Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Gerald Coley]

Same comment applies to the BBBW production. The IMU can be troublesome as
well.

Distributors take these issues VERY seriously. The repercussions could be
catastrophic for them if they don't. So, look at it from their perspective.
They have a lot more to be concerned about and they need to play it safe
and it is all dictated by the 51st state in the Union.

Gerald

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:43 PM, Robert Nelson 
wrote:

> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Gerald Coley 
> wrote:
> > Not user how the parts got to China. Most likely nobody knew. Sort of
> risky
> > from my experience. But as long as nobody finds out, should not be an
> issue.
>
> They had the Octavo's from the BBBW production..
>
> i would have expected the 9-asix IMU to be more difficult this time
> around..
>
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Robert Nelson]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:26 PM, Gerald Coley  wrote:
> Not user how the parts got to China. Most likely nobody knew. Sort of risky
> from my experience. But as long as nobody finds out, should not be an issue.

They had the Octavo's from the BBBW production..

i would have expected the 9-asix IMU to be more difficult this time around..

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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Gerald Coley]

Not user how the parts got to China. Most likely nobody knew. Sort of risky
from my experience. But as long as nobody finds out, should not be an issue.

Gerald


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> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:04 PM, evilwulfie  wrote:
> > So i would assume that Element14 makes these in china ?
>
> Correct embest-tech in china built the first round of blue's..
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Robert Nelson]

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:04 PM, evilwulfie  wrote:
> So i would assume that Element14 makes these in china ?

Correct embest-tech in china built the first round of blue's..

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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Gerald Coley]

Some of them. Not sure where the Blue is hatched.

Gerald


On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 2:04 PM, evilwulfie  wrote:

> So i would assume that Element14 makes these in china ?
>
>
> On 3/24/2017 11:26 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
>
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
>
> Robert knows better, I guess.  Dell asks me these questions every time I
> buy a computer.  They are just fulfilling a requirement that has been in
> place for a very long time by now.
>
>
> Indeed. We've had to get classification on all Beagles due to encryption
> acceleration hardware. It turns out to be "generally available" or some
> such category, but all the paperwork must be completed and Element14 didn't
> understand they needed to do this ahead of time. Some restrictions on use
> for crypto tech is normal for US export laws.
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Witten  wrote:
>
>> Eric,
>>
>> It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm located in
>> the middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell anything...
>>
>> Who knows in this world.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
>>
>>> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
>>> vehicle.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
>>>
 I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed
 me back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:

 My Federal ID,

 Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S.
 Export Laws and Regulation?

 Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
 Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
 Department of Commerce?


 Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.

>>>
> :-(
>
>
 I'm cancelling the order...


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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[evilwulfie]

So i would assume that Element14 makes these in china ?

On 3/24/2017 11:26 AM, Jason Kridner wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Eric Keller  > wrote:
>
>> Robert knows better, I guess.  Dell asks me these questions every
>> time I buy a computer.  They are just fulfilling a requirement that
>> has been in place for a very long time by now.
>
> Indeed. We've had to get classification on all Beagles due to
> encryption acceleration hardware. It turns out to be "generally
> available" or some such category, but all the paperwork must be
> completed and Element14 didn't understand they needed to do this ahead
> of time. Some restrictions on use for crypto tech is normal for US
> export laws. 
>
>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Witten > > wrote:
>>
>> Eric,
>>
>> It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm
>> located in the middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell
>> anything...  
>>
>> Who knows in this world.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller > > wrote:
>>
>> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a
>> flying vehicle.  
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM, > > wrote:
>>
>> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser. 
>> They emailed me back a  ' Customer End User Certificate'
>> and asking questions like:
>>
>> My Federal ID,
>>
>> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of
>> violating U.S. Export Laws and Regulation? 
>>
>> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied
>> Person List, Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau
>> of Industry and Security, Department of Commerce?
>>
>>
>> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>>
>
> :-(
>>
>>
>> I'm cancelling the order...
>>
>>
>> Dave Witten
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Gerald Coley]

ITAR is military.

The issue here is the encryption capability of the processor which results
in export restrictions. This has been the case for every single Beagle
Board.

I suspect the wrinkle here may be the fact that this board has a SIP on it
with the processor inside meaning the board is a product that uses another
product that uses the processor.

The SIP has to have the correct paper work. Then once that is done the
board will also have to have its paperwork.

On Mar 24, 2017 1:37 PM, "David Witten"  wrote:

> So the answer is No.
>
> Just timing and ITAR paperwork.
>
> Old saw, I should know better - Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to
> malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity". But there is so
> much of both going around these days.
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[David Witten]

So the answer is No.

Just timing and ITAR paperwork.

Old saw, I should know better - Hanlon's Razor: "Never attribute to malice
that which is adequately explained by stupidity". But there is so much of
both going around these days.

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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

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> On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:53 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
> 
> Robert knows better, I guess.  Dell asks me these questions every time I buy 
> a computer.  They are just fulfilling a requirement that has been in place 
> for a very long time by now.

Indeed. We've had to get classification on all Beagles due to encryption 
acceleration hardware. It turns out to be "generally available" or some such 
category, but all the paperwork must be completed and Element14 didn't 
understand they needed to do this ahead of time. Some restrictions on use for 
crypto tech is normal for US export laws. 


> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Witten  wrote:
>> Eric,
>> 
>> It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm located in the 
>> middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell anything...  
>> 
>> Who knows in this world.
>> 
>> Dave
>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
>>> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying 
>>> vehicle.  
>>> 
 On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
 I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed me 
 back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
 
 My Federal ID,
 
 Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S. Export 
 Laws and Regulation? 
 
 Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List, 
 Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security, 
 Department of Commerce?
 
 Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.

:-(
 
 I'm cancelling the order...
 
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[David Witten]

Robert,

Perhaps I can place my pre-order with RS - anyone outside the US (like I
did with the X-15).

Dave


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> Eric,
>
> It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm located in the
> middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell anything...
>
> Who knows in this world.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
>
>> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
>> vehicle.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed
>>> me back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
>>>
>>> My Federal ID,
>>>
>>> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S.
>>> Export Laws and Regulation?
>>>
>>> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
>>> Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
>>> Department of Commerce?
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm cancelling the order...
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Witten
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Eric Keller]

Robert knows better, I guess.  Dell asks me these questions every time I
buy a computer.  They are just fulfilling a requirement that has been in
place for a very long time by now.


On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:51 PM, David Witten  wrote:

> Eric,
>
> It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm located in the
> middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell anything...
>
> Who knows in this world.
>
> Dave
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:
>
>> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
>> vehicle.
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed
>>> me back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
>>>
>>> My Federal ID,
>>>
>>> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S.
>>> Export Laws and Regulation?
>>>
>>> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
>>> Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
>>> Department of Commerce?
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm cancelling the order...
>>>
>>>
>>> Dave Witten
>>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[David Witten]

Eric,

It doesn't say ITAR, and I'm not shipping it anywhere.  I'm located in the
middle of Missouri, USA.  I do not resell anything...

Who knows in this world.

Dave

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:47 PM, Eric Keller  wrote:

> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
> vehicle.
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed me
>> back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
>>
>> My Federal ID,
>>
>> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S. Export
>> Laws and Regulation?
>>
>> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
>> Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
>> Department of Commerce?
>>
>>
>> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>>
>>
>> I'm cancelling the order...
>>
>>
>> Dave Witten
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Robert Nelson]

This happens at every launch. The export paper work isn't ready. 

On Mar 24, 2017 12:47 PM, "Eric Keller"  wrote:

> I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
> vehicle.
>
> On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:
>
>> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed me
>> back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
>>
>> My Federal ID,
>>
>> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S. Export
>> Laws and Regulation?
>>
>> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
>> Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
>> Department of Commerce?
>>
>>
>> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>>
>>
>> I'm cancelling the order...
>>
>>
>> Dave Witten
>>
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Re: [beagleboard] Are all Beagle* Products now subject to ITAR or 'Extreme Vetting'?

[Eric Keller]

I think it's ITAR because it's a computer that can control a flying
vehicle.

On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 1:31 PM,  wrote:

> I just went to pre-order two BB Blue boards from Mouser.  They emailed me
> back a  ' Customer End User Certificate' and asking questions like:
>
> My Federal ID,
>
> Have you or has your company ever been convicted of violating U.S. Export
> Laws and Regulation?
>
> Are you or is your company currently listed on the Denied Person List,
> Unverified List or Entity List of the Bureau of Industry and Security,
> Department of Commerce?
>
>
> Looks like ITAR, but smells like 'Extreme Vetting' to me.
>
>
> I'm cancelling the order...
>
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