RE: Pat Long's Health Disk
Janice, I'm glad that the disk helps! For those of you who don't know about it, it has all of the articles that are on my website, and a few others as well. It's $20 a diskette, or two for $30. All the money goes to educational efforts, or the Berner-L Education Fund. Pat Long, a babysat Maddie and Sadie, ( Luther) Berwyn PA
vegetables and fruit
Hi everyone, While at a farmer's market several years ago, I couldn't believe that I saw a Golden eating an apple. His mom told me that he loved them! Our boy, Oberon would not eat a vegetable or fruit to save his life, unless it was smothered in cheese (which kind of defeats the purpose I think). We were blessed to have Ob with us for ten years, but a clean vegetable or fruit never touched his lips. This life without a Berner just isn't how we want to live it, so we plan to have another precious boy to love someday. Including vegetables and fruit as part of an early diet, or using them as rewards while training, appeals to me. Am I dreaming to think that a baby Berner would consider a pea or small carrot a reward? Do those of you who give vegetables and fruits to your Berners serve them raw and/or cooked? What are some do's and don'ts? Ann Lee Fuller NYC Desperately missing my forever love boy, Oberon Baypaths Oberon V Tallpines, January 1993-January 2003
What is it about that word?
Histiocytic sarcoma and malignant histiocytosis (MH).. You know, it doesn't matter how often or how infrequently I read the dreaded MH words. Or even in what context. Every single time I get first teary and then start yelling ** B*d! in unbridled fury at my innocent computer screen. Scares the pants off anybody in the vicinity. It was SUCH a long, long time ago I lost my Romeo to the above. And yet it never gets any easier. Some things don't heal with time, do they? Not ever. Please support the histio raffle. PLEASE. Lavishly. Thank you. Michaela, Harvey Rupert Devon/UK
Re: vegetables and fruit
I wrote a while back...My Leonberger will very carefully uncover and spit out all of the apple in his mix. the 3 Berner boys will wait quietly until he is done, then run to scarf up all the apple. They love those tiny, baby carrots. No celery, please. jane heggen the boys of iowa - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 7:43 AM Subject: vegetables and fruit Hi everyone, While at a farmer's market several years ago, I couldn't believe that I saw a Golden eating an apple. His mom told me that he loved them! Our boy, Oberon would not eat a vegetable or fruit to save his life, unless it was smothered in cheese
raffle
a special thanks to all of you who responded to my request for back issues of the whole world journal. i got more responses than i had articles. but there will be more---i will be sending joye a check to honor all of you. i will put your names into the raffle. thanks again for sharing your libraries with me. andrea
cracked nose AND taking pills
Hi everyone, I find if one of my boys goes out for exercise his nose gets a lot of salt like substance on it that may make the nose appear to be cracked. I have learnt to always wash off the noses of my boys (with plain, clean water) when they get home and then they do not have this problem. And as for the questions about taking pills--I find giving them in a good dollup of peanut butter does the trick. Bernerly yours Pippa Antonio, Col, Toby and Ulysses in Washington DC __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com
Need a Vet
Hi L'ers, My daughter lives within driving distance of the following towns in PA and Maryland. Does anyone know of a good vet thereabouts?? Her dog is suffering from terrible arthritis in the leg hit by a car years ago. Shrewsbury, PA Hanover, PA Westminster, Maryland Thanks everyone! Maria Crifasi Catoctin Mountains, Maryland
Re: reverse sneezing-late response, but a good one.
Hi Kathy, Many thanks for the post! My old Lab, Babe Am Eskimo, Klondike go into reverse sneezing fits when there are a lot of allergens in the air (spring blossoms, etc). Will try the kelp and dessicated liver! For us all! Strangely, Sim and Barney have both developed bit runny eyes, and I have been normal sneezing a lot! So much pollen in the air at the moment, a glorious - very strangely above normal temperatures - Springtime where all the blossom is coming out at once! Maybe Barney was trying to tell me something when he was trashing those daffodils! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm
fruits and vegetables
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RE: Intro and Histiocytic Sarcoma
Hi Anna, I recently lost an eight year old bitch for other reasons but a few years ago we discovered a tumour on her elbow. She was not lame and using the leg normally and amputation is not a choice I would consider. The tumour was suspicious of being a fibroma which could be easily removed or a fibrosarcoma which would have required amputation, I elected to leave well enough alone. After her demise there was a post mortem examination and the tumour on her elbow was removed and sent for analysis. The diagnosis came back as an histiocytic sarcoma. My vet told me that in her case I had made a good choice to leave things as they were because this type of tumour is not known for aggressive metastes and because of the location surgery would have been difficult and in all likliehood full exicision not acheived in which case it would have become aggressive. There was no evidence of any malignancies in her thorax and abdominal cavity. If your vet was able to secure the complete removal of the tumour by removing her spleen you should be able to anticipate spending some more time with her. This type of malignancy is not as aggressive as histiocytosis. All the best Rose T.
Tracking, Puppies and the Lucky Green Socks
In the interest of letting people know what is possible with a puppy and a pair of the lucky green socks, I must share my latest news with my fellow l'ers As some of you may know, before a dog can enter a tracking test to attempt to earn the TD (Tracking Dog) a dog must past a certification test. The certification test is essentially the same as the tracking test except just one judge is present (instead of two) and it is done on an informal basis. So when a person believes the dog is ready, one calls a tracking judge and sets up the certification test. It is typically 450-500 yards long with 3-5 turns and aged at least 30 minutes. I start tracking with my puppies very early and so Halo was about 9 weeks when we started our training in December. One of the people who owns one of Halo's littermates thought tracking sounded intriguing and although she had never seen it or even heard of it, she joined us in the training sessions. So we worked with Bella and Halo over the winter, and Bella's mom learned to be a very good handler. Last Sunday, at the age of five months and ten days, Bella passed her certification test. I attribute this to Joan's great handling, one very smart puppy, and the fact that I was wearing the lucky green socks. Yesterday I put back on the lucky green socks and headed off at the appointed time -- I am happy to report that thanks to another smart puppy and the lucky green socks, Halo passed her certification test (at 5.5 months :). I love tracking with puppies because they learn quickly and enjoy it so much. It is a low key, fun activity and helps the puppy learn how to learn, so it is a nice foundation for other training endeavors. Bella and Halo are entered in a tracking test the day they turn six months (April 20), which is the minimum age that a dog can enter a tracking test. Whether they get their TD's on that first try or not, we have had fun training our puppies and the puppies have enjoyed using their working ability. I know that a lot of berner-l folks have young dogs, and I just want to offer a friendly reminder that these are working dogs and it is big fun for all when puppies and owners get together and work :) As an added bonus, tracking (and other training) tires the puppy out and we all know that a tired puppy is a very good puppy! Mary-Ann Bowman Utah Halo -- Queen for the Day (or maybe two) Abra, VCD1 (TD, CD, NA, NAJ) CDX, OA, DD, CGC (proud mother of the Queen for the Day) Maize, VCD1, OA, DD, CGC Emma, CDX, DD, retired
Fw: Please Help! Another Basset of mine has Histiocytosis
Forwarded from Rita who found the Histio Roll Call Site I live in Lancaster, California and I don't think the vet has had many cases like this. If you can help, are in the area! Message below! I have replied privately! All love, Jean, Sunny, Simmy, Barney and the Gang X http://www.angelfire.com/anime3/longlease/index.htm - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 05 April 2003 19:22 Subject: Please Help! Another Basset of mine has Histiocytosis Dear Jean: I am so lost and don't know where to go with this. Last year I lost my first basset hound, Festus, to canine histiocytosis. He died 2 weeks before turning 10 yrs. old. He had 1 litter of puppies and I kept one. Her name is Snoozy. She just turned 6 yrs. old. 2 years ago she contracted Valley Fever, was put on medication and sailed thru that with no return of the disease. She recently started to have the nodules appear over her back and one on her muzzle which the vet removed and sent to pathology. Last night the vet called to say that it looks like histiocytosis. I live in Lancaster, California and I don't think the vet has had many cases like this. Festus was put on prednisone as the vet stated it was subcutaneous histiocytosis. She stated that if it became systemic, then it would be terminal. I was left with the idea we had it under control, but 3 months later he woke up with labored breathing and x rays shoed 2 large growths in his abdominal cavity and 1 large mass in his lungs that left only one quater of one lung left to breath with. I took him home for one last night with me and then helped him cross over to the bridge the next day. That was in October of 2002 and I am still grieving over his loss. Now Snoozy! How can I know if this is subcutaneous and has not gone to become systemic for her? Is it only a matter of time before it does become systemic? The vet said when I bring her in next week for her stitches to be removed, that we would try a more aggressive form of medication but nothing that would take away quality of life. I take that statement as her telling me that Snoozy does not have very long to live. I will talk to her more Tuesday on this. How long might I have with Snoozy? Can she live for very long if on medication? I am so confused with this disease. My bassets are my only children and I love them so much. If you can help in any way, I would be most Thankful. Sincerely, Rita Dluzak
Roached Back
I'm just back from an 8 day vacation and Mercedes has her head down and her back roached, walks on toes with legs close together and head down. She was fine when I picked her up at the kennel. I can't remember if this is a cervical disc issue or something else. Suggestions anyone? Susan Kowitz, Mercedes, and Bentley Sequim, WA
Roached Back - p.s.
Forgot to mention I did give her 2 Phazyme tablets in case it's gas. Susan I'm just back from an 8 day vacation and Mercedes has her head down and her back roached, walks on toes with legs close together and head down. She was fine when I picked her up at the kennel. I can't remember if this is a cervical disc issue or something else. Susan Kowitz, Mercedes, and Bentley
RE:taking pills
From: Pippa Antonio And as for the questions about taking pills--I find giving them in a good dollup of peanut butter does the trick. Pippa.I told my vet that my guys loved their pills in peanut butter, and he said something about the fat in the peanut butter made it hard for the pills to be digested.? Has anyone heard that? I hated to give that up, because it WAS the easiest way to give pills. I have to resort to holding a stinky treat in my left hand while opening their mouth and stuffing the pill way down with the right hand, and then stroking the throat while holding mouth closed. They get the treat as soon as they swallow the pill. Suzanne Deering (Socrates, almost ten yr old berner and Bagley, eleven yr half basset) High Point NC
RE: fruits and vegetables
Lory, Colonel LOVES carrots! Raw baby carrots, which I eat right out of the bag. Ditto apples. I have one of those devices that core the apple and cut it into eigths, and he gets the core. He also loves oranges **For a dog to benefit from veggies they must be ground or cook (not as healthy). Fed raw and whole they pass through the dogs digestive tract too quickly for them to absorb any nutrients. Tomatoes get a big patoouie Onions sometimes get chewed before being simply dropped. **Onions should NEVER be fed to dogs. They cause anemia. But potatoes. . . . h, the lovely potato! He crowds my feet and veritably LEAPS on a hapless piece of potato that falls. **Those in the know recommend cooking white potatoes for dogs but sweet potatoes and yam can be fed raw/ground and are excellent. But never, never, NEVER, EVER give a dog cabbage. **Why do you say this? Cabbage is great for dogs. I routinely (and lots of others) grind cabbage and/or romaine lettuce for my dogs. Except for Chocolate and Onions, most any food/veggie is good for dogs. Sandie Hawkins
RE:taking pills with peanut butter
Pippa.I told my vet that my guys loved their pills in peanut butter, and he said something about the fat in the peanut butter made it hard for the pills to be digested.? Are you giving the pills with a spoonful of Natural ground peanut butter, or Skippy? A teaspoon of real, natural ground peanut butter, 3-4 times per day, depending on your dogs pill requirements should not cause a problem. Commercially processed peanut butters, such as Skippy and Peter Pan contain sugars, and partially hydrogentated vegetable oils (rapeseed, cottonseed and soybean). Having dealt with a dog who needed multiple pills per day, I'd go with whatever he enjoyed! We exhausted wrapped in cheese, and surrounded by steak. There is something about the licking of the peanut butter that discourages them from just eating the goods and spitting out the pills. Does anyone have information on the digestibility of pills if taken with fats??? I thought the peanut butter on a spoon what the end-all, be-all of pill taking! Janice Parky North Truro, MA
Re: taking pills with peanut butter
Low-fat cream cheese works for us! (Although generally my dogs will scarf down anything, especially if you accidentally drop it on the floor!) Anne with Maddie and Titan Cranford, NJ In a message dated 4/5/2003 10:28:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pippa.I told my vet that my guys loved their pills in peanut butter, and he said something about the fat in the peanut butter made it hard for the pills to be digested.? Are you giving the pills with a spoonful of Natural ground peanut butter, or Skippy? A teaspoon of real, natural ground peanut butter, 3-4 times per day, depending on your dogs pill requirements should not cause a problem. Commercially processed peanut butters, such as Skippy and Peter Pan contain sugars, and partially hydrogentated vegetable oils (rapeseed, cottonseed and soybean). Having dealt with a dog who needed multiple pills per day, I'd go with whatever he enjoyed! We exhausted wrapped in cheese, and surrounded by steak. There is something about the licking of the peanut butter that discourages them from just eating the goods and spitting out the pills. Does anyone have information on the digestibility of pills if taken with fats??? I thought the peanut butter on a spoon what the end-all, be-all of pill taking! Janice Parky North Truro, MA
veggies fruit
Think our two would eat just about anything... I have given raw carrots, cabbage, broccoli, spinach, sweet potato, etc. Fruits; pears, apples, pineapple, bananas, peaches... and so it goes. I do use the food processor add to their meals, but also use as treats. Think we all know, no onion ever. They have also tried a CD, underwear, magazines, and my favorite wool clogs. Didn't mention just nibbles on the coffee table... Jeanne
RE:taking pills
We find liverwurst is a sure fire way to get the dogs to love taking pills. We take a small spoon of liverwurst and sort of wrap it around the pill and down the hatch it goes. Ray Pat Burgett Eaglecap Bernese Talee,Lexi,Bell, Shadow Max www.goodbernerfood.com http://users.eoni.com/~eaglecap/
