Re: [beagleboard] Re: Applying voltage to I/O pins when unpowered

2014-05-29 Thread James Lim
Thanks for the inputs! I will check out the AM3358 datasheet for more 
information.

James

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 8:51:57 PM UTC+6, Gerald wrote:

 No, it has protection on it. It is not on the expansion headers.

 Gerald



 On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, DLF dumb.lo...@gmail.com javascript: 
 wrote:

 Hello Gerald

 Is the serial debug header included in the scope of the expansion 
 headers?  

 The reason I ask is that last week I was mucking about with my serial 
 debug cable and I was wondering if I follow the SRM, how can I capture the 
 debug/bootup info via putty/serial connection if the BBB isn't connected 
 (via usb to my computer) before the BBB is powered up?

 Once again many thanks for all your efforts here.  I do enjoy learning* 
 with my BBB

 DLF

 * last night I burt my finger because my temperture sensor was plugged in 
 backwards   what a great learning experinece ;)
  
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[beagleboard] Re: Applying voltage to I/O pins when unpowered

2014-05-27 Thread PLyttle

When Gerald Coley wrote that down, he must have meant just that. He wrote 
it in big red capitals, so he must have REALLY meant it.
ANY I/O pin is not equal to SOME I/O pins

By the way If you don't (want to) believe the SRM, why would you trust 
something said in a forum on the matter? This has come up a few times. You 
can look it up.

If you choose to remain agnostic on the matter you can also just read 
the Revision A5.2 version of the SRM, where this statement is missing, so 
you could make a case that you are right.

On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:18:27 AM UTC+2, James Lim wrote:

 According to the SRM page 94:

 DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO THE 
 BOARD. 
 IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
 NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

 I hope to have a deeper understanding on that statement. Does that only 
 apply to specific pins such as the boot config pins?

 My application requires beaglebone to be a secondary processor and it 
 communicates with the primary processor using I2C and SPI. The beaglebone 
 will bootup and shutdown occasionally while the primary processor will be 
 on all the time.
 I am under the impression that the pins on the beaglebone should be on 
 high impedance when beaglebone is powered down. With I2C pulled up by 
 default and assuming I did attempt to drive the SPI bus when BBB is powered 
 down, is that going to destroy the processor?
  


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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Applying voltage to I/O pins when unpowered

2014-05-27 Thread Gerald Coley
Yes, it only applies to ALL of the pins on the expansion headers. All SOCs
have a specific power sequencing and this is related to that. You can read
more about it in the AM3358 and TPS65217C datasheets.

There are no high impedance pins on the AM3358. See previous sentence.

Gerald


On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 5:43 AM, PLyttle rksta...@gmail.com wrote:


 When Gerald Coley wrote that down, he must have meant just that. He wrote
 it in big red capitals, so he must have REALLY meant it.
 ANY I/O pin is not equal to SOME I/O pins

 By the way If you don't (want to) believe the SRM, why would you trust
 something said in a forum on the matter? This has come up a few times. You
 can look it up.

 If you choose to remain agnostic on the matter you can also just read
 the Revision A5.2 version of the SRM, where this statement is missing, so
 you could make a case that you are right.

 On Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11:18:27 AM UTC+2, James Lim wrote:

 According to the SRM page 94:

 DO NOT APPLY VOLTAGE TO ANY I/O PIN WHEN POWER IS NOT SUPPLIED TO THE
 BOARD.
 IT WILL DAMAGE THE PROCESSOR AND VOID THE WARRANTY.
 NO PINS ARE TO BE DRIVEN UNTIL AFTER THE SYS_RESET LINE GOES HIGH.

 I hope to have a deeper understanding on that statement. Does that only
 apply to specific pins such as the boot config pins?

 My application requires beaglebone to be a secondary processor and it
 communicates with the primary processor using I2C and SPI. The beaglebone
 will bootup and shutdown occasionally while the primary processor will be
 on all the time.
 I am under the impression that the pins on the beaglebone should be on
 high impedance when beaglebone is powered down. With I2C pulled up by
 default and assuming I did attempt to drive the SPI bus when BBB is powered
 down, is that going to destroy the processor?


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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Applying voltage to I/O pins when unpowered

2014-05-27 Thread DLF
Hello Gerald

Is the serial debug header included in the scope of the expansion 
headers?  

The reason I ask is that last week I was mucking about with my serial debug 
cable and I was wondering if I follow the SRM, how can I capture the 
debug/bootup info via putty/serial connection if the BBB isn't connected 
(via usb to my computer) before the BBB is powered up?

Once again many thanks for all your efforts here.  I do enjoy learning* 
with my BBB

DLF

* last night I burt my finger because my temperture sensor was plugged in 
backwards   what a great learning experinece ;)

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Re: [beagleboard] Re: Applying voltage to I/O pins when unpowered

2014-05-27 Thread Gerald Coley
No, it has protection on it. It is not on the expansion headers.

Gerald



On Tue, May 27, 2014 at 9:45 AM, DLF dumb.looks.f...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Gerald

 Is the serial debug header included in the scope of the expansion
 headers?

 The reason I ask is that last week I was mucking about with my serial
 debug cable and I was wondering if I follow the SRM, how can I capture the
 debug/bootup info via putty/serial connection if the BBB isn't connected
 (via usb to my computer) before the BBB is powered up?

 Once again many thanks for all your efforts here.  I do enjoy learning*
 with my BBB

 DLF

 * last night I burt my finger because my temperture sensor was plugged in
 backwards   what a great learning experinece ;)

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