Re: SFW: Flowforms for Brewing Compost Teas

2002-01-11 Thread Chris Shade

Cheryl,

Just a note to remember with gases (oxygen) dissolved
in water.  Though warmed water will stimulate
microbial growth, warmer water holds less oxygen.  To
remember the rule, think of water boiling and the
gases beign released from it.

Chris

--- Allan Balliett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>   From Cheryl Kemp
> >>
> >>For Elaine, firstly thanks for the tremendous
> job you are doing -
> >>  were are learning so much, and your work is
> really helping us to
> >>  understand how Biodynamics works in the soil.
> >
> >>  My question is: Can a flowform be used instead
> of a brewer for
> >>  compost tea, especially if we use warmed water?
> >>  My thoughts are that the oxygenation and
> movement helps develop 
> >>the organisms.
> >>  Have you done any experiments with this?
> >>
> >>  PS. If you would like to do some experiments in
> Australia I could
> >>  help organise it! We have a flowform maker just
> near your Lismore Lab.
> >  > Cheryl Kemp
> >
> >Hi Cheryl -
> >
> >Thank you for the kind words.  I do very much
> appreciate them.
> >
> >I think a flow form can make tea of just as good
> microbial activity and total
> >biomass as commercial tea makers.  Of course, I
> have more data on 
> >the commercial
> >tea makers.  Little differences in the design of
> tea machines can be extremely
> >important, so I would think the same would be the
> case for flow 
> >forms.  Movement
> >and aeration are critical because you have to keep
> the organisms aerobic.
> >Extraction through the compost is critical too,
> because you have to pull the
> >organisms from the surface of the compost and into
> the water.  So, if the flow
> >forms keep the liquid well aerated, and pull the
> organisms from the 
> >compost, plus
> >impose an energy pattern on the water, then maybe
> flow forms can 
> >make great tea
> >too.  We need to assess the organisms, and the
> impact on the plants, soil, and
> >surfaces in order to document this.
> >
> >So, yes, I would like to do some experiments on
> this, but we'd need 
> >to sit down
> >and talk about the experimental design, and that
> most unfortunate of 
> >topics, how
> >is going to pay to run the experiments?  I wish we
> could do all this work for
> >free, but the technical staff need to buy food and
> pay rent..
> >
> >So, let me know what you see for possible
> interactions!  I hope we 
> >can find some
> >funding someplace!
> >
> >Elaine Ingham
> 


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SFW: Flowforms for Brewing Compost Teas

2002-01-10 Thread Allan Balliett

>
>>   From Cheryl Kemp
>>
>>For Elaine, firstly thanks for the tremendous job you are doing -
>>  were are learning so much, and your work is really helping us to
>>  understand how Biodynamics works in the soil.
>
>>  My question is: Can a flowform be used instead of a brewer for
>>  compost tea, especially if we use warmed water?
>>  My thoughts are that the oxygenation and movement helps develop 
>>the organisms.
>>  Have you done any experiments with this?
>>
>>  PS. If you would like to do some experiments in Australia I could
>>  help organise it! We have a flowform maker just near your Lismore Lab.
>  > Cheryl Kemp
>
>Hi Cheryl -
>
>Thank you for the kind words.  I do very much appreciate them.
>
>I think a flow form can make tea of just as good microbial activity and total
>biomass as commercial tea makers.  Of course, I have more data on 
>the commercial
>tea makers.  Little differences in the design of tea machines can be extremely
>important, so I would think the same would be the case for flow 
>forms.  Movement
>and aeration are critical because you have to keep the organisms aerobic.
>Extraction through the compost is critical too, because you have to pull the
>organisms from the surface of the compost and into the water.  So, if the flow
>forms keep the liquid well aerated, and pull the organisms from the 
>compost, plus
>impose an energy pattern on the water, then maybe flow forms can 
>make great tea
>too.  We need to assess the organisms, and the impact on the plants, soil, and
>surfaces in order to document this.
>
>So, yes, I would like to do some experiments on this, but we'd need 
>to sit down
>and talk about the experimental design, and that most unfortunate of 
>topics, how
>is going to pay to run the experiments?  I wish we could do all this work for
>free, but the technical staff need to buy food and pay rent..
>
>So, let me know what you see for possible interactions!  I hope we 
>can find some
>funding someplace!
>
>Elaine Ingham