Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Sybren A . Stüvel]

On 07-03-18 20:44, Knapp wrote:
> It should be easy to find and clearly state what is going on and what is
> expected of the user.
> None of this is really the case right now.
> I know that people often don't read the fine print but these things could
> me made bold and clear. [...]
>
> So, someone needs to write what stage 2.8 is at and give the appropriate
> warning and instruction for bug testers at this stage.

Sounds good. Why not make a mock-up of a web page that shows your
design? It's easy to point out what's wrong. If you can help our web
devs (read: Pablo) by showing instead of describing your design, I'm
sure he'd be happy to look.

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Ray Molenkamp]

There is such a text on the nightly builds download page, it tells people 
downloading
builds NOT to file bugs on 2.8, people file anyway, which puts extra load on 
the people triaging
the tracker. Giving 2.8 more exposure at this point in time will just further 
increase that load.

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On 3/7/2018 12:44 PM, Knapp wrote:
> So, someone needs to write what stage 2.8 is at and give the appropriate
> warning and instruction for bug testers at this stage.
>

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Knapp]

>
> Making 2.8 test builds harder to find is, I think, also a little bit
> intentional. People don't read. They don't see that 2.8 is not released
> yet, they just follow the Eevee hype and then are stumped when things
> aren't stable.
>
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>

I think that is bad policy.
It should be easy to find and clearly state what is going on and what is
expected of the user.
None of this is really the case right now.
I know that people often don't read the fine print but these things could
me made bold and clear.

Basically at this point it goes more like this.
See cool Eevee demo! Google download 2.8
You find this text.
Go Experimental

Blender evolves every day. Experimental builds have the latest features and
while there might be cool bug fixes too, they are unstable and can mess up
your files.

These builds use the latest snippets of magic code developers write. Give
the upcoming Blender 2.8x a try! Although it is absolutely *not recommended*
 for use on production environments.

With great power comes great responsibility.

There is NOTHING here that says, do not submit bug reports. Or this is at
this stage massively broken (and it is, as I am finding out today that I
can't even add materials to all my objects. BTW I expect this but then I
read this email everyday).

It could be much better.

So, someone needs to write what stage 2.8 is at and give the appropriate
warning and instruction for bug testers at this stage.

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Sybren A . Stüvel]

On 07-03-18 00:08, Ricardo Nunes wrote:
> in my opinion the download page is fine it is two flicks of scroll
> wheel to get to the huge red "experimental section"
> But if something had to be improved I guess the "Full featured, Free and
> Open source, Be part of it" and 2.79/Agent could be narrower equating in
> less scrolling.
> But at the moment I don't think it is worth the time to fix the graphics
> and website code when that time could be used in 2.8

Making 2.8 test builds harder to find is, I think, also a little bit
intentional. People don't read. They don't see that 2.8 is not released
yet, they just follow the Eevee hype and then are stumped when things
aren't stable.

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Knapp]

On Wed, Mar 7, 2018 at 12:08 AM, Ricardo Nunes <3rto...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Lolz I was wondering for a moment did someone mistake this for Krita
> mailing list because of 4.0
> But yeah in my opinion the download page is fine it is two flicks of scroll
> wheel to get to the huge red "experimental section"
> But if something had to be improved I guess the "Full featured, Free and
> Open source, Be part of it" and 2.79/Agent could be narrower equating in
> less scrolling.
> But at the moment I don't think it is worth the time to fix the graphics
> and website code when that time could be used in 2.8
>

Certainly it is not a good idea to pull a C programmer into doing web work
but don't we have someone that just does HTML and web stuff?

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Ricardo Nunes]

Lolz I was wondering for a moment did someone mistake this for Krita
mailing list because of 4.0
But yeah in my opinion the download page is fine it is two flicks of scroll
wheel to get to the huge red "experimental section"
But if something had to be improved I guess the "Full featured, Free and
Open source, Be part of it" and 2.79/Agent could be narrower equating in
less scrolling.
But at the moment I don't think it is worth the time to fix the graphics
and website code when that time could be used in 2.8


2018-03-06 21:26 GMT+02:00 Knapp :

> On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Ray Molenkamp  wrote:
>
> > 4.0? You mean 2.8? On the download page scroll down to 'experimental' and
> > it should take you to the right place.
> >
>
> LOL, I work with Krita as well. They are working on 4.0
> This new version of Krita is also groundbreaking!
> Yes, I mean 2.8.
>
> You are of course correct and I completely missed it. That said, I wonder
> how many others are missing it? Maybe is should have more "shelf space?"
>
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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Knapp]

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 5:01 PM, Ray Molenkamp  wrote:

> 4.0? You mean 2.8? On the download page scroll down to 'experimental' and
> it should take you to the right place.
>

LOL, I work with Krita as well. They are working on 4.0
This new version of Krita is also groundbreaking!
Yes, I mean 2.8.

You are of course correct and I completely missed it. That said, I wonder
how many others are missing it? Maybe is should have more "shelf space?"

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Ray Molenkamp]

4.0? You mean 2.8? On the download page scroll down to 'experimental' and it 
should take you to the right place.

--Ray


On 3/6/2018 7:58 AM, Knapp wrote:
> Hello all!
> I was trying to install 4.0 but what I have found is that it is really hard
> to find it so that I can install it and test it. Having been involved with
> Blender for over 15 years I could solve this problem but how many new
> testers are being blocked by the hurdles that you must overcome to find the
> test version?
>
> IMOHO when you click on the home page-> Downloads
> then there should be a button that says install unstable test version or at
> least a link to a page explaining about how to do it. Would not hurt if
> that page also had a bit about how to find bugs and how to submit a good
> bug report.
>
> Thanks!

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Re: [Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[John Roper]

Hi Knapp,

You can find the latest unstable builds on the Blender buildbot site:
https://builder.blender.org/download

On the official download page at https://www.blender.org/download/
there is a link for experimental builds.

On Tue, Mar 6, 2018 at 9:58 AM, Knapp  wrote:
> Hello all!
> I was trying to install 4.0 but what I have found is that it is really hard
> to find it so that I can install it and test it. Having been involved with
> Blender for over 15 years I could solve this problem but how many new
> testers are being blocked by the hurdles that you must overcome to find the
> test version?
>
> IMOHO when you click on the home page-> Downloads
> then there should be a button that says install unstable test version or at
> least a link to a page explaining about how to do it. Would not hurt if
> that page also had a bit about how to find bugs and how to submit a good
> bug report.
>
> Thanks!
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[Bf-committers] Downloading 4.0

[Knapp]

Hello all!
I was trying to install 4.0 but what I have found is that it is really hard
to find it so that I can install it and test it. Having been involved with
Blender for over 15 years I could solve this problem but how many new
testers are being blocked by the hurdles that you must overcome to find the
test version?

IMOHO when you click on the home page-> Downloads
then there should be a button that says install unstable test version or at
least a link to a page explaining about how to do it. Would not hurt if
that page also had a bit about how to find bugs and how to submit a good
bug report.

Thanks!
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