Re: New Zealanders
You don't have to collect 8.4 million dollars to find out that changing peoples' diet from meat to vegetarian (cutting out rice grown in water as well) will reduce emissions of methane by reducing the need for meat animals such as cattle and sheep! It is already known that methane is 16X the greenhouse gas as C02. Is not the idea of the FART to reduce the animal numbers because the farmers don't want to pay? FART fighting FART doesn't solve anything. Nothing get done and the methane still floats up. Only changing land use, if that were possible, by paying FARMERS to grow something else would reduce methane production. Or, secure a small burner on the rear end of each sheep and cattle! Michael - Original Message - From: Peter Cotterill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Unfortunely New Zealand government signed the Kyoto Protocol and now is responsible to lower greenhouse gas emissions. The Australia and US governments had more sense and did not signed. The NZ government is going to levy each cattle and sheep to collect 8.4 million dollars research fund to find ways to lower these methane emissions. The New Zealand Farmers are angry and have formed a protest group called F.A.R.T. Fight Against Rediculous Taxes and they plan to block the highways with their tractors if need be. The farmers argue that their farms are only part of the cycle absorbing greenhouse gases as well as producing them. However the government refuses to back down and now it looks like the farmers will refuse to co-operate in the collection of the flatulence tax. Peter Cotterill. - Original Message - From: Rex Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Eric et al On 15 Jul 03, Eric Myren wrote: What is this I hear about farmers in New Zealand mailing the government sheep and cow poop to protest a flatulence tax? http://www.ruralnews.co.nz/article.asp?channelid=32articleid=4100 We wonder if Marie's few milking sheep are going to cop the proposed tax? 8-] Rex ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: New Zealanders
The only good that might come out of this if we can through a reserch program, prove that biodynamicaly produced pasture produces less flatulence. Massey already have an organic systems comparison farm close to the university. Measuring methane could be one more parmeter to start the process going. Several PhD. students are doing thesis on nitrous oxide emissions. One of them was quite keen to put in a B.D. element but I think that I might have got there a bit too late. I'll keep an eye out for other opportunities. Peter. - Original Message - From: Peter Cotterill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Unfortunely New Zealand government signed the Kyoto Protocol and now is responsible to lower greenhouse gas emissions. The Australia and US governments had more sense and did not signed. The NZ government is going to levy each cattle and sheep to collect 8.4 million dollars research fund to find ways to lower these methane emissions. The New Zealand Farmers are angry and have formed a protest group called F.A.R.T. Fight Against Rediculous Taxes and they plan to block the highways with their tractors if need be. The farmers argue that their farms are only part of the cycle absorbing greenhouse gases as well as producing them. However the government refuses to back down and now it looks like the farmers will refuse to co-operate in the collection of the flatulence tax. Peter Cotterill. - Original Message - From: Rex Teague [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 1:19 PM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Eric et al On 15 Jul 03, Eric Myren wrote: What is this I hear about farmers in New Zealand mailing the government sheep and cow poop to protest a flatulence tax? http://www.ruralnews.co.nz/article.asp?channelid=32articleid=4100 We wonder if Marie's few milking sheep are going to cop the proposed tax? 8-] Rex ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: New Zealanders
Kia ora We somehow need to get the energy that is going in to this fart campaign to be transferred to the anti GE campaign. The moratorium is set to be lifted late October this year. Any suggestions? Kia kaha Diana ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
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Kia ora, Would a petition be worth a try??? - Original Message - From: Di Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:09 AM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Kia ora We somehow need to get the energy that is going in to this fart campaign to be transferred to the anti GE campaign. The moratorium is set to be lifted late October this year. Any suggestions? Kia kaha Diana ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: New Zealanders
I have sent a letter to the Minister of Agriculture asking to include our product for this in the trials. Its actually burping that is the problem, and the inefficient digestion of their badly grown grass, so there will be all sorts of positives that come from this. they will find ways to improve digestion - we have been doing this in humans for 12 years - which will make a better weight gain for them, and they will find better ways to grow grass. Not signing the Kyoto protocol is not the best option. Its like sticking your head in the sand and believing the wolf can not see you. Australia and the US not signing, and allowing China and India to escape it as well, are all very irresponsible acts for the longevity of life on the planet. NZ going forward implementing it will no doubt be as disasterous for us as our unilateral dropping of our trade barriers, while our biggest trading partners have the biggest rade barriers. But here we are, so what can we do to help. The 8 million the farmers are paying is less that 10% of the real cost of their pollution re greenhouse gas taxes etc. So their arguments are somewhat irrational and selfish as far as I can see. GA BdMax distributors of ThermoMax -THE proven frost protection www.bdmax.co.nz - Original Message - From: Peter Michael Bacchus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Kia ora, Would a petition be worth a try??? - Original Message - From: Di Handley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biodynamic Food and Farming Discussion [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2003 7:09 AM Subject: Re: New Zealanders Kia ora We somehow need to get the energy that is going in to this fart campaign to be transferred to the anti GE campaign. The moratorium is set to be lifted late October this year. Any suggestions? Kia kaha Diana ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
Re: New Zealanders
Eric et al On 15 Jul 03, Eric Myren wrote: What is this I hear about farmers in New Zealand mailing the government sheep and cow poop to protest a flatulence tax? http://www.ruralnews.co.nz/article.asp?channelid=32articleid=4100 We wonder if Marie's few milking sheep are going to cop the proposed tax? 8-] Rex ___ BDNow mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can unsubscribe or change your options at: http://lists.envirolink.org/mailman/listinfo/bdnow
