Re: [Bf-committers] Open Invention Network
I'm sure that everyone has done this already but no one posted that here - If you google for OIN, you can find interesting things: http://www.itworld.com/open-source/117730/lawsuit-raises-questions-about-open-invention-network-linux-foundation In that article you can find this link: http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2010/08/oracle-sues-google-says-android.html On 27 October 2011 17:04, Kent Mein wrote: > In reply to Ton Roosendaal (t...@blender.org): > >> From: Ton Roosendaal >> To: bf-blender developers >> Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:13:28 +0200 >> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) >> Subject: [Bf-committers] Open Invention Network >> Reply-To: bf-blender developers >> >> Hi all, >> >> I've been contacted by this organization: >> http://www.openinventionnetwork.com >> >> With the request if Blender Foundation would join as a (free, no >> costs) member. It's mainly meant as public endorsement from us for them. >> >> I don't have much time time to investigate their position in free/open >> matters. Advice or crits therefore is welcome :) >> >> Thanks, >> >> -Ton- >> > > Reading through their website kind of gave me the impression why would we > want to join this? Seems like something we don't want to get into. > > Looking at the comments about it on slashdot > (http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/20/1642224/Linux-Patent-Protection-Network-Lures-Facebook-HP?utm_source%3Drss1.0%26utm_medium%3Dfeed) > I Really like the summary from this person, it's mid topic so it's a little > confusing but read on... :) > >> Re:Trust them as far as you can throw them (Score:5, Informative) >> by icebike (68054) on Wednesday April 20 2011, @02:09PM (#35883508) >> > And how do we know that they're not simply joining up to see what others >> > have there, to make it easier for them to win IP lawsuits? >> >> Most patent portfolios come with irrevocable commitments to allow any >> patent they submit to the portfolio to be used freely forever. >> This one apparently DOES NOT have such a commitment. >> >> From their Agreement: >> >> 1.1 Subject to Section 1.2(b), OIN, grants to You and Your Subsidiaries a >> royalty-free, worldwide, nonexclusive, non-transferable license under OIN >> Patents to make, have made, use, import, and Distribute any products or >> services. In addition to the foregoing and without limitation thereof, >> with respect only to the Linux System, the license granted herein >> includes the right to engage in activities that in the absence of this >> Agreement would constitute inducement to infringe or contributory >> infringement (or infringement under any other analogous legal doctrine >> in the applicable jurisdiction). >> >> Sounds all laudable and such, BUT: >> >> There are still some worrisome features of this organization, such as the >> fact that the FSF is NOT part of it, and they are really granting cross >> licensing only to other members. Further, they have built a pretty >> massive escape clause into their License Agreement >> [openinventionnetwork.com] in Section 2. >> >> A careful read of their cross license agreement suggest this could turn >> ugly after enough patents are in the system which also find their way into >> Linux. >> >> The FAQ is here: http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_faq.php >> The membership is here: http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/licensees.php >> [openinventionnetwork.com] (just about every Distro you ever heard of is >> represented). > > So I'd say if we consider we should ask the FSF their take on it... > Otherwise skip it. At this point I think it would make us more of a target > than we currently are. :) > > Kent > -- > m...@cs.umn.edu > http://www.cs.umn.edu/~mein > ___ > Bf-committers mailing list > Bf-committers@blender.org > http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers > ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Open Invention Network
In reply to Ton Roosendaal (t...@blender.org): > From: Ton Roosendaal > To: bf-blender developers > Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 11:13:28 +0200 > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.936) > Subject: [Bf-committers] Open Invention Network > Reply-To: bf-blender developers > > Hi all, > > I've been contacted by this organization: > http://www.openinventionnetwork.com > > With the request if Blender Foundation would join as a (free, no > costs) member. It's mainly meant as public endorsement from us for them. > > I don't have much time time to investigate their position in free/open > matters. Advice or crits therefore is welcome :) > > Thanks, > > -Ton- > Reading through their website kind of gave me the impression why would we want to join this? Seems like something we don't want to get into. Looking at the comments about it on slashdot (http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/04/20/1642224/Linux-Patent-Protection-Network-Lures-Facebook-HP?utm_source%3Drss1.0%26utm_medium%3Dfeed) I Really like the summary from this person, it's mid topic so it's a little confusing but read on... :) > Re:Trust them as far as you can throw them (Score:5, Informative) > by icebike (68054) on Wednesday April 20 2011, @02:09PM (#35883508) > > And how do we know that they're not simply joining up to see what others > > have there, to make it easier for them to win IP lawsuits? > > Most patent portfolios come with irrevocable commitments to allow any > patent they submit to the portfolio to be used freely forever. > This one apparently DOES NOT have such a commitment. > > From their Agreement: > > 1.1 Subject to Section 1.2(b), OIN, grants to You and Your Subsidiaries a > royalty-free, worldwide, nonexclusive, non-transferable license under OIN > Patents to make, have made, use, import, and Distribute any products or > services. In addition to the foregoing and without limitation thereof, > with respect only to the Linux System, the license granted herein > includes the right to engage in activities that in the absence of this > Agreement would constitute inducement to infringe or contributory > infringement (or infringement under any other analogous legal doctrine > in the applicable jurisdiction). > > Sounds all laudable and such, BUT: > > There are still some worrisome features of this organization, such as the > fact that the FSF is NOT part of it, and they are really granting cross > licensing only to other members. Further, they have built a pretty > massive escape clause into their License Agreement > [openinventionnetwork.com] in Section 2. > > A careful read of their cross license agreement suggest this could turn > ugly after enough patents are in the system which also find their way into > Linux. > > The FAQ is here: http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/about_faq.php > The membership is here: http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/licensees.php > [openinventionnetwork.com] (just about every Distro you ever heard of is > represented). So I'd say if we consider we should ask the FSF their take on it... Otherwise skip it. At this point I think it would make us more of a target than we currently are. :) Kent -- m...@cs.umn.edu http://www.cs.umn.edu/~mein ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
Re: [Bf-committers] Open Invention Network
"The neutrality of this post is disputed" and I agree. It has a clear marketing style. The language is tailored espacially for linux people and that makes me very suspicious. From a cursory glance I can't exactly make out what these guys want to do. "Acquiring patents" sounds strange to me plus the fact that there are a lot of industries inside makes me think what their motives would be. In the discussion page there are some claims that the organization has failed to do what it was supposed to do on occasion...What does an organization "aqcuiring patents" comprised of big industries want anyway(or what can they do with the patents in the future)? The point is, these people are not against patents, rather they are an agreed upon workaround for that. I am going to check their homepage too. ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Open Invention Network
Hi wikipedia has a good summary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Invention_Network Regards Sergey ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
[Bf-committers] Open Invention Network
Hi all, I've been contacted by this organization: http://www.openinventionnetwork.com With the request if Blender Foundation would join as a (free, no costs) member. It's mainly meant as public endorsement from us for them. I don't have much time time to investigate their position in free/open matters. Advice or crits therefore is welcome :) Thanks, -Ton- Ton Roosendaal Blender Foundation t...@blender.orgwww.blender.org Blender Institute Entrepotdok 57A 1018AD Amsterdam The Netherlands ___ Bf-committers mailing list Bf-committers@blender.org http://lists.blender.org/mailman/listinfo/bf-committers
