Re: Had Enough (What?)Long

[MnTwhalen]

In a message dated 3/9/2003 10:11:50 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 I'm confused---what in this profile indicates that she would not be a good
  berner owner ?
  - Original Message -
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 5:21 PM
  Subject: Re: Had Enough (What?)
  
  
   I find this a disturbing email when you look at the AOL profile for the
   sender. Below is what I found.
  
   **Name: If you're Italian, you'll read it in the screen name
   **Location: Colorado
   **Sex:  Female
   **Marital Status:   beautifully single
   **Hobbies  Interests:  I'm very social and love to make new friends.
   **Visiting my neighborhood bar, playing pool, watching football and
  **hockey,
   receiving flowers and phone calls from that special someone, **weekend
   getaways, vacations in mexico and vegas - and oh yeah - **hot tubs!
   **Favorite Gadgets: Varies
   **Occupation:   Numerous
   **Personal Quote:   Know who you are and always know who you're **dealing
   with.

Her post to the BernerL:
I am an avid dog lover and always dreamed of welcoming a berner into my 
family.  However, the experiences I have encountered in speaking with 
breeders is discouraging.  I am a professional, successful woman, mother of 
three healthy, well taken care of children and am looked at questionably by 
the interviews I've held so far.  I desire a family pet to love, cherish 
and include in my Highlands Ranch, CO lifestyle.  I am not on welfare, take 
drugs, or leave my children for endless periods of time.  However, my 
ability 
to be a competent bernese owner is under scrutiny.  I am now saddened and 
disappointed that I may have to either resort to a puppy mill or chose an 
entirely different breed in order to provide a loving home for a new family 
member. What exactly are you looking for anyway?


My statements were comparing the Profile with the senders original post to 
the BernerL. I get an impression of two different types of people.
If I mix the two together I get something like this.

Name: Unsigned and Italian (you figure it out)
Location: Colorado and Highland Ranch, CO
Sex: Female and Successful Woman
Marital status: Beautifully Single and Mother of three healthy children
Hobbies and Interests: Very social, Makes new friends, visits neighborhood 
bar, Plays pool, watches football and hockey, receives flowers and phone 
calls from special someone, Weekend getaways, vacations in Mexico and Vegas, 
... avid Dog lover, Professional, Mother of three, not on drugs, doesn't 
leave children for endless periods of time,
What exactly are you looking for anyway?

All of this sounds like an interesting woman who has been saddened by the 
cold treatment from breeders that won't allow her a dog. I have been unable 
to explain the different impression I got from the profile and the BernerL 
post. When I tried to respond to a personal email from her that stated I 
must say that I've received some very positive e -mails in regard to my first 
posting; however, your correspondence has caused me to be completely turned 
off by my experiences. She had blocked my email. I hope that she would allow 
more Breeders to get to know the real person by visiting shows and club 
functions or keeping lines of communication open. 
Sorry if I came off as one of the Snob Berner People. I am really a nice guy, 
likes Hugs, spending time with my sweetie, Father of Three, Professional 
Master Mechanic, and belong to Two Berner Boys.

Mike Whalen
Dixon, CA

Re: Had Enough (What?)Long

[Sylvia Katvala]

Mike,

I have personally a big problem with people not signing their emails. This
was not directed toward you, because you signed yours properly:)
The person who said people didn't do this and that, well if I get an email
without a signature, it goes directly into the trash.

Here we have a person, who complains about breeders. Well it sounded to me
she/he was just trying to steer the pot, so to speak.

I send the person a private email with the rules of the list, but didn't
heard back.

So if people wonder why they are not treated nice, they may have to look
what they are doing that causes this behavior.

Sylvia Katvala
Tucson, AZ

Re: Had Enough (What?)Long

[Seleya8]

In a message dated 3/9/2003 4:49:06 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
writes: 
 
 Mike,
 
 I have personally a big problem with people not signing their emails. This
 was not directed toward you, because you signed yours properly:)
 The person who said people didn't do this and that, well if I get an email
 without a signature, it goes directly into the trash.
 
 Here we have a person, who complains about breeders. Well it sounded to me
 she/he was just trying to steer the pot, so to speak.
 
 I send the person a private email with the rules of the list, but didn't
 heard back.
 
 So if people wonder why they are not treated nice, they may 
 have to look
 what they are doing that causes this behavior.
 
Maybe she was stirring the pot, maybe she wasn't. It sounded to me like a person who 
was frustrated and asked a question. 

A question many people ask after encountering a number of breeders who come across a 
certain way whether they intend to or not. Instead of getting much feedback and 
discussion, she was judged by her AOL profile. LOL!!! Which, BTW, pretty much 
reflected what she stated about herself (got the state right, her sex, and she has 
interests outside sitting home and judging others) Also, she had the added benefit of 
receiving a copy of list rules, will get her mail in the trash etc. just because she 
forgot or neglected to sign her mail. (how many of us have done that?) She came to us 
with a question -- innocent or not there are sure to be other people on this list on a 
regular basis with the exact same questions. The replies she got in some cases from 
where I'm sitting on the sidelines *were* judgemental or snotty whether *that* was 
initially intentional or not. What sort of message are *we* sending with this 
attitude? 

Pet shops don't do that -- they stroke people looking at their wares. They thank us 
for repelling otherwise good homes directly into their lair

We may have to look at what *we're* doing that causes this behaviour.

No flames intended, just my perspective.

All my hopes,

Vicky and the Horde =P~
my AOL profile is public for your scrutiny
my patience is thin for *private* flamers (been there before with this list for 
observations much less compelling) =b