Re: [beagleboard] Re: Kickstarter Project: BeagleCore - miniaturized computer module compatible with BeagleBone Black
> > But show me the hardware, when obtain-ium. Then I'll be less reserved. > That's our goal and we are working hard to make this come true. Please stay tuned. One thing I am curious about however. Pricing after this has gone to > production. Then when is the projected production date ? e.g. when can the > public start purchasing. If any of this can be divulged . . . > We know that pricing is very important. And we are doing our best to get the pitched single unit retail price of 55 USD down. Right now I can't go into details but we are looking forward to getting the module price under 40 USD. Currently there are lots and lots of things that need to be discussed and done. However we are planning on selling the first modules as planned in February 2016. There is a lot going on here at the BeagleCore headquarters and as soon as we have any news to announce we will be doing it right away. Regards Ansgar -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Kickstarter Project: BeagleCore - miniaturized computer module compatible with BeagleBone Black
Thanks Wiliam. I really appreciate your detailed answer and - like said before - we do not think our solution to be perfect yet. This is why we try to keep in touch with the community to know what people have to say. Let's hope the best for BeagleCore but I'm pretty sure we can make it. Am Mittwoch, 8. Juli 2015 20:47:21 UTC+2 schrieb William Hermans: > > Also for what it is worth, my buddy did mention to me that the beaglecore > would / could be useful for him. After which he named a project we've been > talking about. The thing about the beaglecore that threw me for a "loop" > was the beaglebone type "motherboard". But now thinking about it, everyone > needs an EVAL "system" for development. > > The beagleboard.org community "compatibility" ( software wise ) is also a > nice touch. I am not sure how many, if any of the boards I mentioned can do > that. Sure, they all offer BSPs for various OSes / distro's . . . but that > does not necessarily mean the same thing. Past that, and quite honestly, I > have a strong dislike for anything bitbake, and whatever that build system > is for Angstrom( I tried to put all that stuff as far out of my mind as > possible ). As all that stuff I feel is not very intuitive, and can be > quite a hassle to setup / use. > > I really enjoy the simplicity of say setting up a rootfs using > debootstrap, using chroot to modify the image to my needs, including > pulling in a linux-image from the community, using dpkg to "install". But > anyway, simple standard tools are my "thing". So in this case, the > beaglecore has it nailed. Assuming it comes into fruition. > > > On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 11:34 AM, William Hermans > wrote: > >> *Do enthusiasts have professional equipment? No.* >>> >>> *That's an assumptio and depends on the definition of "enthusiast". I >>> like the point of view that Robert Budde shared above:* >>> >> >> Exactly, well sort of. I would not consider myself an enthusiast, but I >> am a serious hobbyist. While I do not personally own such equipment, I do >> have access to just about anything a "professional" has access to in my >> home. As my buddy has been an EE for IDK 35 + years, and has acquired quite >> a collection. Professional grade Oscilloscopes, logic analyzers, emulators, >> 80's arcade PCB test equipment, and last but not least reflow ovens. One >> home made out of a convection oven using an MSP430 launchpad( for which I >> wrote the code ), and a professional infrared reflow oven. >> >> To be sure, there is a lot more, but I think the point is made. >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 8, 2015 at 9:14 AM, Maxim Podbereznyy > > wrote: >> >>> well, they cost ~$1.7 each in Digikey and there is an Altium library for >>> the module where you can find the symbol and the footprint for the whole >>> module. I guess the Altium library can be imported to other CADs if >>> necessary. Having such library minimizes errors on the PCB. I did not have >>> any problems at all >>> >>> 2015-07-08 17:06 GMT+03:00 Robert Budde >>> >: >>> In fact, those high density connectors can be a pain on their own: - they cost an awful lot of money even in medium quantaties - alignment is critical, especially if you have more than one per board. Small alignment errors - which sometimes are even hard to avoid when using properly designed alignment holes - can lead to stress on the contacts and/or result in contact failures. The tolerances allowed in the connector specs have to be split up to alignment errors on both baseboard and som - making life not easier. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com . For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maximpodbereznyy >>> Company - http://www.linkedin.com/company/mentorel >>> Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/mentorel.company >>> >>> -- >>> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >>> --- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "BeagleBoard" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com . >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> > -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Kickstarter Project: BeagleCore - miniaturized computer module compatible with BeagleBone Black
> > There is only one question: how will you solder this SOM? There is only > one answer: nohow unless you have a professional infrared solder station. > You could use a reflow station, a reflow oven or - like you said - a professional infrared solder station. > Do enthusiasts have professional equipment? No. > That's an assumptio and depends on the definition of "enthusiast". I like the point of view that Robert Budde shared above: *"It is not targeted at "makers", "cape-stackers" or "click-board-users", but people who want to transfer their (maybe cape-based/-originated) design into a ready-to-be-sold product."* BBB is the best solution for enthusiasts. > BeagleBone Black is great. No question. But for some (professionals) it is a starting point for a ready-to-be-sold product that can be mass produced. BeagleCore is not meant to replace BBB, it's most likely the missing link for professionals. Regards Ansgar > > 2015-07-07 9:30 GMT+03:00 Robert Budde >: > >> >> >> Am Montag, 6. Juli 2015 20:48:55 UTC+2 schrieb William Hermans: >>> >>> *Hi!* *I think you are missing the point:* *BeagleCore is not about having a BeagleBone Black Clone for double the price - it's about using all the software/experience of the BBB community and integrate them in a "professional" (non-Cape-like) device with a custom form-factor. It is not targeted at "makers", "cape-stackers" or "click-board-users", but people who want to transfer their (maybe cape-based/-originated) design into a ready-to-be-sold product. * >>> >>> >>> I think the counter point however is that 10's of these types of >>> products have already been in existence. Sold by "known quantity" >>> companies. For 2-3 years now. >>> >> >> Do you mind mentioning some of those? I am not looking for just SOMs with >> AM335X but SOMs offering full software compatibility down the DT and having >> eMMC and not just NAND flash. >> >> >> -- >> For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss >> --- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "BeagleBoard" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > > -- > LinkedIn - http://www.linkedin.com/in/maximpodbereznyy > Company - http://www.linkedin.com/company/mentorel > Facebook - https://www.facebook.com/mentorel.company > -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "BeagleBoard" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Kickstarter Project: BeagleCore - miniaturized computer module compatible with BeagleBone Black
First off, thanks for your post. It's always good to ask questions. I will try to answer them as good as I can. I like the idea of a small module... but with the baseboard added, so it is > equivalent to a BBB, the price is $110, 2X the price of a BBB. The two must > be soldered together, so you don't gain a pluggable/replaceable module. > What is the benefit in that? > BeagleCore is made for business solutions though you could also use it for DIY projects. The benefit arises - like sa_Penugin states in his post - when you use it like the Pi Compute Module. If you are using BBB as a development board for a project and you are planning on going into mass production you might want to consider having your own baseboard but still rely on the core features of BeagleBone Black to accomplish your goal without reprogramming, porting and testing everything from scratch. This is why we created BeagleCore. > How can they promise availability for 7+ years unless they have a promise > from TI to make the AM335x and other parts for that long? > Like RobertCNelson said: TI promised at least 10 years. This is the information we rely on. How can they promise this new company will be in business for 7+ years? > We can not promise that. Nobody can - not even Apple or Google. But we are experienced in embedded systems and have a great network to rely on. Most people in our team have more than 15 years of experience in developing solutions such as the BeagleCore. Others have 10 years of experience in marketing and selling solutions. And Martin, the head of our team, is an experienced manager who knows how to run a business and make it a long term success. We promise to do our very best and strive for the longrun not a short win. On the Beaglecore site FAQ they claim: *For genuine embedded industrial > applications the existing BeagleBoard hardware is not suitable due to > several reasons. Currently professional embedded computer-on-module > applications use 100% defined and well engineered standards from PICMG > (such as COM Express) or SGET (such as Qseven and SMARC). *How is their > LGA module somehow compliant with these standards? Is their baseboard? How > is my (required) custom baseboard any more compliant? I also question that > these standards are really important to a lot of applications: if they are, > go buy a COM Express board for way more than BBB: > http://www.cotsjournalonline.com/articles/view/101717 > Before we started off with the idea of bringing BeagleCore to Kickstarter we carefully researched the current market situation and discussed the topic with quite a few companies, developers and engineers. From the feedback we gathered we extracted the fact that there is possibly a market not yet seen by those who rely on COM Express and such. I wouldn't go as far as calling COM Express "high end development" and BBB and alike "DIY development" but the difference in pricing is evident. There is a market for professional BBB solutions and we believe in the power of BeagleBone Black. > On the Beaglecore website it says the core must be carefully soldered to > the baseboard: *It also means that the soldering has to be executed by a > professional EMS company or by an experienced soldering technician. This > package is called Land Grid Array (LGA)* > Like I said before: It's more an industrial solution but if you know what you are doing you can do it all on your own. We are just trying to make our point clear about the target groups. > The magic software BeagleSuite promises a lot: *Now you can create your > own IoT project without programming! With BeagleSuite™ the Internet of > Things is just a few clicks away. **Attach any sensor to your BeagleCore™ > powered board or simply use a BeagleBone Black, fire up BeagleSuite™ in > your favourite webbrowser and with a few clicks you can set up your own > dashboard, ruleset and actions according to your needs. *Really? Without > any programming? Attach "any sensor"? How does that work? It is web based > meaning it runs somewhere on someone's server... the part of the project > promised to be open source is the hardware only, not the BS software. Yes, > you can program it as you would a BBB and not use the BS, I'm just sayin'... > BeagleSuite is not the answer to everything - it's a starting point. Simple solutins - and most of the IoT solutions I have seen so far - are very basic. You can build those with a few clicks. There will be ready to run scripts for standard solutions. If you want to dig deeper then you might need some programming but still rely on the simple Drag&Drop features to build dashboards or rule-based actions. We have seen many solutions out there but BeagleSuite is probably something you want to give a try. For 7€ it is worth giving it a try - even if you don't use BeagleCore for it will run on any BBB. > If just the core module is $51 (the bulk pack of 50 is USD$2569) and
