Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Compilation bug again? 7.6.0 - r31691
I can confirm this is NOT a problem with Squeezebox Server 7.5.3 - r31741. -- verypsb 1x Boom, 1x Classic, 2x Duet, 1x Touch Please vote for bug 16791 verypsb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17295 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84475 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
>my understanding is that sqlite will be faster, the default, That is unconfirmed. In my experience, MySQL in 7.5.3 is at least as fast as SQLite in 7.6. Remember, the built-in instance of MySQL in 7.5.x has not been optimised - running a separate MySQL instance with optimised settings can vastly improve 7.5.x performance. I think 7.6 has made other general optimisations, and no-one has a working MySQL in 7.6 to make a comparison. >won't need an external separate process, That is neither a pro or con. I have MySQL running as a separate process (not controlled by SBS), as it then doesn't need to be stopped/restarted when SBS is restarted, so startup performance is faster. >and will eliminate AV and win defender type issues That appears to be true. I've not had much trouble myself, and not a problem that SBS/Logitech need to fix - users need to configure their AV/firewall packages to work properly. They should be unobtrusive. There's no reason why a user couldn't experience similar issues with SQLite - after all the DB engine still writes data to a file, and an AV/firewall suite could complain about that. i.e. I think SQLite has an option to run locked/not locked; if it is locked, an AV scanner may not be able to read the content and complain. Phil ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
>In my opinion, Logitech should really just say that only SQLite will be >supported in 7.6, it's pretty obvious that only SQLite is going to work >if they don't prioritize MySQL bugs. So in a scenario like this, why >even give users a choice ? > In my opinion, MySQL is much nicer, especially for development (better tools, can probe content whilst SBS is using the DB, better for optimising). It's much more likely to be suitable for larger libraries. There really shouldn't be much involved for Logitech to provide both (after all, MySQL was working, SQLite should be additional), but agree that helpdesk support perhaps only support one. i.e. allow power users can continue to use MySQL, but by default use SQLite. >Not sure SQLite is faster, besides the scanner, 7.6 is faster than 7.5 >but that's also related to other changes, especially related to the >scanning process. > SBS shouldn't be heavy on DB access. I think performance problems are due to iffy SQL, or not DB issues (eg. file access, reading tags, etc). >I assume Logitech is resonably convinced that SQLite will work good >enough in the largest library they like to support, so this means that >the first point isn't an issue. > I don't see much evidence of comparitive testing. I think the main reason is due to Tiny SBS for Touch. SQLite was made for that environment, and thus reversed engineered into full SBS. If it wasn't for that, there would have been little reasons to switch database engine (again). To me, Tiny SBS = reduced functionality = use SQLite. Full SBS = MySQL. >To me this means that there is really >no reason for them to support MySQL at all, it just takes up valuable >development time that could be used to correct other bugs. To me, the development time has already been spent - MySQL integrated and working well/reliably in 7.5.x. SQLite is what has/is taking valuable development time, and not working well yet (with my experience of 7.6). There should be little to do with supporting MySQL, as it is already supported. When 7.6 is released, does that mean that helpdesk support will not answer support questions for 7.5.x and tell users they have to upgrade? >My suggestion the the community is just to accept SQLite, it's here to >stay and it's a lot better than it was a few years back. > If there were some comparitive results, showing usage with a big library, such as timing stats and memory usage, and 7.6 was working reliably enough to check that there were no other issues, such as character encoding issues, then it would be easier to accept. For me, MySQL is working well in 7.5, and there is no reason for me to need SQLite, which seems to be working less well. >Let's focus on the music related stuff which really matters instead of >technical issues like this which don't have any impact on our music >listening experience. > I'd actually prefer if Logitech focusses on making a stable platform, providing an extensible framework. I really don't think we'll ever see drastic changes in music browsing capabilities, and never with the same level of features that come from third-party plugins. Providing better development support to make creation of plugins easier is more likely to provide better power user facilities. Changing database engine should be easy with this app. There's hardly any difference in SQL queries, just how the DB is created and generally accessed. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
>obviously isn't an option since MySQL costs a lot for Logitech support >staff due to problems with antivirus software. I don't know if that is true any more. There were problems with Microsoft Security Essentials under Windows XP, but I haven't seen any reports in forum for ages. Newer versions seem to have fixed the issue? Are there really many people that report that issue still? I never really had an issue (I had to set up an exception, but it just worked for me after that). ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Migrating to 7.6
Phil please go and give http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15932 a vote and add a comment about version and platform/OS -- slate Main: Duet (Audiocom) -> Beresford Caiman -> Carver A-500x -> B&W 704 Office: Duet -> Technics SU-V50 -> Stax SR84 Pro Server: Zotac IONITX-A, 4 GB, 1 TB WD EADS, Win7 w. 7.6 (SQLite w. High Mem) Tied together by D-Link DIR-655 + DGS-1008D slate's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=30502 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84775 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
Philip Meyer;602562 Wrote: > >obviously isn't an option since MySQL costs a lot for Logitech support > >staff due to problems with antivirus software. > I don't know if that is true any more. There were problems with > Microsoft Security Essentials under Windows XP, but I haven't seen any > reports in forum for ages. Newer versions seem to have fixed the > issue? Are there really many people that report that issue still? > > I never really had an issue (I had to set up an exception, but it just > worked for me after that). You still see antivirus issues every week. And to the general qestion MySQL is badly broken for me. On rpm Linux . If I shift to MySQL I can not complete a scan at all. -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH and assorted amps SiriuS, Classe' Primare and Dynadio speakers, Contour 4 Contour Center, and Contour 1.3SE rear ch. Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) PLEASE FIX BUG 112 http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=112 Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84697 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] Migrating to 7.6
>Phil please go and give >http://bugs.slimdevices.com/show_bug.cgi?id=15932 a vote and add a >comment about version and platform/OS > I think Andy is fully aware that auto-detect changes doesn't work with WinXP and is planning to give it an overhaul. I just think it should be disabled by default, and by disabled I mean totally disabled. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
Philip Meyer;602559 Wrote:
>
>
> >Let's focus on the music related stuff which really matters instead
> of
> >technical issues like this which don't have any impact on our music
> >listening experience.
> >
> I'd actually prefer if Logitech focusses on making a stable platform,
> providing an extensible framework. I really don't think we'll ever see
> drastic changes in music browsing capabilities, and never with the same
> level of features that come from third-party plugins. Providing better
> development support to make creation of plugins easier is more likely to
> provide better power user facilities.
>
I can't disagree with you regarding this but things that are related to
third party plugins almost always gets low priority already today.
I would love if Logitech focused on making a stable core and made it
easy to enhance it with third party plugins. To make it easy to enhance
it with third party plugins, it's important to also take the QA time of
the third party developer into account. It will be easier for the third
party developers if they only have to verify their plugins with one
configuration.
Philip Meyer;602559 Wrote:
>
> Changing database engine should be easy with this app. There's hardly
> any difference in SQL queries, just how the DB is created and generally
> accessed.
>
As you say, the SQL isn't a big problem, even with my plugins which
heavily depends on native SQL most things work with both databases.
I might be wrong but I believe the main difference is not in the SQL,
the main difference is related to in-process database or a database
that runs as separate process.
Logitech has taken advantage of the in-process paradigm of SQLite to
get a more effective system and this makes it more complicated to also
support MySQL.
The big problem is the time it takes to do QA on two databases. This
effectively duplicates the testing time on some parts of the system. If
Logitech only do QA on one of the databases the other one isn't going to
work reliably. This is also pretty much what Andy's statement mean, it's
just that most people doesn't seem to understand it. To make MySQL
unusable, it's enough if Logitech decides to not prioritize one
important MySQL bug. To me it's obvious that it's going to be bugs left
if Logitech doesn't think MySQL is a priority.
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[SlimDevices: Beta] Missing album art in recent build
There is no album art - on ANY of my albums - inside the playlist view [7.6 build 31738 from January 13th] +---+ |Filename: Missing Art.jpg | |Download: http://forums.slimdevices.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=11162| +---+ -- michael123 Big 'thank you' to AndyG for fixing #15209, #15693, #16442, #16760 :) michael123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23745 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84797 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
Philip Meyer;602562 Wrote: > > I don't know if that is true any more. There were problems with > Microsoft Security Essentials under Windows XP, but I haven't seen any > reports in forum for ages. Newer versions seem to have fixed the > issue? MSE definitely still has problems with mysql under Vista, until you add an exception. I recently moved my Vista box from AVG to MSE and ran into problems with SBS stopping during a scan. Took me a couple of hours to realise what the problem was. Had I been a less techy user I no doubt would have had to take up valuable Logitech support resources to fix it. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=84697 ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
Re: [SlimDevices: Beta] It's been months, can we get 2 fundamental bugs addressed in 7.6 already
>MSE definitely still has problems with mysql under Vista, until you add >an exception. > I thought Microsoft had fixed the issue; sounds like they fixed their bug with exceptions not working though. I guess that when Logitech moved from SQLite to MySQL many years ago, there weren't any problems, and then a new security product came along that doesn't play nice with MySQL. But the same thing could happen for any product on any OS. It's a feature of security software that they can cause problems. SQLite could have an issue on one particular OS with one particular anti-virus package in the future, just in the same way as MySQL has with Windows and MSE. Supporting the two DB engines can't be all that different to supporting yet another flavour of operating system. eg. SBS has various OS-specific bits. ___ beta mailing list beta@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/beta
