Re: [Bf-committers] Color management broken?
Nothing is broken here. All the float images are saving in scene linear space by intention. Adding a way to save in different color space is in TODO list. On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 7:38 AM, Troy Sobotka troy.sobo...@gmail.com wrote: Is there a reason that the color management transforms do not work on EXR files saves? Seems broken. With respect, TJS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- With best regards, Sergey Sharybin ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Patch [#36028] New 4-column layout for the editor-type-selector menu...
I think the visual dividers are a big help, and agree with Michael they could be a bit dimmer. I'll patch this and see if the dividers are enough (subjectively) to get over the flip-flopping confusion. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Harley Acheson harley.ache...@gmail.comwrote: Short of a big overhall, there are also simple things we can do. The following shows the current menu on the left. On the right there has been some margin added to the left of the icons so they are not scrunched against the left. The separators are made a lot less invisible, and are not extended to the edges. http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=55110 ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Patch [#36028] New 4-column layout for the editor-type-selector menu...
Not sure if you want to put the effort into coding a simple test program - but it could be very informative. It could/should work online - basically, it would populate randomly the different menu types that you propose, but with random arbitrary words instead of the 'known language' of Blender. On clicking a 'test' button, The program would then give you a random word that appears on the list, and then measure how long it takes you to click the actual word within the menu and log that to a database/spreadsheet. With a tool like this we could make some actual data-driven UI decisions instead of conjecture over which way is better. (Given the spread of who is for changes and who is against, I have a feeling that the preference has strongly to do whether you are a left brained person or a right brained person.) -Sean On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 3:34 AM, David Jeske dav...@gmail.com wrote: I think the visual dividers are a big help, and agree with Michael they could be a bit dimmer. I'll patch this and see if the dividers are enough (subjectively) to get over the flip-flopping confusion. On Sun, Jul 7, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Harley Acheson harley.ache...@gmail.com wrote: Short of a big overhall, there are also simple things we can do. The following shows the current menu on the left. On the right there has been some margin added to the left of the icons so they are not scrunched against the left. The separators are made a lot less invisible, and are not extended to the edges. http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=55110 ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers -- ||-- Instant Messengers -- || ICQ at 11133295 || AIM at shatterstar98 || MSN Messenger at shatte...@hotmail.com || Yahoo Y! at the_7th_samuri ||-- ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Patch [#36028] New 4-column layout for the editor-type-selector menu...
Sorry, I wasn't trying to derail the talk of a multi-column menu. I was just trying to add that our layout sometimes works against quickly reading and understanding. In the following example, the only things that have changed is the padding between the left edge and the icons, the space between the icons and the text, and the brightness of the separator lines. Those lines should not extend edge-to-edge. http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=55137 Our menus need padding like that, especially to give the icons some breathing room. Cheers, Harley ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Color management broken?
On Jul 7, 2013 11:50 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: Adding a way to save in different color space is in TODO list. Would it not be the equivalent as to all of the other formats? If we use the View as Render option on a JPEG for example, it applies. On an EXR, it doesn't. Is it not reasonable to trust an artist to apply a correct transform? With respect, TJS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Color management broken?
Sergey, It is crucial that the artist have the option to save EXRs with the color transform chain directed by the artist. Without this, it severely limits the ability to use EXR as a image interchange format between blender and other parts of the pipeline. Sincerely, Andrew On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Troy Sobotka troy.sobo...@gmail.comwrote: On Jul 7, 2013 11:50 PM, Sergey Sharybin sergey@gmail.com wrote: Adding a way to save in different color space is in TODO list. Would it not be the equivalent as to all of the other formats? If we use the View as Render option on a JPEG for example, it applies. On an EXR, it doesn't. Is it not reasonable to trust an artist to apply a correct transform? With respect, TJS ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Patch [#36028] New 4-column layout for the editor-type-selector menu...
@Sean - The test program you describe would tell us about new-user usability, but would not tell us about expert usability. While I would value these results, I suspect they would not be very convincing to existing users. Expert/everyday data can be gathered by putting usage-tracking/timing directly into the application. Then we can visualize frequency/timing of use over any users submitting usage data. This might be worth doing, as it's generally just small hooks inside some core menu code. However, to learn much about comparative designs, you then need to do A/B testing, where different users get different UIs (randomly or selectively). Our userbase is a bit small for this, and I think basic automatic crash/usage reporting would be a better/simpler first step. @Gaia - My concern is not only for myself, but for general default ui usability. Adding customization does not change usability for most users. I also think other areas of the UI are more ripe for customization, such as the header-bar controls, particularly the info-header. @ any unconvinced - I highly recommend you *try* the proposed 3/4 column menus for a couple days before you draw a conclusion about which you would prefer. It's quite alarming how much easier it is to find things (even for expert users) once entries stop moving around. ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Patch [#36028] New 4-column layout for the editor-type-selector menu...
I realized after sending that last email that I would probably use even more margin around the icons, and it looks best if the separators do not extend between them. Like this: http://www.pasteall.org/pic/show.php?id=55157 Cheers, Harley ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] error building with cuda, r57982
hi You can search online for solutions to that error. Something like this answer could work: i tried that solution and it didn't work, there is even an vcvarsx86_amd64.bat file which i think it is the one is needed, tried to rename to vcvarsx64.bat but the same. i searched and didn't found any results on the matter! Seems to be a problem with mingw scons settings. the only setting in my config file is enabling the cuda binaries. Regards Yousef Harfoush ba...@msn.com ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
