anyone using compost tea and failing to control powdery mildew?" lacks a critical component to be of most use. How about taking into account the rest of the farm plan. In other words, if you are using compost tea to manage PM, is it the only management step being taken? Is it white grapes or black? What is the environmental pressures? Humid/cool climate? Is there a nearby vineyard (other) that has PM problems? What is the soil/vine health plan and does it address the need for B, Ca, P K and Zn? Why think that using an external (from the top down) application of anything is going to be sufficient to address a problem as complex as PM infection? I never approach PM from the top down, only. There needs to be an integrated approach that includes soil/vine nutrition, cultural controls and additionally topical applications. Where the particular vines are grown are very significant in this question. Are you comfortable/healthy standing in a polar zone? Are you comfortable/healthy standing in the Sahara desert. Likely not. I dont thing that vines planted in the wrong spot (a spot with environment not to the vines liking) are going to be conformable and healthy enough to defend without something as strong as suffer? Most vines that are easy to defend from PM, defend themselves. If you have bad PM, the question is why? Bob PS I still have been unable do get AY presentation off of real player. I get to the real player screen and then nothing works? Must be me. Bob
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Neither Alan nor myself have seen much from radionics. There are significant use of radionics in N. California and I work on jobs where its use has been very well practiced. Maybe its me...I just cant find results...to date. Looking for the wrong thing? Maybe. Bob
Re: electron resonance
field broadcasting might well be focused at ice, crime, poverty, human attitude and rodents in many farming systems, if you really want to help. The plant health and crop qualtiy is easy if you have food and lack of crime. Bob
RE: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Title: Message Yes, we are using a model, but it has not significantly reduced sulfer use as far as I know as the pressure in the North Coast most of the summer is always high. 80 degrees and decent humidity. Peter -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, February 02, 2003 11:32 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt postsPeter, Am curious if you use a degree day model for knowing when the PM pressure is greatest.Also, do you have good mineral balance in the soil and in the vine?Having good levels of soil/vine calcium, boron, zinc and phosphate (in addition to others) has been a very, very important part of keeping PM under management with my clients/vines.Bob
Re: COMPOST TEA was Re: Perry's recnt posts
Allan, Your question, Do you know of anyone using compost tea and failing to control powdery mildew? lacks a critical component to be of most use. Bob - I think you are asking a different question than I'm asking right now. Using compost tea and failing to control disease is not a damnation of CT per se. that's not what I'm getting at, though, I'm simply asking who or what we as a group know on the gross level: Anyone or anyone you know using compost tea on powdery mildew? Is it working or is it not working? After that, your questions would be helpful. -Allan
Re: Perry's recnt posts
Hi, Different in that I'm not using the bucket anymore... I'm using a large tank, making my own Barrel Compost to inoculate the "tea" along with the compost and trying to figure out how to use it on our whole farm, not just in the garden. Perry - You wrote, I'm doing it differently now, but with the sameidea... of low cost. -- different how if you'd care to detail?
Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News
- Original Message - From: Perry Clutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 8:09 AM Subject: Re: York back up, Other Soundfile News Perry asked I was logged on at 24 kbps and the initial buffer took about 5 min. before the sound started. It ran until 3:58 min of the 14 min clip. I waited and wrote a couple of notes, but need to go now, so I don't have time to let it continue to load. Anyhow.. the buffering time is longer than the play time... How about you Lloyd??? 'Bout the same? Yep - connected at 28,800 this morning equipment deficiencies my end as well - machine old, hard drive full, not enough memory, I got about 20 seconds play then about 45 sec buffering , one and a half sentences at a time just not enough to be able to follow it. I think I could live with the slow line if everything else was good! Not Allan's fault anyway. Its a bit strange really, I dont notice a lack of speed with email, I'm on BD now and CT lists and 30 email messages will load while I'm looking around the desk for something to write with but incoming files the size of a floppy disk take ages - we get about 2.5 kbs per second (if we're lucky) on that stuff. Cheers Lloyd Charles
BD Brain Teasers (2)
Scenario: A paddock with a roughly circular dam (open water storage) capacity about 30,000 litres of water. Plenty of life in and around this dam (frogs, reeds,birds, assorted vegetation including grass, thistles, mustard weed, mullein, wild sage) which is fed by a nutrient rich underground stream coming in from the west. Rainfall is less than 12 inches a year. There is an outlet on the eastern 'side' at ground level, aside from a little underground seepage it only runs in times of heavy rain. Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). Nos 2 and 3 were filled 12 Oct 02 immediately after 7,000 litres had been pumped from the dam. There had been no rain, the underground inlet feed was reduced and evaporation was increasing so the water was 'gluggy' to say the least. VR was then 2000. No 2 was potentised the same day as a weed pepper. A manure/molasses based compost tea was started in No 3 mid-November. The tea was finished by 1 Dec and made ready for spraying out on 10 Dec (but was not used). No 4 was filled 10 Dec immediately after another 7,000 litres had been pumped from the dam. There had still not been any rain, the dam level was down, so this water was very thick indeed (VR 2500). The four drums have been standing in the open in very hot conditions with lids fitted to reduce evaporation. Their contents were last looked at 21 Jan 03. Imagine you did the looking - what would you expect to find in terms of water quality, temperature and VR? (VR equates to lifeforce. For comparison purposes: the VR of rainwater falling on the Snowy Mountains is about 1500; of a reasonably fit person first thing after rising but before breakfast, 850; of a weed (african lovegrass), 500; of a growing vegetable (tomato plant), 1500; of a healthy tree (eucalypt, 20 metres), 60,000 (but this includes a 'contained habitat' loading factor). roger
Re: BD Brain Teasers (2)
This is just a game OK? Near the dam are four black plastic 200 litre drums with push-fit lids, all were filled from the dam: No 1 was filled 10 Oct 02 when the dam was full and the water comparatively clear. (Vitality rating (VR) about 1500). No 1 good clean water still - Energy rating 27/36 No 2 as a potentised weed pepper its kaput! activity level against the intended weeds 20/180, general water energy rating 50/180 (needs repotentising to work) No 3 stinky tea - if its been left undisturbed there should be a layer of white mold or similar covering the top - the liquid will be a little 'off' slight vinegary smell, with some anaerobic poop in a layer at the bottom (dont disturb that) - but still usable for the plants on the reserve - ER of plants50/180 plants plus tea 70/180 - No 4 This water is tired but ok ER 50/180 Just a game right!! LCharles
The Dalgety Project
James, the fire is pouring down the properties and backblocks south - south-east of Jindabyne, particularly around Paupong, and of course there has already been a lot of pasture burned out plus most properties are down to a couple of inches of water in their tanks. So the rural lands protection board is opening the Dalgety Travelling Stock Reserve where our project is. There's 300 + cattle going in there Wednesday for at least a month. Hope they like the water! Might even eat the lovegrass!! I'm scheduled to go there tomorrow anyway so I'll do a full photo scan while I'm there.. roger
OT: Smoke Alarm alarming
Hello All, I just found out tonight when our smoke alarm kept beeping after changing the battery then taking it down from the ceiling, that it contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company. Turns out after Curtis did a bit of research on the web, that their are two types of smoke detectors, one with the radioactive material one kind with a photo electric part. You can guess what might happen if such a device were to burn up in a fire. How is it possible that such things can be manufactured for use in the home? Does anyone know anything about these things? Are our landfills, incinerators backyards full of these things decaying and leaking radioactivity along with all the other pollutants? Thanks for any insight into this amazing secret in so many of our homes. Jane Sherry
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
smoke alarm contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company. Turns out after Curtis did a bit of research on the web, that their are two types of smoke detectors, one with the radioactive material one kind with a photo electric part. You can guess what might happen if such a device were to burn up in a fire. How is it possible that such things can be manufactured for use in the home? Does anyone know anything about these things? Are our landfills, incinerators backyards full of these things decaying and leaking radioactivity along with all the other pollutants? Thanks for any insight into this amazing secret in so many of our homes. Hi Jane Arden Andersen showed us a video of John Ott (a time lapse photo hobbyist and retired banker) - he did the photography for Walt Disney pictures - dance of the flowers and cinderella where the coach turned into a pumpkin - anyway he did extensive research on the effects of flouro lights and other energy things and used to carry a smoke alarm around for demonstrations of muscle testing - IN A LEAD LINED BOX- he said on the video thats the only place this thing should be. If you can get hold of this (video) its really interesting - the effects of certain types of fluro lights are a real worry. Try to get hold of this if you can - called 'Exploring the Spectrum' Dr John Ott , also his book Light, Radiation, and You. Cheers Lloyd Charles
OT: Fwd: [ANSWER]: Unite to Fight the Warmakers
Original Message Subject: [ANSWER]: Unite to Fight the Warmakers Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 19:50:02 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A.N.S.W.E.R.) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UNITE TO FIGHT THE WARMAKERS Unable to contend with the historic and constitutional right of the people to control their own government and the direction of their country, the Bush Administration has now launched an assault on the anti-war movement. As the clock ticks down and the administration rushes to wage war against Iraq, it is starting another war here at home against the people of the United States. On January 18 half a million people marched in Washington, D.C. in a true democratic expression of their opposition to an illegal and immoral war of aggression being driven by a tiny few who hold the reigns of military and economic might. Another 200,000 marched in San Francisco. Around the world people in over 35 countries held solidarity demonstrations. Now we are all mobilizing for the February 15/16 mass actions against the war that have been initiated by the European peace movement. The people of conscience who are taking to the streets represent the sentiments of so many millions more. This is a powerful rejection of the Bush administration's attempt to drag us all into war and global conflagration. On January 28, ten days after the historic January 18 march, the Free Congress Foundation, the Center for Security Policy and other ultra-right wing members of the U.S. political establishment, including former officials of the Heritage Foundation and the Reagan administration, began promoting the creation of a new version of the House Un-American Activities Committee to investigate not only the organizers but the demonstrators themselves who came to Washington to protest Bush's march to war. On January 30, the New York Daily News published the Bush administration's latest smear -- a purportedly leaked intelligence report from his Homeland Security department claiming that Iraqi spies came to the U.S. from Canada to carry out the anti-war demonstrations. This first act for Bush's Homeland Security department -- which had officially opened a mere six days earlier -- speaks volumes about what Bush's view of homeland security is: using the power of the government to lie, to discredit, to disrupt and to try to shut down the opposition of the people of the U.S. to his program of violent domination and empire. The Center for Security Policy is a group funded by arms manufacturers and big business who are being given the U.S. taxpayer's money looted from programs that would otherwise fund education, healthcare and jobs in America. The Free Congress Foundation is a haven for extremists so out of step with social justice that they pay staff members who have written that we in the U.S. might be better off if the confederacy had won the civil war, who advocate that the racist Trent Lott should have remained in his leadership position, who push anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and who spoke at a neo-Nazi conference last summer. These groups both work with and are received by the Bush Administration. We call on all people of conscience to rally together and defend our movement for justice and peace. The red-baiting and demonization of certain leading anti-war organizations has one purpose -- to weaken the whole peace movement. PURPOSE OF RED-BAITING: TO STOP COLLECTIVE ACTION AND SILENCE DISSENT These efforts are the apex of a repugnant red-baiting campaign against the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition because of its role as a principal organizer of the mass grassroots movement of opposition to war throughout the United States. It is not only A.N.S.W.E.R. that is the target of these attacks. The Not In Our Name Project (NION) and others who have been organizing for peace have also been subject to virulent red-baiting. The point of the associational red-baiting and smear campaign is to warn all of us who are coming out into the streets, many who have found public voice for the first time and are empowered by the strength of their actions, that what we think we experienced is tainted, that we are dupes of some hidden hand and should go back inside. These are the identical mechanisms that were used by the government to try to destroy the labor movement of the thirties and forties and the civil rights and anti-war movements of the fifties, sixties and seventies. (Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was labeled a communist sympathizer.) All of us who have been involved with the Coalition have been subjected to an intensive associational red-baiting attack that emanates from pro-war supporters. It often gets carried by others who claim to be from the progressive community but who unfortunately are more focused on engaging in sectarian factionalization than, on the eve of war, stopping a needless slaughter. Fortunately, the thousands of people organizing around the
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
The other difficult thing to figure out is the US gov's push to dispose of radioactive waste by putting it into products. This alarm must be an example of this (the good outdoes the bad: radioactive waste is being 'disposed' of). I've heard that the biggest reason for the irradiation push was to use up radioactive waste. Now we are hearing that many of the shells dropped in yugoslovia and Afghanistan were radioacitve, made of old plutonoium ie Throwing our radioactive waste all over someone else's country/// Is this a green-lit fantasy, or is this what's happening?
Re: OT: Smoke Alarm alarming
By far the greater proportion of smoke detectors are the type with the radioactive part. I understand that you need to get it in you lung to do much harm. They are taken back by the resellers in Oz. One should not be burning plastic, so they should not be a risk there. They should not go in the land fill, they should be returned to the recyclers. Gil Jane Sherry wrote: Hello All, I just found out tonight when our smoke alarm kept beeping after changing the battery then taking it down from the ceiling, that it contains a small part with the old radioactive symbol on it and warnings about it containing radioactive material, which if needing repair should be sent to the company.
Re: Smoke Alarm alarming
Allan Balliett wrote: The other difficult thing to figure out is the US gov's push to dispose of radioactive waste by putting it into products. This alarm must be an example of this (the good outdoes the bad: radioactive waste is being 'disposed' of). I've heard that the biggest reason for the irradiation push was to use up radioactive waste. Now we are hearing that many of the shells dropped in yugoslovia and Afghanistan were radioacitve, made of old plutonoium ie Throwing our radioactive waste all over someone else's country/// Is this a green-lit fantasy, or is this what's happening? 'Depleted Uranium' they call it and, Yes, Allan, it's happening. A lot of DU stuff was used in the Kosovo conflict, quite possibly it is being used in bombs and missiles falling on Iraq now in the 'no fly' zone so assiduously defended by the US and the Brits.. Also I am given to understand there are 'No Go' radiation areas in some US and allied cemeteries around the graves of soldiers who have died since being involved in Desert Storm. Of course this is stuff we will rarely if ever read about or see in the mainstream media which is why it is so important to keep up with world news using other channels such as independent stations and papers and magazines of which GlobalNews is an excellent example. Unfortunately, until the bombs begin bouncing through their roofs or the SWAT teams through their front doors, the majority of people are not interested enough to turn away from their '494 stations from around the Worrrld on Your PayTeeVee Sets' to find out what's really happening 'out there'. February 15th is an ultra-important date in the ongoing tragedy of Planet Earth. It is probably one of the very few chances We the People will have to stop the war happening. If not the only chance. There will be a rally near you. Please go to it. roger
