Re: [beagleboard] Contamination, SD or eMMC, Root Cause

2015-02-02 Thread vicrandp

Hi Robert
 Is there an image available for the debian ReadonlyRoot for Beaglebone 
Black? 

https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot 

Thanks
Vic
 

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-8, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:31 AM, toni incog toni@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Sure, let's say just your latest greatest debian kernel 3.14 running 
  headless doing nothing only being great? 

 Still missing the point.. 

 So in that case, you have ext4, and / mounted rw with noatime.. 

 Let's say it's idle: 

 It'll survive a few power yanks and fsck.ext4 will fix it up most of the 
 time.. 

 I'd say about a week before you'll have to reflash the eMMC to due 
 file system corruption... 


  Any experiences with broken eMMCs? How important is using a backup 
 battery 
  in a daily unclean power down situation. What's your feeling: days, 
 weeks, 
  months, years, decades? 

 Really anything  then a week of unclean power down's, start looking 
 at read only root* and other file systems. 

 * We have a beagleboard-xm running on the roof of this building as a 
 webcam taking pictures all day, it's been running (off/on) for over 3 
 years on the same microSD card running Debian Squeeze, on a read only 
 rootfs.. It's powered by a solar array, so power is variable all day 
 long.. 

 https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot 

  
  Hmmm, I guess I've some work to do in shutting down some bbb's properly 
  otherwise I can answer my own question. Thinking aloud a battery and 
  bringing the power button external. 

 Regards, 

 -- 
 Robert Nelson 
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 


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Re: [beagleboard] Contamination, SD or eMMC, Root Cause

2015-01-25 Thread vicrandp

Robert 

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-8, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:31 AM, toni incog toni@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Sure, let's say just your latest greatest debian kernel 3.14 running 
  headless doing nothing only being great? 

 Still missing the point.. 

 So in that case, you have ext4, and / mounted rw with noatime.. 

 Let's say it's idle: 

 It'll survive a few power yanks and fsck.ext4 will fix it up most of the 
 time.. 

 I'd say about a week before you'll have to reflash the eMMC to due 
 file system corruption... 


  Any experiences with broken eMMCs? How important is using a backup 
 battery 
  in a daily unclean power down situation. What's your feeling: days, 
 weeks, 
  months, years, decades? 

 Really anything  then a week of unclean power down's, start looking 
 at read only root* and other file systems. 

 * We have a beagleboard-xm running on the roof of this building as a 
 webcam taking pictures all day, it's been running (off/on) for over 3 
 years on the same microSD card running Debian Squeeze, on a read only 
 rootfs.. It's powered by a solar array, so power is variable all day 
 long.. 

 https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot 


Is there such a debian image available for beaglebone black ?

  

  
  Hmmm, I guess I've some work to do in shutting down some bbb's properly 
  otherwise I can answer my own question. Thinking aloud a battery and 
  bringing the power button external. 

 Regards, 

 -- 
 Robert Nelson 
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 


On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-8, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:31 AM, toni incog toni@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Sure, let's say just your latest greatest debian kernel 3.14 running 
  headless doing nothing only being great? 

 Still missing the point.. 

 So in that case, you have ext4, and / mounted rw with noatime.. 

 Let's say it's idle: 

 It'll survive a few power yanks and fsck.ext4 will fix it up most of the 
 time.. 

 I'd say about a week before you'll have to reflash the eMMC to due 
 file system corruption... 


  Any experiences with broken eMMCs? How important is using a backup 
 battery 
  in a daily unclean power down situation. What's your feeling: days, 
 weeks, 
  months, years, decades? 

 Really anything  then a week of unclean power down's, start looking 
 at read only root* and other file systems. 

 * We have a beagleboard-xm running on the roof of this building as a 
 webcam taking pictures all day, it's been running (off/on) for over 3 
 years on the same microSD card running Debian Squeeze, on a read only 
 rootfs.. It's powered by a solar array, so power is variable all day 
 long.. 

 https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot 

  
  Hmmm, I guess I've some work to do in shutting down some bbb's properly 
  otherwise I can answer my own question. Thinking aloud a battery and 
  bringing the power button external. 

 Regards, 

 -- 
 Robert Nelson 
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 


On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 7:39:28 AM UTC-8, RobertCNelson wrote:

 On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 9:31 AM, toni incog toni@gmail.com 
 javascript: wrote: 
  Sure, let's say just your latest greatest debian kernel 3.14 running 
  headless doing nothing only being great? 

 Still missing the point.. 

 So in that case, you have ext4, and / mounted rw with noatime.. 

 Let's say it's idle: 

 It'll survive a few power yanks and fsck.ext4 will fix it up most of the 
 time.. 

 I'd say about a week before you'll have to reflash the eMMC to due 
 file system corruption... 


  Any experiences with broken eMMCs? How important is using a backup 
 battery 
  in a daily unclean power down situation. What's your feeling: days, 
 weeks, 
  months, years, decades? 

 Really anything  then a week of unclean power down's, start looking 
 at read only root* and other file systems. 

 * We have a beagleboard-xm running on the roof of this building as a 
 webcam taking pictures all day, it's been running (off/on) for over 3 
 years on the same microSD card running Debian Squeeze, on a read only 
 rootfs.. It's powered by a solar array, so power is variable all day 
 long.. 

 https://wiki.debian.org/ReadonlyRoot 

  
  Hmmm, I guess I've some work to do in shutting down some bbb's properly 
  otherwise I can answer my own question. Thinking aloud a battery and 
  bringing the power button external. 

 Regards, 

 -- 
 Robert Nelson 
 http://www.rcn-ee.com/ 


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