Re: [Bf-committers] Proxy Removal for Blender 3.0

[Hadrien Brissaud via Bf-committers]

Alright, good to see this is known already. For clarity's sake, by
"overriding material" I didn't mean changing individual node properties and
connections and such, but linking a completely different material on the
object (usually a copy of the linked one). I didn't actually expect
overrides to the node tree topology/properties to be supported, that sounds
awfully complex. It is probably simpler to approach "material variations on
linked assets" through drivers between the object's custom properties and
its material, which so far doesn't work either -this is something that I
tried during production and eventually resorted to local materials because
those drivers would fail upon linking the character.

Thanks for your reply, have a good evening

Hadrien


On Wed, 22 Sept 2021 at 10:43, Bastien Montagne via Bf-committers <
bf-committers@blender.org> wrote:

> Hi Hadrien,
>
> Thanks for the feedback. Yes overrides of materials are still very
> unreliable, this is due to how materials are weirdly related to both
> Object and ObData IDs... not to mention that there is currently almost
> nothing overridable in materials anyway, so you would need to rely on
> tricks (drivers and custom properties) to get some properties editable etc.
>
> Time was lacking to address this issue for 3.0, it is a known TODO for
> the near future, together with some other annoying limitations.
>
> All development on liboverrides happens in master currently, no branch
> to try out.
>
> Cheers,
> Bastien
>
> On 9/21/21 7:15 PM, Hadrien Brissaud wrote:
> > Hi Bastien,
> >
> > as a user I am generally happy with overrides (thanks!!), except when
> > I need to override a material. Last I tested the behaviour was rather
> > unpredictable : an override was -seemingly- created, but on file
> > reload it would revert to the linked material instead, and the
> > override button was inoperative (greyed out). I will give this a round
> > of testing with latest master tonight, unless there is a specific
> > branch I should check out ? I'm a bit out of the loop.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Hadrien
> >
> > On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:32, Bastien Montagne via Bf-committers
> > mailto:bf-committers@blender.org>> wrote:
> >
> > Hi fellow users & developers
> >
> > Now that library overrides gained maturity and are production
> > ready in
> > the 'character animation' case (where they replace the old 'proxy'
> > system), it is time to think about removing those proxies.
> >
> > Plan is to commit in the coming days the following changes:
> >   - Add auto-conversion of proxies into library overrides on file
> > load;
> >   - Remove the 'make proxy' operator.
> >
> > For the time being, an option (OFF by default) will be added to the
> > 'Experimental' part of the User Preferences to skip converting
> > existing
> > proxies on file load. That way it is still possible to force keeping
> > proxies if absolutely necessary, and/or for test purposes.
> >
> > If everything goes well this option will be removed towards the
> > end of
> > BCon2 (end of October 2021). Full cleanup of internal proxy
> > evaluation
> > and management code can then happen during BCon1 of Blender 3.1.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Bastien
> >
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[Bf-committers] bcon2 moved to September 29, 2021

[Dalai Felinto via Bf-committers]

Hi,
Today we had the meeting in #blender-coders about bcon2 targets [1].

To make sure there is enough time to finish the main targets, we agreed to
move bcon2 for another week on 29/Sep. At that day same time, same place
this can be confirmed [2].

Here is the list of the blocking targets

* User interface changes (e.g., T91536).
* Geometry Nodes Fields.
* Asset Browser material support (catalogs + material de-duplication).
* Grease Pencil - split weight modifier in two.

The non-blocking targets:
===
* Full canvas compositor status (goal for 3.0 is no end-user change)
* XR event support, controller drawings and viewport navigation
* Clip Editor tools.
* UV improvements (GSoC project).
* Knife improvements (GSoC project).
* Generic pose slider color

[1] -
https://lists.blender.org/pipermail/bf-committers/2021-September/051145.html
[2] - 11:00 AM CEST #blender-coders no blender.chat

Until next week,
-Dalai-

Dalai Felinto - da...@blender.org - www.blender.org
Blender Development Coordinator
Buikslotermeerplein 161, 1025 ET Amsterdam, the Netherlands
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Re: [Bf-committers] Proxy Removal for Blender 3.0

[Bastien Montagne via Bf-committers]

Hi Hadrien,

Thanks for the feedback. Yes overrides of materials are still very 
unreliable, this is due to how materials are weirdly related to both 
Object and ObData IDs... not to mention that there is currently almost 
nothing overridable in materials anyway, so you would need to rely on 
tricks (drivers and custom properties) to get some properties editable etc.


Time was lacking to address this issue for 3.0, it is a known TODO for 
the near future, together with some other annoying limitations.


All development on liboverrides happens in master currently, no branch 
to try out.


Cheers,
Bastien

On 9/21/21 7:15 PM, Hadrien Brissaud wrote:

Hi Bastien,

as a user I am generally happy with overrides (thanks!!), except when 
I need to override a material. Last I tested the behaviour was rather 
unpredictable : an override was -seemingly- created, but on file 
reload it would revert to the linked material instead, and the 
override button was inoperative (greyed out). I will give this a round 
of testing with latest master tonight, unless there is a specific 
branch I should check out ? I'm a bit out of the loop.


Cheers,

Hadrien

On Tue, 21 Sept 2021 at 16:32, Bastien Montagne via Bf-committers 
mailto:bf-committers@blender.org>> wrote:


Hi fellow users & developers

Now that library overrides gained maturity and are production
ready in
the 'character animation' case (where they replace the old 'proxy'
system), it is time to think about removing those proxies.

Plan is to commit in the coming days the following changes:
  - Add auto-conversion of proxies into library overrides on file
load;
  - Remove the 'make proxy' operator.

For the time being, an option (OFF by default) will be added to the
'Experimental' part of the User Preferences to skip converting
existing
proxies on file load. That way it is still possible to force keeping
proxies if absolutely necessary, and/or for test purposes.

If everything goes well this option will be removed towards the
end of
BCon2 (end of October 2021). Full cleanup of internal proxy
evaluation
and management code can then happen during BCon1 of Blender 3.1.

Cheers,
Bastien

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