Re: [Newbies] Re: Re: Why hasn't Smalltalk been wildly accepted?
On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus D. Witzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:43:46 +0200, Michael Kohout wrote: When I get home(and if the weather isn't too nice) I play with Squeak. But when I go to work, I write Java(like a lot of people on this list, I'd imagine). 8-) I can pretty much choose whatever I want to work in. I'm looking for an in for Smalltalk, but I have to interact with a lot of MS products ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] Re: Why hasn't Smalltalk been wildly accepted?
Hi Blake, on Fri, 11 Aug 2006 09:48:58 +0200, you wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 05:58:54 -0700, Klaus D. Witzel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Aug 2006 14:43:46 +0200, Michael Kohout wrote: When I get home(and if the weather isn't too nice) I play with Squeak. But when I go to work, I write Java(like a lot of people on this list, I'd imagine). 8-) I can pretty much choose whatever I want to work in. I'm looking for an in for Smalltalk, but I have to interact with a lot of MS products Then, how about doing something for the opposite direction, Squeak as a COM-server (like MS$ had done the Java extensions in their MSJAVA VM)? See for example - http://www.visoracle.com/squeakfaq/com-activex.html which mentions the Squeak .NET bridge from SqueakMap. /Klaus ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] Developer theme/image?
Hello, im using squeak3.8-6665full (standard download) on a G4 powerbook to play around with seaside. Everything works (as expected), but i don't like the interface for development: Two questions: Is there a theme (or image) available which removes 90% of the eye candy and adds some nice monospace fonts for all text-fields (Browser, Workspace, Transcript, etc.)? I played around with preferences appearance from the world menu, but wasn't able to produce a usable UI. Squeak feels slow: I don't mean the vm execution speed for bytecode (seaside apps are fast enough), but the visual and/or tactile (i lack a better word here) feedback of the UI just feels slow. Even when typing the output sometimes lags behind ! It seems to get worse when adding things like Shout or eCompletion (which i would like to use). Drag drop of window outlines is also slow. Maybe it's possible to tweak the scheduler? Remove morphic, use MVC world only? Im currently only interested in seaside development Emacs (well Aquamacs now) user here, so maybe im just spoiled .-) Regards, Dirk ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] no available update servers
I have been seeing the same thing both at work and at home. Did you figure out what the problem was, if any? thanks, bakki On 8/9/06, Thomas Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Whenever I launch Squeak (v3.8#6665) it asks if I want to check for updates. When I click Yes however, I always get the message the no update servers are available. Is there a configuration object that I need to provide with server locations? Thanks -- Tom Ecrasez l'Infame! -- Voltaire ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] no available update servers
I have the same problem. My proxy settings are empty. They were when I checked them. Where can I find the host(s) it is trying to reach? On Friday, August 11, 2006, at 02:17PM, Enrico Schwass [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag, den 11.08.2006, 10:44 -0700 schrieb Thomas Keller: Not really. But if I choose the European mirror servers. I do not get the warning about no servers being available. My institution doesn't use proxy servers and Squeak is the only application that seems to have this problem. Perhaps it is a problem at the server end. Did you clear squeak own proxy settings? bye Enno ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] Re: Re: error trap
parse into collections automatically. You didn't inspectIt for
verifying
your (false) claim, didn't you.
No I didn't! The { } just looked so wrong and like C! I'm used to
#()
which of course doesn't work.
Also, have a look at the implementors of
#caseOf: and #caseOf:otherwise:, they are heavy users of literal
blocks in
Collections ...
I will!
argh! Ugly!
Yes. And, into the other direction, even in good core methods one
often
finds things like
^ dict at: aKey ifAbsent: [nil]
this is much better.
I would like to see caseOf:...removed from the system
I started to write this too but thought about some of the errors
that people
receive about wrong form of block and didn't want to scare people.
stef
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Re: [Newbies] Developer theme/image?
use squeak3.9 (gamma version coming soon ;)) but the latest version is really good :) Is there a theme (or image) available which removes 90% of the eye candy and adds some nice monospace fonts for all text-fields (Browser, Workspace, Transcript, etc.)? I played around with preferences appearance from the world menu, but wasn't able to produce a usable UI. Squeak feels slow: I don't mean the vm execution speed for bytecode (seaside apps are fast enough), but the visual and/or tactile (i lack a better word here) feedback of the UI just feels slow. Even when typing the output sometimes lags behind ! It seems to get worse when adding things like Shout or eCompletion (which i would like to use). Drag drop of window outlines is also slow. in 3.8 a character cache was not activated so . Maybe it's possible to tweak the scheduler? Remove morphic, use MVC world only? Im currently only interested in seaside development Emacs (well Aquamacs now) user here, so maybe im just spoiled .-) me too :) load the keybinding :) stef ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
Re: [Newbies] no available update servers
you should check HTTPSocket stopUsingProxy and related. But do not use update for 3.8 to go 3.9 Get the latest version of 3.9 (in 3.9 we cannot easily use software update since we use Monticello and got some problems since Squeak is not easy to maintain with a new packaging system). Stef On 11 août 06, at 19:44, Thomas Keller wrote: Hi, Not really. But if I choose the European mirror servers. I do not get the warning about no servers being available. My institution doesn't use proxy servers and Squeak is the only application that seems to have this problem. Perhaps it is a problem at the server end. good luck, Tom K On 8/11/06, Bakki Kudva [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been seeing the same thing both at work and at home. Did you figure out what the problem was, if any? thanks, bakki On 8/9/06, Thomas Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greetings, Whenever I launch Squeak (v3.8#6665) it asks if I want to check for updates. When I click Yes however, I always get the message the no update servers are available. Is there a configuration object that I need to provide with server locations? Thanks -- Tom Ecrasez l'Infame! -- Voltaire ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners -- Tom Ecrasez l'Infame! -- Voltaire ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
[Newbies] Re: error trap
On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 23:00:03 +0200, stéphane ducasse wrote: Klaus wrote: Yes. And, into the other direction, even in good core methods one often finds things like ^ dict at: aKey ifAbsent: [nil] this is much better. Why do you call failures in understanding things like this better, Stef? Whoever writes such statements, has no idea about an object's value versus a block's value and especially no idea about when and why execution of a block of code can and should be delayed (not to speak about performance impact). I would like to see caseOf:...removed from the system And replace it by what? Why would you limit the expressive power of the software developer, Stef? /Klaus stef ___ Beginners mailing list Beginners@lists.squeakfoundation.org http://lists.squeakfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/beginners
