[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out of stock. All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are getting priority? On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on the flash storage to provide the best user experience. To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try Special Computing.. Gerald On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie themackenziefam...@gmail.com wrote: I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out of stock. All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are getting priority? On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on the flash storage to provide the best user experience. To provide the
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Be prepared to buy 'now', sign up for the email in stock alert from Adafruit. When the email arrives, go online 'now' and purchase. Since the C's have been shipping, I've purchased 2 this way. -david On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie themackenziefam...@gmail.com wrote: I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out of stock. All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are getting priority? On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Thanks. I was under the (mistaken) assumption that all the vendors would be in the same boat. Just cancelled my Jameco order and have the phone set to buzz me when Adafruit says my new toy has arrived. Kind regards, Parker Mackenzie On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:23:29 AM UTC-4, Gerald wrote: Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try Special Computing.. Gerald On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie themacken...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out of stock. All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are getting priority? On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments Gerald On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:11 AM, Wm Parker Mackenzie themackenziefam...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks. I was under the (mistaken) assumption that all the vendors would be in the same boat. Just cancelled my Jameco order and have the phone set to buzz me when Adafruit says my new toy has arrived. Kind regards, Parker Mackenzie On Monday, June 30, 2014 10:23:29 AM UTC-4, Gerald wrote: Then watch Adafruit as they get weekly shipments. Or try Special Computing.. Gerald On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 8:48 AM, Mackenzie themacken...@gmail.com wrote: I have had a BBB rev C on backorder with Jameco since April 9th. Called them last week and they say it is likely to be mid to late August until it ships. I looked around (Adafruit, Sparkfun, etc...) and they still say out of stock. All I want is 1 for a hobby project, perhaps those ordering 100s-1000s are getting priority? On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
You just lost major points with that cheap shot. I do NOT view the email stock alerts as a marketing ploy -david On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Special Computing specialc...@gmail.com wrote: Special Computing has dedicated stock reserved for hobbyists so we typically are always in stock (we don't use marketing ploys with email signups). We typically ship same day from Arizona preferring USPS Priority Mail for 2-3 day delivery (next flight out service available). https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/ Special Computing 480-818-5745 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Medhi, I recently purchased a BBB Rev C from Element14 and it works fine. Only difference I can see so far is that the white card that comes with it references www.element14.com/element14_BBB instead of http://circuitco.com/support/BeagleBoneBlack which now actually redirects to http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack. I have used Newark/Element14 before and had no problems. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:36:31 AM UTC-4, Mehdi Yedes wrote: Hello everyone :) In fact I've been looking for a Beaglebone Black but apparently it's not available yet.. I just wanted to ask about the Embest (Element14) clone. Is it safe to use? I mean are there major differences when it comes to the quality of hardware? Because I really need to buy one and I wanted to make sure because it's so expensive for us here in Tunisia. Thank you in advance Le lundi 14 avril 2014 00:07:00 UTC+1, Jason Kridner a écrit : Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Thank you for the calrifications :) I'll get one soon then. By the way my name is Mehdi not Medhi :D Have a nice day :) Le lundi 23 juin 2014 07:46:57 UTC+1, Old Dog a écrit : Medhi, I recently purchased a BBB Rev C from Element14 and it works fine. Only difference I can see so far is that the white card that comes with it references www.element14.com/element14_BBB instead of http://circuitco.com/support/BeagleBoneBlack which now actually redirects to http://elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack. I have used Newark/Element14 before and had no problems. On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:36:31 AM UTC-4, Mehdi Yedes wrote: Hello everyone :) In fact I've been looking for a Beaglebone Black but apparently it's not available yet.. I just wanted to ask about the Embest (Element14) clone. Is it safe to use? I mean are there major differences when it comes to the quality of hardware? Because I really need to buy one and I wanted to make sure because it's so expensive for us here in Tunisia. Thank you in advance Le lundi 14 avril 2014 00:07:00 UTC+1, Jason Kridner a écrit : Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hello everyone :) In fact I've been looking for a Beaglebone Black but apparently it's not available yet.. I just wanted to ask about the Embest (Element14) clone. Is it safe to use? I mean are there major differences when it comes to the quality of hardware? Because I really need to buy one and I wanted to make sure because it's so expensive for us here in Tunisia. Thank you in advance Le lundi 14 avril 2014 00:07:00 UTC+1, Jason Kridner a écrit : Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on the flash storage to provide the best user experience. To provide the best experience of using Debian on
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
will that be a story with an end? Today i asked again at TIGAL. So they are waiting for a sending receipt (since 14 days..) As soon they get, blabla... No fixed date at all... I guess i could be happy with end of this month or the next. well lets say I am just speechless anymore . On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 still waiting till... dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date? There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June - nothing changed... If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still with a maybe) Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it? 2014-06-13 2:12 GMT+02:00 Peter Lawler blee...@gmail.com: On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote: Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards. https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/ Special Computing +1-480-818-5745 I must be missing something... What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured between 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it hard to imagine that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs $15 more for not having a box or USB cable. I don't get it. Pete. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler blee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had restocked. By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later, they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out. I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard about their stock level. Cheers, Pete. On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote: SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Adafruit had stock for several days straight (posted Friday afternoon, still had boards through Monday mid-day), and I just got an e-mail my RevC from Sparkfun (on back-order since the RevC was announced) has finally shipped. So it looks like things are at least getting better... On 6/17/2014 9:35 AM, Gloria Mohndorf wrote: will that be a story with an end? Today i asked again at TIGAL. So they are waiting for a sending receipt (since 14 days..) As soon they get, blabla... No fixed date at all... I guess i could be happy with end of this month or the next. well lets say I am just speechless anymore . On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 still waiting till... dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date? There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June - nothing changed... If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still with a maybe) Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it? 2014-06-13 2:12 GMT+02:00 Peter Lawler blee...@gmail.com: On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote: Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards. https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/ Special Computing +1-480-818-5745 I must be missing something... What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured between 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it hard to imagine that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs $15 more for not having a box or USB cable. I don't get it. Pete. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler blee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had restocked. By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later, they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out. I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard about their stock level. Cheers, Pete. On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote: SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on the flash storage to provide the best user experience. To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hi, FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had restocked. By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later, they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out. I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard about their stock level. Cheers, Pete. On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote: SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom Distribution is much more customizable and is very friendly to professional developers looking to tweak the most out of the system, but for many novices it introduces a barrier to learning. Debian is the basis for Ubuntu, includes ARM Cortex-A8 support in their mainline and is very familiar to a huge population of developers. It also takes a bit more space on the flash storage to provide the best user experience. To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
On 13/06/14 09:33, Bill Mar wrote: Special Computing has stock in BBB kits and boards. https://specialcomp.com/beaglebone/ Special Computing +1-480-818-5745 I must be missing something... What's with the three different prices? The difference as pictured between 'Kit (Hobbyist)' and 'Kit' seems non-existent, and I find it hard to imagine that the 'Board' (a) isn't shipped in a box (b) costs $15 more for not having a box or USB cable. I don't get it. Pete. On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Lawler blee...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, FWIW I got an email overnight (4am Aussie time) saying Adafruit had restocked. By the time I'd woken up and got to my computer about 4 hours later, they'd sold out. I note that Sparkfun have also sold out. I did have email notifications set up from Element 14, but I've not heard about their stock level. Cheers, Pete. On 13/06/14 06:45, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote: SparkFun has 24 in stock as of a few minutes ago 6/12/2014 On Sunday, April 13, 2014 7:07:00 PM UTC-4, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black? I hear that question a LOT. No, we weren't sleeping, but sometimes it takes a minute for a plan to come together. And don't you love it when a plan comes together? Your BeagleBone Black is on the way and below are the whys and hows. Buying a BeagleBone Black back around October last year was easy---and then suddenly they were gone. Having a big launch and then slowing down to a more steady pace of production is what is normally expected. Demand was strong, but distributors were showing a small amount of stock and people were getting their boards on demand. Based on the status, distributors had requested CircuitCo (the Richardson, Texas based manufacturer of all official BeagleBoard.org boards) to provide boards at a certain pace, and production dropped from about 6,000 a week at launch to around 3,000 a week. Then came Radio Shack, filling their stores with Make's Getting Started with BeagleBone kit. Then the Christmas rush. Then the Georgia Tech massively open online course on control of mobile robots hosted on Coursera. We had a couple of small production boosts, but haven't been able to make any dent in the demand. Everyone is starting to find out what BeagleBone Black can do, using it in their classes, hobbies, prototypes---and products. When it comes to those people using a BeagleBone Black in an end product, well, the BeagleBoard.org terms and conditions clearly say we aren't responsible for the quality in those cases. Nevertheless, the quality speaks for itself and many people are choosing to simply drop them into things beyond just a few prototype units. In practice, we'll never know unless you try to return a bunch of boards at once for repairs. Our desire is that people using the boards in products work directly with a contract manufacturer or distributor to enable boards builds to be planned out in time and with terms and conditions that won't hurt BeagleBoard.org's ability to supply classrooms, hobbyists and professionals building prototypes. Still, if distributors show stock, I expect people building products to continue to chew up some of the board supply. While these people building products are certainly sucking up a lot of boards, it is clear they aren't the only source of the high demand. Some of our distribution partners, most notably Adafruit and Special Computing, put quantity limits of one board per customer on their orders to help keep supply going to individual makers. I took a look at Adafruit's website while they were showing some sock and observed board disappearing at the rate of about 2-3 PER MINUTE. One tweet from me and they were sold out again. This all leads to the obvious conclusion: we need more capacity. To accomplish this, we are taking a multiple prong approach of increasing capacity at CircuitCo as well as bringing on an additional manufacturer. These two prongs are summarized below. Prong #1 - Ramping up production at CircuitCo Ramping up production costs money. More test equipment is needed. Orders on various parts must be accelerated. Additional staff must be hired to run additional shifts. CircuitCo has been fantastic at taking the risk for us, but the margins for BeagleBone Black aren't the friendliest for them to take on these additional costs. At initial launch, it is a benefit for them to get exposed to more customers for their core business, complex circuit assembly and engineering services, but shipping more of the exact same board isn't going to give them a lot more exposure. We're really close to shifting the distribution shipped on our boards from Angstrom Distribution to Debian. Feedback from different people, especially Adafruit, tells us this will improve usability in the largest segments of our community. Angstrom
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Dear sir, I am waiting for my BBB piece I have ordered it 2months back from INDIA with your distributor sumeetinstruments sumeetinstruments.com And i am waiting eagerly but rply are like this it will take end of the month may be cant say. I just want to know when it might reach India Please! Thanks, Rohan -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Just as a note, we had our purchasing department price quantity 1,000 of the BBB using the Rev C. documents with a San-Diego-based company we already use for other PCBs in our products. They quoted us $128 per unit. So you can see that (a) the $55 for the Rev C board is quite a bargain (thank you, all), and (b) quantity and a willingness to make little or no profit have a huge impact on price. Really appreciate Beagleboard.org's willingness to create a great prototyping and maker tool. It's a hell of a little board. Thanks Gerald, Jason, TI, and all the others involved. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
still waiting till... dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date? There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June - nothing changed... If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still with a maybe) Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it? -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Not sure what distributor you are referring to. We are shipping. Now, where your distributor is on the list and where you are on that distributor list, I cannot answer. http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments Gerald On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 5:41 AM, gloria.armsch...@gmail.com wrote: still waiting till... dudes, is there now a fixed delivery date? There was a promise for mid of may, now ist the begining of June - nothing changed... If you ask at some dealer they expect with end of June. (but still with a maybe) Isn´t that a kind of craziness, is it? -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Thank You Gerald for the reply. It seems I have to wait because the two messages sent to the distributor didnt fetch me a reply. Waiting On Sunday, May 25, 2014 11:11:29 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote: We have shipped about 5,200 of them, http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments Gerald On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM, David Funk dwf...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Had mine for over a week. They are shipping. India might be a bit of a problem. -david On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj jonesjose...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the availability. Thank you. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote: I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, it is their product. We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to make Beagleboards You can certainly take the information provided and build it yourself with no restrictions.. Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no longer available from us. Gerald On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, agk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
We have shipped about 5,200 of them, http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Board_Shipments Gerald On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 5:52 PM, David Funk dwf...@gmail.com wrote: Had mine for over a week. They are shipping. India might be a bit of a problem. -david On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj jonesjosephjeba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the availability. Thank you. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote: I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, it is their product. We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to make Beagleboards You can certainly take the information provided and build it yourself with no restrictions.. Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no longer available from us. Gerald On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, agk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the availability. Thank you. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote: I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, it is their product. We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to make Beagleboards You can certainly take the information provided and build it yourself with no restrictions.. Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no longer available from us. Gerald On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, agk...@gmail.com javascript: wrote: Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Had mine for over a week. They are shipping. India might be a bit of a problem. -david On Sat, May 24, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Jones Jebaraj jonesjosephjeba...@gmail.com wrote: Hello all, May I know when Rev C products will ship? I ask this because I have ordered a board in India and still it is unavailable (it also seems the same way around the globe). So please inform us regarding the availability. Thank you. On Friday, May 16, 2014 8:03:30 PM UTC+5:30, Gerald wrote: I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, it is their product. We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to make Beagleboards You can certainly take the information provided and build it yourself with no restrictions.. Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no longer available from us. Gerald On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, agk...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
I think Embest has some bulk order arrangement set up for their board. You can try them. They build their own version and we allow them to use the name and logo in their advertising and marking. But at the end of the day, it is their product. We have no plans for any different distribution scheme other than what we have now. And we have no plans for allowing anyone else to make Beagleboards You can certainly take the information provided and build it yourself with no restrictions.. Yes, REV C is the only one we will make. We will not be making old revisions.It is right to say that REV A and REV B are no longer available from us. Gerald On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM, agkr...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for this informative heads-up! Does it mean that for bulk orders (we think of 1,000 or more pieces) there is no real plan how to go ahead? Of course, we would need a more or less reliable delivery slot. Or are you entering into a more widespread distribution and license scheme? Also: is Rev C the only available rev from now on? Is it right to say that Rev A and B are not manufactured and available any more? Am Montag, 14. April 2014 01:07:00 UTC+2 schrieb Jason Kridner: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there Element14 has a world-wide reach and a notable production capacity. With all of the growing demand for BeagleBone Black, they will need it. I consider this a huge win for open hardware! --Jason -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
It was out of stock at adafruit this morning but just received a message they were back in stock. I don't know how many for how long. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Wahoo! I got my order in right away. Now I can use my Rev B in a permanent project and keep the C as something to play/learn with. On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 3:32 PM, David Funk dwf...@gmail.com wrote: Be prepared to order just as soon as you get that message and you too can be a proud owner! *Message from Adafruit Industries:* Thank you for ordering from Adafruit Industries, This message was sent to you at the request of Adafruit Industries to notify you that the electronic shipment information below has been transmitted to UPS. On it's way! Oh yeah! -david On Wed, May 14, 2014 at 10:45 AM, armstrong.ja...@gmail.com wrote: It was out of stock at adafruit this morning but just received a message they were back in stock. I don't know how many for how long. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hi, the fact that you try to meet the incredible demand by allowing the element14 clones of the Beaglebone Black sounds good. In Europe, I have seen some of those boards in stock (at farnell) around April 8, but they seem to be all gone by now. Does anyone have an idea if there will be some new boards available in the near future (next few weeks)? Has anyone experienced significant differences with the clones? How about buying from China? Thanks -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
C Wong, quick side answer.. check out machinekit! https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/machinekit -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hey Bas, Quick side question: was wondering if you're able to run any PRU related test apps? I have an application that needs xenomai and the PRU(s) and had a hard time getting the standard-available debian eMMC image to play with xenomai and the pru nicely. I was able to quickly modify the cloud9-Angstrom build and add both xenomai where the pru module loads and ran the example apps fine, so off I went that route (with everything working except hdmi--ok for now). Debian offers some nice compatibility with folks I work with that use ROS, but don't want to about-face finding that I can't get xenomai or the PRU to work right... thanks --C On Monday, April 14, 2014 1:51:58 AM UTC-7, Bas Laarhoven wrote: Robert, The Embest board I received from Farnell last week ago has been used in my BeBoPr++ production test system and I have not experienced any incompatibilities. As I posted earlier, the Angstrom software on the board was identical to that on a original rev B BBB. The only differences discovered thus far are mechanical and quality related. I replaced Angstrom with the Debian trial image and have had no problems (other than those that were present on the original BBB too). The on-board EEPROM contents differ and can be used to identify the boards if needed: Embest: 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 41 35 020 33 30 30 31 42 42 42 4b 39 36 30 30 58 41 58 58 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 060 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 44 45 46 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff strings: A335BNLT00A53001BBBK9600XAXX 0123456789ABCDEF BBB: 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 30 42 020 31 30 31 34 42 42 42 4b 31 30 39 33 ff ff ff ff 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 060 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff strings: A335BNLT000B1014BBBK1093 Except from that, both boards seem identical from a software point of view. -- Bas On 14-4-2014 8:59, robert.berger wrote: Hi Jason, On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black. I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like only supports the Circuitco Version. Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require software adjustments? I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a Circuitco BBB and expect this to work on an Embest BB Black? BTW I will do a webinar From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise. Regards, Robert [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard...@googlegroups.com javascript:. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
We are not going to make a board without eMMC. Creating a bunch of different boards does not help. If a manufacturer somewhere wants to make a board without eMMC, well, they just need to not put it on. All the design material for making this board is and always has been freely available. Anybody can build a board if they want to. All the material is open source. It is all described on the WIKI. http://www.elinux.org/Beagleboard:BeagleBoneBlack#Terms_of_Use But you cannot use the BeagleBone or BeagleBoard name. We control manufacturing. If we can't control manufacturing, it won't have the BeagleBoard name on it. Gerald On Tue, Apr 15, 2014 at 2:31 PM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Mon, 14 Apr 2014 07:01:14 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. We call this a not-yes. Or not-yet-no. Do you know what number of boards is the sweet spot for manufacture? I'd guess it depends on the manufacturer. What would be required for a manufacturer to make the BBB with no eMMC? Are there any impediments to providing a PCB maker with all the information and paying them to make 50 BBB? What restrictions apply? Does the design and goal need to be annointed or blessed to make it legal and legit? The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. There was some mention on this list that mixing read-only with writable partitions on eMMC was potential problem since eMMC wear-leveling don't know partitions. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hi Jason, On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black. I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like only supports the Circuitco Version. Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require software adjustments? I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a Circuitco BBB and expect this to work on an Embest BB Black? BTW I will do a webinar From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise. Regards, Robert [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Robert, The Embest board I received from Farnell last week ago has been used in my BeBoPr++ production test system and I have not experienced any incompatibilities. As I posted earlier, the Angstrom software on the board was identical to that on a original rev B BBB. The only differences discovered thus far are mechanical and quality related. I replaced Angstrom with the Debian trial image and have had no problems (other than those that were present on the original BBB too). The on-board EEPROM contents differ and can be used to identify the boards if needed: Embest: 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 41 35 020 33 30 30 31 42 42 42 4b 39 36 30 30 58 41 58 58 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 060 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 41 42 43 44 45 46 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff strings: A335BNLT00A53001BBBK9600XAXX 0123456789ABCDEF BBB: 000 aa 55 33 ee 41 33 33 35 42 4e 4c 54 30 30 30 42 020 31 30 31 34 42 42 42 4b 31 30 39 33 ff ff ff ff 040 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 060 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff 100 ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff ff strings: A335BNLT000B1014BBBK1093 Except from that, both boards seem identical from a software point of view. -- Bas On 14-4-2014 8:59, robert.berger wrote: Hi Jason, On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black. I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like only supports the Circuitco Version. Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require software adjustments? I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a Circuitco BBB and expect this to work on an Embest BB Black? BTW I will do a webinar From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise. Regards, Robert [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com mailto:beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 2:59 AM, robert.berger robert.karl.ber...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Jason, On Monday, April 14, 2014 2:07:00 AM UTC+3, Jason Kridner wrote: Just about to post this to http://beagleboard.org/blog, but it wouldn't hurt to get a bit of community feedback before pushing this out there What I would be interested is software (binary) compatibility between the Circuitco BBB and the Embest BB Black. I can't find it right now, but Rob Nelson mentioned something like only supports the Circuitco Version. Before switching to the Element14 BeagleBone Black branded boards, they sold off some of their older stock which had some really old firmware on it. It was determined that the really old firmware was to blame for Robert's code not booting. Reflashing the board solved the issue. Can you please enlighten me a bit on possible differences which require software adjustments? There are none. Future boards should line up with the same software version we deliver to CircuitCo. I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a Circuitco BBB and expect this to work on an Embest BB Black? Yes. BTW I will do a webinar From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise. Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino and using the PRUs? Regards, Robert [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:41 AM, Micka mickamus...@gmail.com wrote: Well I can't agree more with you ... I'm not using the eMMC because I need the pins that the eMMC use . Why not only using sdcard ? it's much more easy to programm the BBB with sdcard than with eMMC ... . There certainly is a value to going back to no eMMC, but the reliability, performance and cost advantages make it more practical for the standard BeagleBone Black. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 9:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Hi, I mean can I take an SD card which runs on a Circuitco BBB and expect this to work on an Embest BB Black? Yes. OK thanks! BTW I will do a webinar From Arduino Uno to BeagleBone Black (and back)![1] on 17th and such a question might arise. Sounds interesting. Will you talk about stuff like Userspace Arduino and using the PRUs? Not really. It's just 30 min ;) For the average Embedded software person it's quite painful to create (or let others create) prototyping hardware in order to write software which talks to sensors and actuators. On the one hand it's quite straightforward to build up some hardware and write test software with libraries available for the Arduino UNO, on the other hand it's not that easy to do the same thing right in Embedded Linux. Wouldn't it be nice to reuse this tested hardware prototype and write code for Embedded Linux to talk to it? I intentionally don't want to use Arduino wrapping libraries on Linux since those are typically not industrial strength, but targeted towards hobbyists. This is what's going to be presented here. BTW the prototyping hardware is not only able to convert signal levels from an Arduino UNO (shield) to a Beagle Bone, but also to convert signal levels from a Beagle Bone (cape) to an Arduino UNO if that's needed. Regards, Robert [1] http://www.element14.com/community/events/4021 -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add memory devices Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it. If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Gerald, I for one would be willing to go with a larger form factor to gain more memory, and GbE. Anyhow, yes I am not trying to push you or anything like that, just making my thoughts known. Sounds like I will have to keep my eyes out for the next Generation :) IN the meantime, the minnowboard MAX *could* fit the bill, but I think I will wait and see whats going on with ARM for a while. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Gerald Coley ger...@beagleboard.orgwrote: Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add memory devices Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it. If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.comwrote: On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Sorry. Jason says it has to fit in the Altoids box. Originally the form factor was planned to be bigger, but that was a long time ago and before we shrunk it. Yes, the next gen version will have a little bit more RAM and a little faster processor for you as well. And it will be bigger. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:54 PM, William Hermans yyrk...@gmail.com wrote: Gerald, I for one would be willing to go with a larger form factor to gain more memory, and GbE. Anyhow, yes I am not trying to push you or anything like that, just making my thoughts known. Sounds like I will have to keep my eyes out for the next Generation :) IN the meantime, the minnowboard MAX *could* fit the bill, but I think I will wait and see whats going on with ARM for a while. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Gerald Coley ger...@beagleboard.orgwrote: Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add memory devices Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it. If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.comwrote: On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
Would SO-DIMM socketed memory be a viable option? This would free some space on the board, but might complicate signal routing? j. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerald Coley ger...@beagleboard.org wrote: Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add memory devices Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it. If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is funnier -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [beagleboard] Re: Dude, where's my BeagleBone Black?
The AM335x has only 16bits of data. SO-DIMM would be a big waste. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:07 PM, Jacek Radzikowski jacek.radzikow...@gmail.com wrote: Would SO-DIMM socketed memory be a viable option? This would free some space on the board, but might complicate signal routing? j. On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 1:50 PM, Gerald Coley ger...@beagleboard.org wrote: Not until the memory device is made that can get it to 1GB for sure. The best we can do then is 1GB. The small form factor does not allow us to add memory devices Even then I am not sure we have the power supply to run it. If it means a redesign of the power section, it won't happen. Gerald On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Don deJuan donjuans...@gmail.com wrote: On 04/14/2014 04:01 AM, Jason Kridner wrote: On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 3:25 AM, rh_ richard_hubb...@lavabit.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 19:07:00 -0400 Jason Kridner jkrid...@beagleboard.org wrote: --8-- To provide the best experience of using Debian on BeagleBone Black, we are connecting the switch-over to an increase in the on-board eMMC flash storage from 2GB to 4GB, leaving more free room in which you can work. The eMMC is faster and more reliable than micro-SD cards, so this is adding a lot of value---and a little bit of cost. These BeagleBone Blacks with Debian and 4GB eMMC will be called Rev C and they will likely cost a bit more at most distributors. This extra money is helping CircuitCo pay for the additional expense of the eMMC, but also to cover costs for ramping production to higher-than-ever rates. With the additional capacity CircuitCo is bringing on, we expect to be able to fill all end-user back-orders for the Rev B boards by early May and shift all production to Rev C. With around 150,000 boards on *distributor* back-orders, we'll be working with distributors to quickly accept board shipments such that CircuitCo isn't sitting on any units. So no more 2GB eMMC models ever? What about one with no eMMC at all? I know there are more than a few people here that boot from network, sdcard or usb. Never say never, but we are unlikely to make any more 2GB eMMC models. I've been kicking around the idea of doing a kickstarter for a no-eMMC model, but I'd like to wait a month or two to see how the Rev C and Element14 boards are doing out there. Another thought occurred, has beagle or circuitco done any long duration eMMC testing? How graceful will the BBB handle a failed eMMC part? Failed as-in worn out from use not a defect. I think some people are concerned with eMMC failures and so they don't use it or don't rely on it. The only data we have is from the manufacturer and the community. After a year, we aren't seeing wear-out issues. The ext4 file system if fairly robust, but if writes start failing, end-user failures can occur in odd ways. If you are creating a mission-critical app that must stay deployed for many years without the ability to perform replacements, I'd encourage you to alter the eMMC contents to read-only, except for your critical data acquisition. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. any chance we will get a bump in RAM any time soon? Would love to see 1GB or catching up to some of the other boards with 2GB. I realize it would be a cost increase, but I think that would be a better option than no eMMC. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- Given a choice between two theories, take the one which is funnier -- For more options, visit http://beagleboard.org/discuss --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups BeagleBoard group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to beagleboard+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- For more options,
