Re: Hi
If you do not give data for troubleshooting, there is no good way to help. See step 3: 3. If you are not unsubscribed, please add in your requests for further help (as simply saying it doesn't work does not help people troubleshoot, as we all know too well): a. the email - including headers - that you sent to beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org b. any replies you may have rec'd from the list server, especially if they contain denials or errors. I am, c. Kristin Sent while galavanting. On Jan 11, 2013, at 3:23 AM, Lou Pereira louis.pere...@ptalc.com wrote: For the past year I have exhausted all options of e-mail format to opt out, including your recommendations to no avail. I must say that over 10 years I have been involved with different e-mail lists and tech groups, but never had such as poor service as this group. Any other ideas would be appreciated? Regards; Lou Pereira C: (973) 670-6821 mailto:louis.pere...@ptalc.com -Original Message- From: Kristin Nielsen [mailto:kris...@justkristin.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 6:50 PM To: Lou Pereira Cc: beginners@perl.org Subject: Re: Hi Lou - Klamerus' frustration is not completely unwarranted. I answered that question in my reply to the list - did you read it? If not, there are three steps to take - fewer if you are successful. 1. Start an email from the account with which you subscribed to the list. You MUST send your unsubscribe request from the email address by which list mail is being rec'd. 2. Send a simple blank email from the account mentioned in step #1 to beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org 3. If you are not unsubscribed, please add in your requests for further help (as simply saying it doesn't work does not help people troubleshoot, as we all know too well): a. the email - including headers - that you sent to beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org b. any replies you may have rec'd from the list server, especially if they contain denials or errors. There you go. I am, c., Kristin P. S. I take quite to heart the belittling attitude found on so many tech lists. Bad attitude doesn't work from either direction, and yes, delivery matters. This is supposed to be a cooperative educational community, is it not? Sure, we should all RTFM, but some of us who have been forced to learn-or-get-laid-off simply lack the formal training to know which term to use in our search, or even to know which PERLDOC to read, have been shamed into silence by cruel responses. I am far beyond that now, but I remember it well. Furthermore, this list contains quite a few for whom English is not a first language. I am grateful to everyone here for being on the list and helping those who come to it for assistance. We all get frustrated with simplistic or repetitive questions, and people who don't even try should be told to try first, but very little besides a bully's ego is helped by mean replies. No? Thanks again, all of you, really. On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Lou Pereira louis.pere...@ptalc.com wrote: I beg to differ regarding your comment. I have been trying to be removed from this list for over a year to no avail. So, all knowledge one, how do we remove ourselves from this mail list? -Original Message- From: klamerus [mailto:klame...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:10 PM To: 'bhanu chaitanya abbaraju'; beginners@perl.org Subject: RE: Hi Since you clearly don't know how mailing lists work I'm afraid that's not possible. -Original Message- From: bhanu chaitanya abbaraju [mailto:bhanu.cha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:04 PM To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Hi Please help me how can I stop perl emails -- A.Bhanuchaitanya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Hi
Lou - Klamerus' frustration is not completely unwarranted. I answered that question in my reply to the list - did you read it? If not, there are three steps to take - fewer if you are successful. 1. Start an email from the account with which you subscribed to the list. You MUST send your unsubscribe request from the email address by which list mail is being rec'd. 2. Send a simple blank email from the account mentioned in step #1 to beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org 3. If you are not unsubscribed, please add in your requests for further help (as simply saying it doesn't work does not help people troubleshoot, as we all know too well): a. the email - including headers - that you sent to beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org b. any replies you may have rec'd from the list server, especially if they contain denials or errors. There you go. I am, c., Kristin P. S. I take quite to heart the belittling attitude found on so many tech lists. Bad attitude doesn't work from either direction, and yes, delivery matters. This is supposed to be a cooperative educational community, is it not? Sure, we should all RTFM, but some of us who have been forced to learn-or-get-laid-off simply lack the formal training to know which term to use in our search, or even to know which PERLDOC to read, have been shamed into silence by cruel responses. I am far beyond that now, but I remember it well. Furthermore, this list contains quite a few for whom English is not a first language. I am grateful to everyone here for being on the list and helping those who come to it for assistance. We all get frustrated with simplistic or repetitive questions, and people who don't even try should be told to try first, but very little besides a bully's ego is helped by mean replies. No? Thanks again, all of you, really. On Jan 10, 2013, at 3:36 PM, Lou Pereira louis.pere...@ptalc.com wrote: I beg to differ regarding your comment. I have been trying to be removed from this list for over a year to no avail. So, all knowledge one, how do we remove ourselves from this mail list? -Original Message- From: klamerus [mailto:klame...@earthlink.net] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 4:10 PM To: 'bhanu chaitanya abbaraju'; beginners@perl.org Subject: RE: Hi Since you clearly don't know how mailing lists work I'm afraid that's not possible. -Original Message- From: bhanu chaitanya abbaraju [mailto:bhanu.cha...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 2:04 PM To: beginners@perl.org Subject: Hi Please help me how can I stop perl emails -- A.Bhanuchaitanya -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Nature of this list
Speaking as someone who uses Perl for work, but is also an academic specializing in Chaucerian studies, and who divorced a man for his belief that his flaws were his flaws and that's just who he is and the whole world should just get over themselves: There is a lot to be said for delivery. You don't have to tell me that anything I have produced is a good attempt or in any other way mollycoddle me, as I am an adult. Nothing will be learned if we all require pussy-footed feedback. On the other hand, simply calling something bad, stupid or useless is also not going to contribute to anyone's betterment. Say that something is too verbose, and we will know that there is too much of it; say that something is convoluted and we will know that it is poorly organized; Say that something is lacking in checks and balances, and we will know that we need to add more logic to both our process and our program; say that something is insecure, and we will know to taint the bajeezus out of it. Give the brick you lob initially some real meaning and it can then guide our subsequent questions. If you must, and you don't mind being pigeon-holed with a bunch of other programmers into the how-sad-he-must-have-asspergers-I-wonder-if-he-has-friends category, go ahead and lace any meaningful criticism you might be kind enough to offer with mean(ingless) modifiers like bad or stupid. We will turn the other cheek, but also perhaps look the other way when we are having a day bad enough (or have internal issues delicate enough) that putting up with someone else's lack of people skills isn't worth the edification. Saying, however, that other people should cheerfully accept general, non-edifying asshattery, or rudeness that most adults - regardless of people-skill-level - can identify as such, simply because that is Who You(pl.) Are is as pointless as the rest of us not seeking help with our code. People and code are, at their best, both works in progress, no? The very fact that people volunteer their time on this list is honorable. Certainly, no volunteer would tell us not to attempt to better our code if there were call for it. I consider the occasional visit from the manners patrol as a worthy attempt by the group to get people to do the same with their own selves. I thank everyone on this list who has taught me something, but I must say that on this list I often wait for the stream to bring me answers I can use, rather than asking questions myself unless the situation or time constraints are dire. Bless. Kristin Nielsen Web Developer San Diego Zoo On 4/19/11 3:33 PM, Shawn H Corey wrote: On 11-04-19 06:25 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: If they don't have a thick skin already, they'd better get one soon, or they'll be useless as an advanced programmer. That's the stupidest thing I ever heard. PS: If you don't like my comment, grow a thick skin! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
