Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
> ""Mumia" == "Mumia W " writes: "Mumia> I apologize to the list owner and everyone else. There are several "Mumia> news-to-mail gateways that place onto beginners[at]perl.org, and they've been "Mumia> doing it for at least a year. The problem is on my end. "Mumia> A few simple additional filters will possibly do me well. If you filter "people who post via nntp.perl.org" from your list, you'll never see any of my comments. I use the nntp interface to all of lists.perl.org, to keep the excess traffic from my mail box. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/> Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/08/2007 07:57 AM, Peter Scott wrote: On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:54:16 -0500, Mumia W. wrote: Are you sure that's not nntp.perl.org? Thunderbird says it can't connect to news.perl.org, and nntp.perl.org does not seem to allow posting. You're right. I'm always making that mistake. No problem. And thanks for the hint about nntp.perl.org. It's a pretty good archive of the list. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On Wed, 06 Jun 2007 19:54:16 -0500, Mumia W. wrote: > Are you sure that's not nntp.perl.org? Thunderbird says it can't connect > to news.perl.org, and nntp.perl.org does not seem to allow posting. You're right. I'm always making that mistake. -- Peter Scott http://www.perlmedic.com/ http://www.perldebugged.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On Jun 7, 4:42 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mumia W.) wrote: > I hope that the list managers can stop Google's messages from making it > to the mailing list. Personally, I hope not. I'm one of those Luddites who uses Google Groups. I don't have a particular opinion about keeping usenet/mailing lists/ whatever somehow "pure" by allowing only certain access tools/avenues. Okay, maybe I do have an opinion, but it's not particularly strong. :-) If a group (generic group, not GG) is open to the public, you'll get a share of that public that you don't particularly like. I'll concede that Google Groups may make public access easier and thus increase the likelihood that undesirables will participate. Regards, -- Brad -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/07/2007 09:27 AM, Tom Yarrish via RT wrote:
On Jun 7, 2007, at 3:42 AM, Mumia W. wrote:
[...]
Before May 25, no messages with an "NNTP-Posting-Host" header
appeared on this list. After May 24, such messages started to
appear, and *all* of them have a User-Agent of "G2/1.0" (Google
Groups).
I'm assuming this is the source of the duplicate messages I asked
about a few weeks back?
Tom
Perhaps.
Many of the Google Groups messages seem to have a To: header like so:
To: beginners@perl.org, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That header was sampled from message id
<1180713180.391212.86030[at]g37g2000prf.googlegroups.com> ("at" symbol
munged to prevent Google munging).
That could explain some duplicates. However, some GG messages on this
list don't have perl-beginners[at]moderators.isc.org in the To: header,
so GG has another way of getting messages onto this list.
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Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Jun 7, 2007, at 3:42 AM, Mumia W. wrote: Only part is on my end*. I have to apologize again. I was right the first time. Something of significance with respect to Google Groups and beginners[at] perl.org happened on May 25th. Before May 25, no messages with an "NNTP-Posting-Host" header appeared on this list. After May 24, such messages started to appear, and *all* of them have a User-Agent of "G2/1.0" (Google Groups). I'm assuming this is the source of the duplicate messages I asked about a few weeks back? Tom -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (Darwin) iD8DBQFGaBV7ZWzkfeDiTw4RApPjAJ4oig/GJUbczYh/xvTOVNdMytk9LgCghS+Z ZlCnFnfY75PBzNn2ouRj3QM= =4jQs -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/06/2007 11:37 PM, Mumia W. wrote: On 06/06/2007 07:54 PM, Mumia W. wrote: [...] This seems to have started around the 23rd of May. No it didn't. I apologize to the list owner and everyone else. There are several news-to-mail gateways that place onto beginners[at]perl.org, and they've been doing it for at least a year. The problem is on my end. [...] Only part is on my end*. I have to apologize again. I was right the first time. Something of significance with respect to Google Groups and beginners[at]perl.org happened on May 25th. Before May 25, no messages with an "NNTP-Posting-Host" header appeared on this list. After May 24, such messages started to appear, and *all* of them have a User-Agent of "G2/1.0" (Google Groups). I've placed a CSV file and an Excel worksheet on my website; they demonstrate the timing of the change: http://home.earthlink.net/~mumia.w.18.spam/msgs3.csv http://home.earthlink.net/~mumia.w.18.spam/msgs3.xls I hope that the list managers can stop Google's messages from making it to the mailing list. * I was looking at my archive of debian-user when I concluded that there was no problem (Doh!) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/07/2007 01:30 AM, Dr.Ruud wrote: "Mumia W." schreef: nntp.perl.org does not seem to allow posting. To me it does. I don't know how reliable it is, but I have been posting and follow-upping :) via that server for quite some time now. Yes, I just noticed. Nntp.perl.org seems to impose a delay of a few hours, but the messages do make it. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
"Mumia W." schreef: > nntp.perl.org does not seem to allow posting. To me it does. I don't know how reliable it is, but I have been posting and follow-upping :) via that server for quite some time now. -- Affijn, Ruud "Gewoon is een tijger." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/06/2007 07:54 PM, Mumia W. wrote: [...] This seems to have started around the 23rd of May. No it didn't. I apologize to the list owner and everyone else. There are several news-to-mail gateways that place onto beginners[at]perl.org, and they've been doing it for at least a year. The problem is on my end. A few simple additional filters will possibly do me well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Usenet messages are appearing on beginners@perl.org [perl #43141]
On 06/06/2007 08:36 AM, Peter Scott wrote: On Tue, 05 Jun 2007 18:03:09 -0500, Mumia W. wrote: A horrible thing has happened recently. Messages from usenet seem to be appearing here. I remember that messages posted to the list were reflected to the newsgroup perl.beginners, but newsgroup posts to perl.beginners didn't seem to show up here. Now they do :_( I hope this is just a configuration mistake--not a change in policy. We definitely don't need usenet participants participating here. We have a pretty nice list. People are good to one another. Some of the junk that goes on on usenet doesn't need to happen here. People who want usenet should subscribe to usenet newsgroups. I shouldn't have to see usenet happen on a mailing list I like. Whoever is in charge, I implore you to change the configuration of the maillist so that these usenet message don't come here any more. Would you be more specific about how you have observed this and what you mean by Usenet? Google Groups posts to perl.beginners are showing up in the mailing list beginners[at]perl.org. I have been using a newsreader to read and post to this group ever since it was created, because like all the mailing lists hosted on perl.org, it is bidirectionally gatewayed with the NNTP server at news.perl.org. But that server does not, AFAICT, exchange articles with the global network known as Usenet. I just added news.perl.org to my pan server list. Are you sure that's not nntp.perl.org? Thunderbird says it can't connect to news.perl.org, and nntp.perl.org does not seem to allow posting. A few years ago, Google started picking up the perl.org mailing lists/newsgroups in Google Groups under the perl.* hierarchy. I imagine at that time it became possible to post to them from Google Groups as well, although I've never tried and have no evidence of it. I don't see anything 'recent' there. For whatever reasons, some usenet servers carry perl.beginners. Traditionally, posts to the perl.beginners newsgroup didn't appear in the mailing list. Now they do, and all such posts I've found have originated from Google. This seems to have started around the 23rd of May. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://learn.perl.org/
